Who will win American Idol V?
Who will win American Idol V?
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Libs
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Taylor.
But it's not as if Katharine has a 0% chance, either.
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Thu May 18, 2006 2:59 pm |
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KC
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Mr. X wrote: KC wrote: I can't believe this question is even being asked. Taylor hands down. He has been the top vote getter according to dial idol, which has been about 99.99% accurate this season and with his devoted fanbase knowing that he only got about 200,000 or so more votes than Katharine in last weeks show they will easily put him through by at least 500,000 votes next week. Again, no one said that Katharine had fewer votes this week than Taylor. If you're going by DialIdol, you might be wrong. Could be right, obviously. But, could be wrong. And let's not forget the week where Chris and Katharine were the top 2. Sure, Chris is gone. But Taylor isn't the obvious winner. AND... just to add more to my case, there are 16 million Elliott votes that will go elsewhere. I'm sure Kat's fans will say that more will go for her, and Taylor's fans will say that more will go for him. We shall see next Wednesday.
Dial Idol has been spot on accurate predicting who is getting the boot almost every week and the one week where Chris and Katharine were the top vote getters were after Chris was in the bottom two. After that week, Taylor's fanbase knew he wasn't the top vote getter and his fans responded by clearly making him the top vote getter according to Dial Idol with a 6 point advantage over the nearest person. It will happen again this week, not that finale is enough to get his fanbase out, but also his fans know that it was close between him and Katharine this week and they will respond accordingly.
Katharine has been in the bottom two two or three times and has healthy vote increases the following weeks, like she did this week after being in the bottom two last week.
The closest finale ever was between Ruben and Clay (I still can't believe Clay lost) and I don't think this one will be that close.
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Thu May 18, 2006 3:03 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Taylor will win, but I want Katharine to win.
PEACE, Mike.
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Thu May 18, 2006 3:24 pm |
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MikeQ.
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KC wrote: Mr. X wrote: Again, no one said that Katharine had fewer votes this week than Taylor. If you're going by DialIdol, you might be wrong.
Could be right, obviously. But, could be wrong.
And let's not forget the week where Chris and Katharine were the top 2. Sure, Chris is gone. But Taylor isn't the obvious winner.
AND... just to add more to my case, there are 16 million Elliott votes that will go elsewhere. I'm sure Kat's fans will say that more will go for her, and Taylor's fans will say that more will go for him. We shall see next Wednesday. Dial Idol has been spot on accurate predicting who is getting the boot almost every week and the one week where Chris and Katharine were the top vote getters were after Chris was in the bottom two. After that week, Taylor's fanbase knew he wasn't the top vote getter and his fans responded by clearly making him the top vote getter according to Dial Idol with a 6 point advantage over the nearest person. It will happen again this week, not that finale is enough to get his fanbase out, but also his fans know that it was close between him and Katharine this week and they will respond accordingly. Katharine has been in the bottom two two or three times and has healthy vote increases the following weeks, like she did this week after being in the bottom two last week. The closest finale ever was between Ruben and Clay (I still can't believe Clay lost) and I don't think this one will be that close.
Well, the difference between Taylor and Katharine this week (when Elliott left) was only 214,200 votes (0.42%). That is quite small considering 51 million votes, and the difference between Clay and Rubben in the finale was 300,000 votes. So, if say all the votes allocated to Elliott in the final 3 were about evenly distributed between Katharine and Taylor, it would once again be very close.
We'll see. I find it very impressive that Katharine was so close to Taylor this week in votes, yet was trashed by the judges and seen as much worse than Taylor. If she can be that close to Taylor on that kind of night, I can only imagine how close it would be if she has a killer night. And all of this is assuming Taylor was indeed the highest percentage.
I still think Taylor will win. Just saying, though.
PEACE, Mike.
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Thu May 18, 2006 3:31 pm |
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Rod
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What the hell is so special about Taylor anyway???

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Thu May 18, 2006 3:33 pm |
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Dkmuto
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I'm getting more and more excited to see Taylor win just to see what the heck they're going to do with him.
But still, rooting for Katharine.
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Thu May 18, 2006 3:35 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Rod wrote: What the hell is so special about Taylor anyway??? 
