Nice catch Mav! Only Vendetta failed to have the humour Caddyshack did in invoking the scene. Gawd I love Caddyshack! Forgive my terrible memory, but aren't they both sourced in the ending of some silent film? Was it Battleship Potemkin?

The brothers traded one tagline by the government for another tagline by some random guy. They render the situation as being about the brainwashed masses all of a sudden becoming more information and media savvy...yet its still fireworks and a oneliner cheer (about "the people") none-the-less. The brothers see this as "fighting oppression (tm), but I just see it as more lapping up of "for the people" cheers that prove the population is only on V's side until the next guy comes along with some fireworks and silly slogans.

What's more painful is that this was not the point the Wachy boys intended to make. I highly doubt their minds grasp such nuance and abstraction. They just wanted another "Viva la Revolution" picture..sanitized by making the leader so obvious and rigid (what was that flag waving and marching troops? Did I see a Heil Hitler snuck in there?) and the environment so futuristic that it would still get audiences to lap it up without resonating in our present lives. "We" would never get to "that" level. It is so 1930's, "we" know better now. That had to be the easiest reading of "oppressive government" I've seen in ages, and the brothers do nothing to try and create a more complex system of control and "social agenda" that leads to such men getting elected. And historically, they were elected officials, just as V became the elected advocate for "the people" when they dawned his mask and motto. The producers, director, and crew just don't get it. They name-drop history and political sci-fi literature so we think they get it, but in reality, they ...just...don't...get...it.

Dumb Movie.

-Uhhh the Wackyboys didnt direct it
-The movie is based on a Comicbook. Sure its a serious Comicbook but then its a Comic and some cheeseiness in the message is the normal thing in that genre.....

Sure it would have been better I guess when they did go with a Batman Begins approach...but well.

And when people are supressed they are always for the new guy with the fireworks and silly slogans.(well mostly) Not so wrong here.

They produced it, and the guy who directed it worked for them for the Matrix ones. Clearly this is their vision, and they hired someone who already came from their school of thought and technical style. Its pretty much there's, imo. But your point is taken.


The guy who wrote those comic books already diwowned the project. Furthermore, plenty of movie are adapted from books and comics, that doesn't give them the freebie in my book. Nor does the fact that this is a "main stream" movie, which I've noticed some people here have used as an excuse for its poor handling of serious subject matter.



Yeah, but their Chancellor was the guy with the fireworks and silly slogans, and that cycle is not something the cast and crew handled well at all. I'd venture to say they didn't even think of it. They just wanted to make yet another movie that looked really "cool" and was so "deep" and "profound."

Rage Against The Machine, yo.

Holy shit! Speaking of Caddyshack, it's on VH1 right now, so if anybody has VH1 and has seen V for Vendetta and wants to see the ending I was talking about that V for Vendetta directly lifted from Caddyshack (with the exact same music), tune in.

Dolce, that's actually the first I've heard of that ending being in a silent film, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Don't quote me on it....I might be misremembering...

dolce, makeshift and da torri didn't like it.

Best Picture '06.

Stirring, visually breathtaking and immensely thought-provoking. It's just so nice to see a film that encourages you to think once in a while. Hugo Weaving and Natalie Portman are fine, although Portman isn't given many opportunities to show off her range. Not many movies are able to combine action and relevant political allegories, but V for Vendetta sure does. The best movie of the year so far. A-

wait a minute. alan moore disowned it?

Yeah.

Quite awhile ago, actually. When it was still in production, I think.

oh .. i never knew.

is that a sign that DC may never get the chance to adapt watchmen with his blessings?

Has anyone here seen it on an IMAX screen? I was wondering if it's worth it seeing it on that, or if I should just stick with the regular.

In other words, it's a B+ in about 3 weeks.

Thought it ranged from a very good to fucking brilliant movie.

Sorry to the few haters for this movie but glad that most everywhere this is coming up very well-liked, in KJ poll, on RT, on IMDB etc.

Not sure why some said that this movie was confusing - think if one paid attention closely - all was explained.

or to those who complained about the lack of action in the middle - the middle stories - were done very well - and I think raised the movie above straight action fair.

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Also in addition to the above noted political, I really loved lots of the 1 liners / quotes in this movie - maybe later will try to comply some of them.

