The ending is good, I dont think it will turn people off like reloadeds ending.

reloaded turned people cause notonlydidthey not wanna go seeit a second time cause of it,it made em not wanna go to see reveultions.


ithink will be a mix. the ending wonthelp itsrepeated viewing which will limit its multiplier, but i bellieve tons will wannasee what happens to him in 3.

but can Pirates have a bigger opening 3-day weekend than Superman, that is the question.

Pirates will win overall... but the 3-day opening weekend?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

easily.

I think the cliffhanger for PotC2 is BRILLIANT, and it is NOT going to affect it's repeated viewings. In fact, it'll probably increase the repeated viewings amongst the fandom. I know that so far, the fandom is quite abuzz about the spoilers and everyone's planning on trying to BEAT their viewing records of the first film! And then there's the additional people who didn't get to see the first film in the theater who are also pledging to see the sequel multiple times... So there will actually be more people doing repeated viewings of this film than there were for the first film....... So, that right there tells you about the sequel's legs (aka HUGE).

And opening weekend? Well, I've got fellow Depp fans who are planning on seeing every opening day showing of The Libertine next week.... Multiply that by thousands of Depp, Bloom, Knightley, PotC, etc. fans who plan on seeing the movie multiple times opening weekend, and there's your answer:

PotC2 is going to BLOW away the "competition" (there really isn't any) on opening weekend and in subsequent weeks thereafter.

Joy

it could.

it just didnt work out for the othr 2 films like this, back tothe future 2 and matrix reloaded.

The cliffhanger in The Matrix 2 isn't what hurt the film so badly, it was all of the stuff BEFORE the cliffhanger (ie the film itself), which was unappealing to me, as well as clearly the main moviegoing audience. The ending isn't what caused The Matrix 3 to drop 50% from The Matrix 2.

You didnt include the LOTR movies at all that had cliffhangers

Actually yeah I kind've like that ending.

Only problem for me is that...

[spoil]Davey Jones will be the bad guy in part 3 as well. I would've liked someone new, to give each edition some better identity.[/spoil]

theres also chow young fats (dunno how to spell it) character.

Indeed, perhaps they will be able to make him interesting again in Pirates 3

I don't think the cliffhanger is going to really affect PotC2 at all. This franchise is really, really starting to mirror Back to the Future for me. You've got the fun first film and now the sequel that tries to imitate what the first flick did while bringing a darker tone to the proceedings. Considering POTC2/BTTF2 have the exact same cliffhanger, I think they're pretty comparable in terms of performance.

In that sense, I think Dead Man's Chest is going to follow BTTF2's box office pattern as well. Bigger opening, less total gross.

108/290

And Tina, I don't think your POTC fandom cult is quite as large as you think it is. Don't let yourself get Serenity'd.

Movies don't do well peddling to fanbases, they do well by being able to appease the fans and bring in the general audience, but the power is the general audience's.

That's what Star Wars, Rings, Potter, etc. do/did well. Reloaded brought all those people who got to see The Matrix in the door, but in the end was either too challenging (or too convoluted and moronic, depending on how you want to look at it) to keep people interested.

Pirates has a very winning formula, and the fact that the first movie was pretty well liked, but far from perfect actually helps it. It's not going to be hard for Bloom and Knightly to live up to his wooden performance in the first movie, and Depp rarely disappoints.

Is Chow Yun-Fat still in the sequel?

He's in Pirates 3, I believe.

Pirates 2 wont make less than the first

Uh-huh. I'm sure it'll make $500 million.

Wha?

Indeed, I am

BJ, I love your optimism (especially when it comes to films I'm cheering for), but you do have a tendency to overpredict a tad Though if you're right here, I swear I'll bow to you and declare you superior.

I just thought I'd mention that POTC had among the best legs EVER for a film opening over $40 m.

1 The Lion King 7.651488863
2 Jurassic Park 7.592856295
3 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace 6.65044508
4 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 6.637454442
5 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 6.549633257

The Lion King had huge young audiences (adding to legs), SW Ep. I was the most anticipated film ever, and LOTR 1 was greatly helped by the holiday season. For POTC to open smack in July, the weekend AFTER Independence Day (which generally is a huge box office weekend), and rank in the top 5 best legs ever for $40 m + openers is a testament to just how big its sequel could be. POTC had BETTER legs smack in July, then Shrek 1 had, with the 2nd weekend bump of Memorial Weekend.

If the "Shrek 2" effect comes back soon, POTC 2 is the film we'll see it with next.

It also had the 6th best legs ever for a film opening with over $30 m (Saving Private Ryan had slightly better legs).

It's legs were great because not that many people saw it opening weekend. If it opened to 70 mil 3-day, the total wouldn't have been much different.

It had among the top openings of the year, and even if it had opened to $70 m over the 4day, it still would have ended up with a 4.3 multiplier, which is pretty damn good for July. It's legs were good if we look at 3day, 5day, 10 day, 20 day, 30 day, 40 day....

Also, thought I'd mention. It pulled those types of legs, when it faced 5 consecutive weekends of big openings:

2nd weekend Bad Boys II $46.5 m (potc drops 27%)
3rd weekend SK 3D $33.4 m (POTC drops 32%) There were also two additional $20 m openers that weekend too.
4th weekend AP3 $33.4 m (POTC drops 19%)
5th weekend SWAT $37 m (POTC drops 31%) Freaky Friday also opened this weekend to $22 m
6th weekend F vs J $36.4 m (POTC drops 29.6%) There were also two additional $11 m + openers that weekend.

So POTC 2, even if people "hadn't seen it" still pulled among box office's best legs EVER with a 5 consecutive weekends of $33 m + openers. No matter how people try to spin it, you can't argue that POTC was not enormously well received and puts tremendous buzz to its follow up. Heck, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was partially riding on Depp's POTC buzz, and did $56 m/$206 m. Also something very startling to note, POTC was released on DVD Dec. 2, 2003, and yet was the 3rd biggest seller of 2003 behind TTT, and Finding Nemo, at 13.3 million DVD's sold, despite not being out as long as the other two.

The 13.3 million number is total units sold... ever as far as I know. Titanic didn't gross $600 million in 1997, but it's credited as doing so.