I can't answer for everyone, but to me, not only is he very talented (ie, I very much like his voice), but he is completely unique. There has never been another AI contestant like him. He's a breath of fresh air for this sometimes stale competition that pumps out waayyyy too many church choir singers and teen pop princesses. To me Katharine McPhee is a dime a dozen, and we already have 100 singers like her on the pop charts. There aren't many Taylor Hicks's in the universe.
Not to mention he also seems very classy and down to Earth (something I don't see with McPhee), and he truly knows his music and knows who he is musically.
I think a better question is what is so special about Katharine? Because honestly, I can't think of anything special or unique about her, but could make a long list for Taylor!
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Thu May 18, 2006 3:39 pm |
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Rod
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TonyMontana wrote: Rod wrote: What the hell is so special about Taylor anyway???  I can't answer for everyone, but to me, not only is he very talented (ie, I very much like his voice), but he is completely unique. There has never been another AI contestant like him. He's a breath of fresh air for this sometimes stale competition that pumps out waayyyy too many church choir singers and teen pop princesses. To me Katharine McPhee is a dime a dozen, and we already have 100 singers like her on the pop charts. There aren't many Taylor Hicks's in the universe. Not to mention he also seems very classy and down to Earth (something I don't see with McPhee), and he truly knows his music and knows who he is musically. I think a better question is what is so special about Katharine? Because honestly, I can't think of anything special or unique about her, but could make a long list for Taylor!
did you also root for william hung? 
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Thu May 18, 2006 3:51 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Rod wrote: TonyMontana wrote: Rod wrote: What the hell is so special about Taylor anyway???  I can't answer for everyone, but to me, not only is he very talented (ie, I very much like his voice), but he is completely unique. There has never been another AI contestant like him. He's a breath of fresh air for this sometimes stale competition that pumps out waayyyy too many church choir singers and teen pop princesses. To me Katharine McPhee is a dime a dozen, and we already have 100 singers like her on the pop charts. There aren't many Taylor Hicks's in the universe. Not to mention he also seems very classy and down to Earth (something I don't see with McPhee), and he truly knows his music and knows who he is musically. I think a better question is what is so special about Katharine? Because honestly, I can't think of anything special or unique about her, but could make a long list for Taylor! did you also root for william hung? 
As I said above... Taylor is talented and unique.
So, I sufficiently answered your question Rod... quit dodging mine!  How is Katharine different from the hundreds of other pop princesses that we already have? How is she special or unique? Will she bring anything new at all to the musical landscape, or is she destined to be a 2nd rate Kelly Clarkson?
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Mister Ecks
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TonyMontana wrote: As I said above... Taylor is talented and unique. So, I sufficiently answered your question Rod... quit dodging mine!  How is Katharine different from the hundreds of other pop princesses that we already have? How is she special or unique? Will she bring anything new at all to the musical landscape, or is she destined to be a 2nd rate Kelly Clarkson?
How about a counterquestion? If Taylor didn't have grey hair, what would make him so appealing?
Nothing! His hair is the appeal, and that's it. He's no more talented than Katharine or many other Idol finalists this year. Unique? Not really. Just because he "dances" during his songs? When I'm listening to a CD, I'm not going to see him "dancing", nor will I see him sing with his gray hair. Stripped down to just the voice, he's just good. Katharine's voice is far better.
If you want to talk stage presence for, say, a live show after Idol, then both would put on a good show. Both can find their way around the stage, and both can sing a slow song from their heart, center stage.
If hair is Taylor's upper hand, then he's not any better than Katharine.
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Thu May 18, 2006 4:43 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Once again, you Kat fans dodge the question.
I could NOT care less about Taylor's hair. You haters are the ones focused on his hair. I have his CD, and I love it. I love his voice. Not only does he have the talent, but he is unique. Go ahead and name me ANY other Idol contestant like Taylor... you can't.
Again, I've answered several times over the question posed to me. Can any Kat fan give me a reason why Kat is special or unique???? Is it that she has the best voice on Idol ever? Is it her down home down to Earth nature?
Or is it you like her just because she has a couple boobs and/or that you hate Taylor?
