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 United 93 RT Tracking: 93% (114 Fresh, 9 rotten, COTC 97%) 
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Yeah I heard, Allah heard their cries for help and sent 5 parachutes to them before the plane was about to head off to WTC


http://whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_9-11_index.html


Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:16 pm
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All you guys really should meet my father, who is the most cynical man I know. He doubts everything and is paranoid about everything because of it.

Anyhoo, as Libs said, an update:

94% Overall. 16 reviews total: 15 fresh, 1 rotten. 100% COTC.

7.8/10 Average Rating; COTC Average Rating: 8.0/10

Another 4 out of 4 star review, this time from Newsday.

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makeshift wrote:
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They slammed Shopgirl too :)

And Cronenberg's Crash was C.R.A.P.


You can't expect to agree with a certain critic or website every time out. I'm sure there are a lot of films out there that I liked that they didn't, and vice versa. For the most part, though, they seem to have an interesting take on nearly every film they review, and I agree with them a lot.


That's not the point. The problem with Slant is that they seem to purposely trash the critically-praised films. Last year, except for Crash, they pretty much gave every major oscar contenders that had an over 70% RT rating a rotten review. Two years ago, they were the first critic to give Sideways and MDB a negative review. Of course, there are other folks out there who didn't like either too, but statistically speaking, I bet you won't find another critic who goes against the opinion of the sample group that they belong to at this type of frequency. The mathmatical possibility is really minimal.

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35.4% 1's at IMDb? That's just pathetic regardless how one thinks the movie should've been made or not.

...and 37% 10's - so what? Polarization is nothing new in a 10-point rating scale, especially for a political movie like this...


Maybe you can kindly provide another example from IMDb with this kind of extreme?

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Didn't Slant slam Brokeback Mountain and call it a piece of crap or something akin to that when the Oscar buzz was beginning to swirl around it?

It's almost as if they just go against the grain to try to distinguish themselves. Obviously, they're entitled to opinions, but they seem to go too far not for the sake of actually disliking a movie, but to try to get attention.


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MikeQ. wrote:
All you guys really should meet my father, who is the most cynical man I know. He doubts everything and is paranoid about everything because of it.

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Sigh I was hoping this movie would suck so I could avoid seeing it. Can it please at least fall off the radar (no pun intended) in Oscar season?? If it pops up in the major races I will feel obligated to catch it.

I know, I know, I'm whining about having to sit through a potentially great film, but I really have no interest whatsoever. If anything I have anti-interest in this movie, if such a thing exists. I've gotten over the whole "too soon" business, but watching what may/may not have happened to these people isn't really something I have any desire to see. Same with that Jesus movie (no not Narnia).


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makeshift wrote:
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They slammed Shopgirl too :)

And Cronenberg's Crash was C.R.A.P.



And no, Cronenberg's Crash is A.M.A.Z.I.N.G.


How can you honestly think that? I mean, it was better then 05's Crash... but.... that doesn't say much....

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xiayun wrote:
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35.4% 1's at IMDb? That's just pathetic regardless how one thinks the movie should've been made or not.

...and 37% 10's - so what? Polarization is nothing new in a 10-point rating scale, especially for a political movie like this...


Maybe you can kindly provide another example from IMDb with this kind of extreme?

Passion of the Christ and Fahrenheit 9/11 both have 10%+ of user ratings of 1's - and around 40% 10's - I would say this is directly comparable to how United 93 will settle out, once "users" have actually seen the movie and provide some statistical significance.

A 10-point scale with 50%+ on just two of the point ratings (1 & 10) is polarized...


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We don't know yet if it's going to drop to 10% eventually, and my comment was regarding to the current number distribution. Oh well. Anyway, I certainly don't agree with the comment that "A 10-point scale with 50%+ on just two of the point ratings (1 & 10) is polarized" because a lot of movies in IMDb's top 250 as well as bottom 100 fit that description and would most definitely not be considered polarizing films.

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FYI everyone. Those bootleg vendors are on the ball. Saw DVD sales on the street this morning for Flight 93 already. Its like they got copies of these movies months ago, somehow, I swear. :wacko:


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FYI everyone. Those bootleg vendors are on the ball. Saw DVD sales on the street this morning for Flight 93 already. Its like they got copies of these movies months ago, somehow, I swear. :wacko:


I know!! I didn't think it was that bad (the bootlegging). When I visited New York a while ago, I saw the same thing for other movies that hadn't even opened yet. It blew my mind. There were ALL kinds, right on the street. It was just so weird to see that, coming from where I live.

