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MovieDude
Where will you be?
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:50 am Posts: 11675
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trixster wrote: MovieDude wrote: Harry Potter 3 was far more hurt by Shrek 2, which made 38 million in HP3's opening weekend, then it was by the summer. It's true that it doesn't have the benefit of Thanksgiving second weekend, but summer weekdays in July would easily make up for that. Though Shrek 3 is coming out next summer, too, so that doesn't help Phoenix. And the summer weekdays didn't do much for Azkaban. I think Phoenix has much more competition than Azkaban did. If it stays in the summer, it will not clear $230 million. Mark my words.
The thing is that Shrek 3 opens two months before, and that where HP3 opened three weeks before school totally got out, HP5 would be right in the middle of summer.
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Thu May 11, 2006 12:14 am |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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Phoenix is in a better position than Azkaban was, as Phoenix is faaaar from the competition of Shrek 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean 3. It's positioned itself in July, where it's the biggest film. I think it'll cross $250 million, but it's not guaranteed.
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:19 am |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Harry Potter's legs won't be very good, but its opening will be HUGE. It will live from the hype of the last book which will probably be released shortly before it or shortly after it. Moreover, the fourth film had very good WoM and decent legs for a 4th frontloaded film in the series. It also sold more DVDs than all other Harry Potter flicks. I could easily see it passing $110 million in the opning. The first Friday will be close to $45 million.
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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The competition will be there, just cause Summer 2007 is so crowded. In May, you have Spidey 3, Shrek 3, and Pirates 3, all which should be making at least $300 million. I expect one of them to move to July, probably Pirates 3. Then you've got all the smaller hits, like Evan Almighty, Fantastic Four 2, Transformers, and The Simpsons Movie. Those are all competition for Phoenix. It just doesn't fit in that summer. Whereas in the winter, there's nothing. Phoenix would do much better if it moved to November, away from all the competition, and where the HP films have done much better. There's no reason to keep it in the summer. None at all.
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:58 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15497 Location: Everywhere
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I think HP 5 is a lock for 300m. WOM was the best for the series so far, so it won't lose any fanbase. It can only go up.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:26 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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DP07 wrote: I think HP 5 is a lock for 300m. WOM was the best for the series so far, so it won't lose any fanbase. It can only go up.
I don't think so...
The summer competition will definitely hurt it. And if the next film isn't that good, it doesn't matter how good the WOM was on the last film. It won't make a difference.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:41 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40248
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HP5 as a book is also... hard to adapt. For a movie, Goblet of Fire's storyline is much more exciting and much more appealing to audiences. I don't think it'll clear 300 mil.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:43 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15497 Location: Everywhere
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trixster wrote: DP07 wrote: I think HP 5 is a lock for 300m. WOM was the best for the series so far, so it won't lose any fanbase. It can only go up. I don't think so... The summer competition will definitely hurt it. And if the next film isn't that good, it doesn't matter how good the WOM was on the last film. It won't make a difference.
It will be so frontloaded that WOM won't really matter. For this type of franchise I think it primarily affects the next film. Well, for most franchises actually.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:49 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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Shack wrote: HP5 as a book is also... hard to adapt. For a movie, Goblet of Fire's storyline is much more exciting and much more appealing to audiences. I don't think it'll clear 300 mil.
People were using the storyline as the reason Azkaban would reach 300m. Just as that wasn't a positive, I don't think this will be a negative.
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Thu May 11, 2006 2:50 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Phoenix will be so frontloaded that it will have to open to like $130 million to clear $300 million. You think it will open that high?
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Thu May 11, 2006 4:00 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15497 Location: Everywhere
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trixster wrote: Phoenix will be so frontloaded that it will have to open to like $130 million to clear $300 million. You think it will open that high?
Weekdays in July will be too high for the multiplier to be that low (2.3). Still, I think it can open with 120m.
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Thu May 11, 2006 4:04 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48677 Location: Arlington, VA
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Clerks II has been moved up a month from August 18 to July 21.
