Zimmerman made the first error. That is where it ends. Zimmerman starts it. Zimmerman ends it. And there is no punishment. Martin got his punishment.

Also, who cares if he rated low in his classes. HE TOOK THEM. He was aware of how to fight, why didn't he?

Was that from zimmerman word or from the evidence? I didn't follow the case much.

America!

Zimmerman obviously had just watched Minority Report before going out and patrolling.

Zimmerman got attacked and beaten by Martin, which is more punishment than Zimmerman deserves as Zimmerman did nothing legally wrong.

Its not this thread most people I have encountered my friends more then 3/4 think Zimmerman did not murder Martin and they are all 20-25 old people.

No you are fully wrong about Zimmerman following Martin meaning Zimmerman becomes responsibile for anything that comes out as a result.

Its the same arguement that imagine Zimmerman was a drunk driver and Martin was a man who ran a red and hit Zimmerman. Is Zimmerman being drunk meaning he is responsibile for everything. In the end they both made a huge huge mistake.

Also People think Martin was some small looking kid... No he was over 6 feet a kid who was suspended and a history of getting into fights. So it is easily possibile to suggest he wanted a fight because he likes to fight.

Did he deserve to die for that no, is it muder no.

That is this case.



Martin had way more experience in fighting (street fighting) then Zimmerman easily.



No because your not getting your head smashed into the sidewalk.

You guys ignore there was a fight over and over...

It seems Zimmerman opponents think Zimmerman followed Martin and just went "your black, die now!"

There was a fight witness puts Martin on top and forensic experts agree.

NOO ^

You just murdered someone out of an irrational fear.

If you get into a fight and he grabs your gun or is pretty much bashing your head against the sidewalk that is a different story.

Legal matter and court cases cannot be all easily explained by general assumptions or broad examples.

Stop saying that Martin was "bashing his head into the sidewalk". None of his injuries were serious, at all.

Also, your car scenario is stupid. Not even the same at all. It would be like... Driver A is driving drunk closely behind Driver B. Driver B brakes hard to get Driver A to stop tailgating, Driver A hits Driver B. Driver B dies.

Guess who is at fault!? Driver A.

So because Martin has been in school fights before, that means he has more fighting experience? Which automatically means he's better than Zimmerman? Give me a break.

True story.

Middle school. I was on the field with some friends, and a bully came up to me. He shoved me and I fell back into a tree. It hurt. I was "losing" that fight, so using this case as an example, I could've shot and killed that bully with no repercussions.

But Zimmerman did not murder Martin because Zimmerman fought back in self defense.
If this was such a clear cut murder case why did the defense rip the Govt to shreds in the case...

because... It was a manslaughter case.



Broken nose gashes to the back of the head, if the fight went on more who knows what could have happened. A lot of silly assumptions we are making.

Also your car example is wrong because Driver B still caused the actual event to start. Slaming the brakes made no sense and getting into a fight was Martins decision.

Um I think you have to remember that Zimmerman was a wannabe cop and did some MMA training but he sucked while Martin was involved in street fights which was exactly what happened.

So really? Who has way more experience at a street fight?

look I agree morally what Zimmerman did was wrong..


However in a court case the only thing tying Zimmerman to murder where silly assumptions.


I thought you guys think Legally Zimmerman should have gone for murder, if this is a moral issue.

Then its different...

Even so I think it more of Zimmerman and Martin making really stupid decisions that night.

You're making Zimmerman out to be this fat little guy who was essentially a child.

Driver A is at fault. That's a fact.

People make Martin seem as a 14 year black kid...


Also about the car example.

Morally Driver A is wrong, if he was not drunk none of this would have happened.

Legally Driver B by slaming the brakes escalated the situation and again if Driver B did not do that none of this would have happened.
In such a case Driver A would be charged for drunk driving but not killing Driver B.

People know Martin was tall and fit and fully capable of fighting. But so was Zimmerman. He took fighting classes.

You are incorrect. Driver A would be charged and convicted of manslaughter. That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

Anyways another interesting angel appearing is the Jury did not care for the star Witness testimony as they did not take her seriously.

People say race played a huge factor.

It seems no matter what she said, the way she said it and her attitude made her not credible to the Jury and then add in her contradicting herself and really she simply just heard the events over a phone and was not an actual witness.

I don’t think it was race but more of a class issue.
If she spoke well I think the jury would take her seriously.
Example is the Jury really paid attention to Martin’s Brother.



It would be manslaughter at most but nothing else exactly as this case should have gone down but Black leaders cheered on by the media wanted Zimmerman's head and got burned.

Also the media acted wrong here as well...
They first distored the truth and made it seem Zimmerman killed Martin in cold blood. Then the case was launched and then the photo's came out and then I knew and many experts knew charging him with 2nd degree murder was a huge mistake.

If you looked at the case the defense pretty much ripped most of the govt witnesses to shreds.
Some of the witnesses like John Good actually was twisted around and helped the defense immensely.

The reason was that it was a murder case giving the defense a far easier time to attack.

This was simply a huge clusterF*CK.

Zimmerman committed manslaughter and got away with it.

Floriduh.

I actually thought Rachel Jeantel's testimony was quite riveting even with the mumbled speaking, but on cross examination she came across a bit sour. I still think her testimony was truthful but it just confirmed George's account. Except for the opinion on who was screaming.

OK, Go with the Mob Mentality. Round up the posse and lets hang him. Justice be Damned.

Your characterization is devoid of any factual basis, unless we are unaware of your mind reading ability. He originally followed TM, because TM was acting suspicious. According to GZ, "This guy (TM) looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."

It was apparently odd to be walking in the neighborhood under the conditions of that night. From the CNN article page 1.

"I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window because it had just started pouring out rain," the witness said. "And then I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, who's out there walking their dog in the rain?'

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/f ... PM:JUSTICE

This witness turned out to be Jayne Surdyka who testified for the state. In addition, TM took over 40 minutes to walk less than a mile from the 7-11 to the area near where he was staying, which is abnormally slow (hence suspicious). Lastly, a work crew had chased down a criminal in the previous month. I can't find the link, if I do I will post it.

I found this an interesting perspective compared to the ridiculous assertions being shouted on cable news:



http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/15 ... an-Verdict

I hope things simmer down because if Zimmerman gets killed, ( I know what I will say sounds a bit bad considering Martin death was tragic), would actually cause race relations to sour...


Also reports were wrong about it being 3 vs 3 in the Jury.

It was never close.

It was 3 vs 2 Vs 1, for Not Guilty, Manslaughter and Murder.

The one lady who thought murder quickly changed to manslaughter and then wanted till the end for Zimmerman to be charged for something and why it took so long.