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MikeQ. wrote:

I know!! I didn't think it was that bad (the bootlegging). When I visited New York a while ago, I saw the same thing for other movies that hadn't even opened yet. It blew my mind. There were ALL kinds, right on the street. It was just so weird to see that, coming from where I live.

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Well, other big movies tend to have advanced screenings, etc. This movie was really under blankets until, like, two days ago. And The fact its still titled Flight rather than United means you just know some underpaid second assistant to the editing lackey is getting copies of everything possible to make a few extra bucks, and get back at his evil bosses.


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dolcevita wrote:
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I know!! I didn't think it was that bad (the bootlegging). When I visited New York a while ago, I saw the same thing for other movies that hadn't even opened yet. It blew my mind. There were ALL kinds, right on the street. It was just so weird to see that, coming from where I live.

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Well, other big movies tend to have advanced screenings, etc. This movie was really under blankets until, like, two days ago. And The fact its still titled Flight rather than United means you just know some underpaid second assistant to the editing lackey is getting copies of everything possible to make a few extra bucks, and get back at his evil bosses.


Yeah, I distinctly remember seeing Inside Man on the street (this was a few weeks before it was opening), since it was a film I was really looking forward to. I thought I was imagining things. It really added to the whole surreal-ness of New York. Anyways, it's funny how they are all over US (the general public) for bootlegging, but it's the people who are part of the movie business that are doing a large part of it, I bet.

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Harry's review is up and it's pretty much what he told me last week.

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=23124


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Salon comes in with another negative review.

Don't *they* also hate everything?


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Libs wrote:
Salon comes in with another negative review.

Don't *they* also hate everything?


So can we now assume that every negative review that comes out for this film will be from someone that "hates everything"?


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I'm fine with Salon's negative review, or any other potential negative review, because I don't think they're a joke like Slant is.

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i kinda had a feeling that critics were going to like this, but the main question is: is it a possible contender for next years Academy Awards???

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In regards to Oscar chances, I reaaaally doubt it. Then again, the Academy went for Crash... But realistically, I don't see this film being an Oscar film at all. Could be wrong, but I just don't feel it.

Anyhow, there was just another 4 out of 4 star review added from USA Today. There was also an "A" review added from About.com.

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makeshift wrote:
Libs wrote:
Salon comes in with another negative review.

Don't *they* also hate everything?


So can we now assume that every negative review that comes out for this film will be from someone that "hates everything"?

Libs is taking a big hit on her review cred over this film before she's even seen it...


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James' 4 out of 4 star review:

United 93 is a masterful motion picture. Its impact stays with the viewer; its images are hard to shake. In the years since 9/11, much of what happened that day has become ingrained in our culture. We have absorbed it. United 93 picks the scab and brings back the freshness of the wound. But the passage of time allows us to see the events of this film in a larger context. I do not use the phrase "must see" lightly (and there are those for whom this film may be too painful). Seeing United 93 represents a difficult film-going experience, and one that should not be undertaken lightly. It's hard to imagine anyone not being affected on some level by United 93. But the value of what this picture imparts is worth the challenge of sitting through it. When I compile my Top 10 list of films for 2006, United 93 will be on it, and almost certainly close to the top.

James Berardinelli's Full Review *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

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The other part is that I don't believe the events depicted in the film are at all accurate. .


I am assuming you are talking about how it was shot down by jet fighters?

Didnt they release the voice cockpit recordings, and in the recordings you could hear the 'attack' by the passengers? And also noted to by the many phone calls that a attack was happening?

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loyalfromlondon wrote:
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Yeah I heard, Allah heard their cries for help and sent 5 parachutes to them before the plane was about to head off to WTC


http://whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_9-11_index.html

All that link shows is that there are some other people in the country and the middle east with the same name. No surprise there.

The second link under the U93 category on that site actually goes a long way towards making this film look legitimate, by printing 9/11 CNN broadcast snippets from family members talking about how the people on board were going to attack the hijackers.

Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California, was a senior vice president and chief operating officer of Thoratec Corp., a medical research and development company, and the father of three. He made four calls to his wife, Deena, from the plane. Deena Burnett said that her husband told her that one passenger had been stabbed and that "a group of us are going to do something." He also told her that the people on board knew about the attack on the World Trade Center, apparently through other phone calls.

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He left the phone for a while, returning to say, "The men voted to attack the terrorists," Makely said.

And that's from a skeptical site.


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Libs wrote:
Salon comes in with another negative review.

Don't *they* also hate everything?


Actually, Salon gave it a 3 1/2 stars out of 5...and metacritic has it at 80..

so not really sure that should be in negative category..

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