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:36 pm |
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Outatime
Veteran
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:00 pm Posts: 3413 Location: South Florida
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Libs wrote: Clerks II has been moved up a month from August 18 to July 21.

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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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HP5 won't clear $300 million, too much frontloadness, due to the hype around the book. Even a $120 million opening won't guarantee it $300 million.
The final Harry Potter film, however, will clear $300 million.
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 4:28 pm Posts: 20411
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Movie Title Dist. New Date Old Date
Little Miss Sunshine Fox Searchlight 7/26/06 7/28/06
Because I Said So Universal 2/2/07 New
The Last Legion (a.k.a. Enchanted Sword) MGM 1/19/07 1/26/07
Clerks II: The Passion of the Clerks MGM 7/21/06 8/18/06
Stormbreaker MGM 10/6/06 9/1/06
Balls of Fury Rogue Pictures 1/26/07 New
The Ground Truth Focus Features 9/15/06 New
Are We Done Yet? Sony / Revolution 4/6/07 1/12/07
Across the Universe (a.k.a. Untitled Julie Taymor) Sony 2007 11/3/06
Next Sony 9/28/07 2007
Brothers Solomon Sony 4/20/07 New
Premonition Sony 3/9/07 New
Steppin' Sony / Screen Gems 1/12/07 New
Running with Scissors Sony 10/20/06 10/27/06
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15497 Location: Everywhere
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getluv wrote: Next Sony 9/28/07 2007
Surprising date for such a high profile movie, but well, there isn't any room in the summer.
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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Fantastic Four 2 moves to June 15, and Used Guys is now looking for a release date.
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Excel
Superfreak
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22182 Location: Places
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ff2=new cradle of life.
itll be an instant bomb.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23250 Location: Melbourne Australia
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I think that move actually saves FF4. It would have been hurt by Transformers and Potter a week later in its original spot.
This way it comes a week after a weak weekend (0ceans 13 wont be that big), three weeks after Pirates and a week before another weak weekend (The Brave and Stardust).
This is also great for Transformers!! This will be MEGA huge!
Though I agree Magnus - 2008 would be better for FF4. With a good director it could be really something.
As for Used Guys - a shame - i thought it would have been BIG in June. If it came out a week after FF4 - it still could make alot of $$. However, a December release date probably is best for it.
I think Evan Almighty should move up a week to the week after FF4. That spreads FF4, Ratatouillie, Evan and Transformers apart.
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Tue May 16, 2006 7:57 am |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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No surprise, either Transformers or FF4 were bound to move, and the weaker one blinked first.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23250 Location: Melbourne Australia
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This is summer 07 as it stands now. Ive replaced the dates with Week Numbers...(the films on Weeks 9 and 10 are only 5 days apart). So far there are only 3 empty slots. I still think films like Star Dust and The Brave One should counter the big May blockbusters.
1 Spiderman 2
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3 Shrek the Third
4 Pirates of the Carribean
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6 Ocean's 13
Surf's Up
7 Fantastic Four 2
8 The Brave One
Stardust
9 Evan Almighty
Ratatouillie
10 Transformers
11 Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix
12 I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry
Journey 3D
13 10,000 BC
The Simpsons Movie
14 The Bourne Ultimatum
Underdog
15 Alien Vs Prediter
Rush Hour 3
Nancy Drew
16 Knocked Up
Disturbia
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Bench: Used Guys, I am Legend
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Kris K
Horror Hound
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:44 pm Posts: 6228
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Summer 2007 is going to be massive.
Alien Vs Predator....yuck.
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Tue May 16, 2006 11:59 am |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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I need to start saving for Summer 2007 now lest I go bankrupt.
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Tue May 16, 2006 12:07 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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Prince Caspian is officially pushed back to Summer 2008.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23250 Location: Melbourne Australia
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hhmmm - that really opens up December. That was going to be the highlight. Maybe Pirates of the Carribean 3 would be better off in that December spot - thus freeing up the summer a bit.
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