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Thu May 18, 2006 4:49 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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TonyMontana wrote: Once again, you Kat fans dodge the question.
I could NOT care less about Taylor's hair. You haters are the ones focused on his hair. I have his CD, and I love it. I love his voice. Not only does he have the talent, but he is unique. Go ahead and name me ANY other Idol contestant like Taylor... you can't.
Again, I've answered several times over the question posed to me. Can any Kat fan give me a reason why Kat is special or unique???? Is it that she has the best voice on Idol ever? Is it her down home down to Earth nature?
Or is it you like her just because she has a couple boobs and/or that you hate Taylor?
I honestly believe she has the most talent on the show. I love her voice. If I'm looking for something special and unique, I am not watching American Idol. No offense to Taylor, but he's not the most original singer in the world. Is he the most original and unique singer on Idol? Sure. Is he more unique than Katharine? SURE! But, William Hung is also more unique than Katharine.
But, I'm judging on talent. Katharine wins that hands-down. I really don't care if she's just one in a million. I like her, she's got talent.
Now... when the Top 24 was revealed, and they all sang, there were two singers that I liked, and only two. These two have been the ONLY singers of this competition that I liked all along. The rest have been decent to bad. And those two that I enjoyed are singing in the finale next week and competing for American Idol. I can debate Katharine vs. Taylor until I am blue in the face (or red in the typing fingers?), but this finale is a complete success in my eyes, and I will honestly be happy if either wins.
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:00 pm |
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Chippy
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Katherine's voice is only good when she sings slower songs... she can't handle the fast songs, sure she can do good... but not great.
While Taylor sings every song great, and his type of songs AMAZING
Thus, Taylor wins... and Mr. X loses
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:20 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Mr. X wrote: TonyMontana wrote: Once again, you Kat fans dodge the question.
I could NOT care less about Taylor's hair. You haters are the ones focused on his hair. I have his CD, and I love it. I love his voice. Not only does he have the talent, but he is unique. Go ahead and name me ANY other Idol contestant like Taylor... you can't.
Again, I've answered several times over the question posed to me. Can any Kat fan give me a reason why Kat is special or unique???? Is it that she has the best voice on Idol ever? Is it her down home down to Earth nature?
Or is it you like her just because she has a couple boobs and/or that you hate Taylor? I honestly believe she has the most talent on the show. I love her voice. If I'm looking for something special and unique, I am not watching American Idol. No offense to Taylor, but he's not the most original singer in the world. Is he the most original and unique singer on Idol? Sure. Is he more unique than Katharine? SURE! But, William Hung is also more unique than Katharine. But, I'm judging on talent. Katharine wins that hands-down. I really don't care if she's just one in a million. I like her, she's got talent. Now... when the Top 24 was revealed, and they all sang, there were two singers that I liked, and only two. These two have been the ONLY singers of this competition that I liked all along. The rest have been decent to bad. And those two that I enjoyed are singing in the finale next week and competing for American Idol. I can debate Katharine vs. Taylor until I am blue in the face (or red in the typing fingers?), but this finale is a complete success in my eyes, and I will honestly be happy if either wins.
Well, this argument was brought up earlier in the show... essentially you are saying it is solely a singing competition and nothing else matters (as Simon said on one show). However, I would side 100% with Rod Stewart... it is not solely a singing competition. It is the entire package.
I'll agree that Katharine has a better technical singing voice, but I'm going to disagree with you if you're trying to say that Taylor has no voice and is only a comedy act (ie, William Hung). The fact is that Taylor is the only one of the two with the complete package. He has an excellent voice and is a tremendous personality... he really knows how to sell the song, and it's very obvious he is a seasoned performer.
And, while Kat may have a technically better singing voice, I would much rather listen to a Taylor CD. As I said before, I can hear better acts than Katharine that are already on CD, and my favorite singers do not simply have technically good vocals. Heck, Madonna is one of my favorite artists... does she have a great voice? Hell, no. Or, bands that I like, like Audioslave or System of a Down - neither are great vocal bands. Music is so much more than just having a technically great voice - even on a CD. I feel strongly that while Kat may be technically good, her CD would put me to sleep.