Giving a movies an F for whatever reason is not a crime(i dont believe in ratings) and what does that have to do with being a christian? like you being a sissy?

Anyway,i saw the film yesterday,i thought it was actually pretty good,i have a question,what exactly happened to the states,was it bird flu plague or were they attacked with chemicle weapons? i didnt understand that part well.

I would give the film ***1/2,on par with sin city and hellboy and a notch below supes 1 and 2,spiderman 2 and the x-men movies.

You're a typical hypocritical "Christian". You're insulting, judgemental, and quite annoying. You lack integrity, and completely lack respect for others. You also lack honesty, which is something you have in common with Christian scum. These polls should only be voted in by people who have moral integrity. If you can't see that it's WRONG and completely idiotic to go through this forum voting F for all the films like you do, I guess you haven't been taught anything by Jesus Christ, your Lord and savior.

But I'm sure you're going to heaven anyway...

I don't think it was confusing at all, but I also don't think it was any sort of important political commentary. It was standard vigilante fare, not important social messages or anything that people are trying to make it out to be. It's no different than how Robin Hood stealing from the rich and giving to the poor was social commentary on the ends justifying the means.

This isn't exactly the first film that depicted pissed off oppressed people taking the fight to the ones who are oppressing them, but you'd never know that by the "importance" people are trying to give this very standard and conventional retelling of this story.

Its a testament to how intelligent the people on these boards actually are that they are trying to add meat to the skeletal picture. I love what all of you guys have been talking about as far as terrorism vs. revolutionary, media vs anthem, sexual ambiguity, and complicated narrative voice. You bring alot to the movie which wasn't actually there!

Keep talking about it, its interesting, but if you want to see an interesting challenge to government investment in social "welfare" check out Thank You for Smoking. If you want to see a grande finale that harkens back to an Eminem music video, watch V for Vendetta.

I feel like I've already given this movie too much attention for what it actually was.

You make me feel bad for likeing the film

Watchmen will happen someday... he's already sold the rights to it I think.

With his blessings? I dunno.

I don't know if Moore knows how to give his blessing. He's a surly bastard.

(and spooky looking)



He has refused to work for Marvel for YEARS over some petty and trivial reason concerning a Captain Britain story that he wrote. I can't remember the exact details, but it's really stupid, so I don't know what blessing he would give. I don't think he owns the rights, though, I believe that The watchman is a DC property, and they controll the rights.

I'd love to see a Watchman movie! Money talks, and there is money to be made there, so I expect a film within the next 5 years, actually.

Wow mav,just chill out before you have a heart attack ok?
Repeat after me:
Its only a movie
Its only a movie
Its only a movie

Source

Thanks, Ripper.

Knowing Hollywood's penchant for changing things from the source material, I can't see Moore ever being a forgiving person who gives his blessing. He'd have to find somebody as dedicated to following the source material to the letter like Rodriguez did with Frank Miller's Sin City, and he'd probably still bitch because they weren't letting him co-direct like Miller got to.

Awww, don't be. Either you agree with the criticism and are revisiting how you felt, which is normal, or you don't agree with the criticism, and enjoyed the movie. Now, there have been millions of times people have thrown disdain at a movie I liked, and when I didn't agree with their criticism, I kept right on liking it. When I did, props for having good observations. My estimations of Motorcycle Diaries went down alot after andaroo said some insightful comments about it. And those only affected me because I was already hesitant about certain passages of the movie (waving lepers, ugh). I think DKmuto just posted about this in regards to Crash too. And also, there have been times I didn't like a movie as much, and someone really loved it and brought up points I overlooked, and then I liked it even more too. That happened for me after watching Cache, actually.

Did you think any of the points I made have changed your experience? If not, keep on loving it with the other 90% that did. If so, I think that's good. I think it means people are open to revisiting their experiences and being more analytical sometimes.

Wear your like or dislike for a movie with pride BJ. Geesh, I'm pretty sure every person and their mother has already told me I'm esoteric, out of touch, boring, dry, useless, rain on the cinema parade, and am better left ignored, and I still sit here in the corner hugging my Fellini and Jarmusch films with joy.

I'd rather set the bar high in the hopes that the median film will at least be mediocre, rather than setting the bar at mediocrity and then being dumb-founded by where the median movie lands. Or at least...thats what I tell myself!