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TonyMontana
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Also, I'll add that I personally believe that Reuben Studdard had one of the best voices from a technical aspect than anybody else ever on Idol. How did his CD do?
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:27 pm |
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kypade
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You realize there's a full 33 more percent that need to move their vote elsewhere right?
Clearly, those 33 will be going to Taylor because he's a guy (and so was Elliot). So it will be a blowout, 67-33 percent, Taylor.
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:40 pm |
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Amer
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Taylor
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Mister Ecks
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kypade wrote: You realize there's a full 33 more percent that need to move their vote elsewhere right?
Clearly, those 33 will be going to Taylor because he's a guy (and so was Elliot). So it will be a blowout, 67-33 percent, Taylor.
I don't think that logic really holds up. Chris was a guy, and his votes didn't go to Taylor and Elliott, now did they?
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:53 pm |
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A. G.
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I think whether taylor wins will come down to one thing: how much the people outside his core base like him or not. Is he a love/hate type of guy? If so he's not going to win.
It doesn't matter all that much either, we know they will both get record contracts no matter what. It's just the winner has to be signed to a lousy deal.
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:55 pm |
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Eagle
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I actually think Elliots votes have a very good chance of swinging things in favor of Kat.
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kypade
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Mr. X wrote: kypade wrote: You realize there's a full 33 more percent that need to move their vote elsewhere right?
Clearly, those 33 will be going to Taylor because he's a guy (and so was Elliot). So it will be a blowout, 67-33 percent, Taylor. I don't think that logic really holds up. Chris was a guy, and his votes didn't go to Taylor and Elliott, now did they? Yes, they were split evenly. Before Chris, Katharine has the same 33 percent...the other 67 were split 22.5/22.5/22 each. When Chris lost with 22 percent, his 22 went 11 and 11 to the men. Or something very close to that scenario. So logically, Elliot's go to Taylor.
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Snrub
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I think Katherine's voice is too generic. And on top of that, she steps out of key on far too many an occasion.
Taylor's voice is distinctive and confident. Hence... winner! With any luck.
Also, for what it's worth, Elliot was a better singer than either of them.
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Thu May 18, 2006 7:17 pm |
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Who looks better naked?
nuff' said
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Thu May 18, 2006 7:34 pm |
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Rod
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TonyMontana wrote: Rod wrote: TonyMontana wrote: Rod wrote: What the hell is so special about Taylor anyway???  I can't answer for everyone, but to me, not only is he very talented (ie, I very much like his voice), but he is completely unique. There has never been another AI contestant like him. He's a breath of fresh air for this sometimes stale competition that pumps out waayyyy too many church choir singers and teen pop princesses. To me Katharine McPhee is a dime a dozen, and we already have 100 singers like her on the pop charts. There aren't many Taylor Hicks's in the universe. Not to mention he also seems very classy and down to Earth (something I don't see with McPhee), and he truly knows his music and knows who he is musically. I think a better question is what is so special about Katharine? Because honestly, I can't think of anything special or unique about her, but could make a long list for Taylor! did you also root for william hung?  As I said above... Taylor is talented and unique. So, I sufficiently answered your question Rod... quit dodging mine!  How is Katharine different from the hundreds of other pop princesses that we already have? How is she special or unique? Will she bring anything new at all to the musical landscape, or is she destined to be a 2nd rate Kelly Clarkson?
How am I supposed to kow...I haven't watched Idol in ages...

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Thu May 18, 2006 7:37 pm |
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Shack
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What makes you think Kat isn't unique? Her voice is just incredible, not only perfect technically, but also extremely smooth and beautiful. While Kelly belts out most of her songs nowadays with full body movements, as did Fantasia when she was on the show, Katharine looks like she's barely even trying. I don't know many other singers that can have that much voice come out, without any huge diaphragm expanding and without exerting any big force. It comes out so easily, so natural. Honestly, I think she has one of the best voices if not the absolute best voice that this show has ever seen. She actually has talent, she can go on to great things.
Plus, I do hate Taylor. He's an average singer, who has made it this far thanks to his dancing shtick and hair. His voice is nothing special, at all. Tony you may like it, but to me it sounds completley same-old same-old. His gimmick is one of a kind, how he sounds is not.
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