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i.hope
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Re: US files espionage charges against Snowden, urges HK to
[Update] Just now, Interfax, the Russian news agency, is saying Snowden is set to fly on to Cuba. It's citing Aeroflot sources as saying there is a ticket in the American's name for a Moscow to Cuba flight, Reuters reports.
Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong for Moscow, the South China Morning Post reported.
Hong Kong government has released a statement about this.
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The HKSAR Government today (June 23) issued the following statement on Mr Edward Snowden:
Mr Edward Snowden left Hong Kong today (June 23) on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel.
The US Government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR Government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR Government has requested the US Government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request can meet the relevant legal conditions. As the HKSAR Government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong.
The HKSAR Government has already informed the US Government of Mr Snowden's departure.
Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong.
Ends/Sunday, June 23, 2013 Issued at HKT 16:05
Wikileaks tweeted the following:
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FLASH: WikiLeaks has assisted Mr. Snowden's political asylum in a democratic country, travel papers ans safe exit from Hong Kong. More soon. 4:49 AM - 23 Jun 2013
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FLASH: Mr. Snowden is currently over Russian airspace accompanied by WikiLeaks legal advisors. 5:20 AM - 23 Jun 2013
Re: The Snowden Leak: From Hong Kong to Russia to Cuba?
This is getting interesting. Despite an excellent track record of complying with the US under a bilateral extradition treaty, Hong Kong has decided to allow Snowden to go free, snubbing Washington's request for a warrant to arrest him. A major shocker!
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It's possible Cuba could also be a staging point, according to Russian news agencies.
While both Interfax and Itar-Tass are now saying Snowden is booked on a Monday flight from Moscow to Havana, the latter is also citing an unnamed source as saying the America will then go on from Havana to Caracas in Venezuela.
Re: The Snowden Escape: From HK to Russia to Cuba to Venezue
Someone in Hollywood should make a movie about this. This has the potential of a new Jason Bourne franchise.
Here is my misinformed dream ending of the story:
Mr Snowden volunteers to come back to his home country. He makes his case in an open jury trial in a US court. He faces no mistreatment during the process. The jury decides to acquit him. And a freedom parade and firework display follow his clearance.
Re: The Snowden Escape: From HK to Russia to Cuba to Venezue
Chippy wrote:
The government, obviously. But we won't really know it's them until the movie comes out.
Directed by Oliver Stone
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:53 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: From HK to Russia to Cuba to Venezue
Chippy wrote:
The government, obviously. But we won't really know it's them until the movie comes out.
In my script, the government is just, upholds the rule of law, and respects individuals' constitutional rights. Assassination is not part of their scheme.
Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:00 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: From HK to Russia to Cuba to Venezue
[Update]
WikiLeaks has released a statement claiming that Snowden is "bound for Ecuador" and is awaiting the processing of his application for asylum:
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Mr Edward Snowden, the American whistleblower who exposed evidence of a global surveillance regime conducted by US and UK intelligence agencies, has left Hong Kong legally. He is bound for the Republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from WikiLeaks.
Mr Snowden requested that WikiLeaks use its legal expertise and experience to secure his safety. Once Mr Snowden arrives in Ecuador his request will be formally processed.
Former Spanish Judge Mr Baltasar Garzon, legal director of Wikileaks and lawyer for Julian Assange has made the following statement:
"The WikiLeaks legal team and I are interested in preserving Mr Snowden’s rights and protecting him as a person. What is being done to Mr Snowden and to Mr Julian Assange - for making or facilitating disclosures in the public interest - is an assault against the people".
The media is making it sound ironic that Snowden is traveling to China, Russia, maybe Cuba or Equador. Um, the reason is because if he traveled to any country favorable to the US that country would send him right back here in a minute. That's why.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:15 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Ecuador for Asylum
yeah, that's some cheap tactics (along with character attack) used to divert focus.
Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:01 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Ecuador for Asylum
Snowden told The South China Morning Post on June 12:
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Edward Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason alone - to obtain evidence of Washington's cyberspying networks...
"My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked," he told the Post on June 12. "That is why I accepted that position about three months ago."
During a live global online chat last week, Snowden also stated he took pay cuts "in the course of pursuing specific work". He said: "Booz was not the most I've been paid."
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He spent the time collecting a cache of classified documents as a computer systems administrator at Booz Allen Hamilton.
In his interview with the Post, Snowden divulged information that he claimed showed hacking by the NSA into computers in Hong Kong and the mainland.
"I did not release them earlier because I don't want to simply dump huge amounts of documents without regard to their content," he said.
"I have to screen everything before releasing it to journalists."
Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of surveillance, he replied: "Correct on Booz."
The documents he divulged to the Post were obtained at Booz Allen Hamilton in April, he said. He intends to leak more of those documents later.
"If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment, independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network operations against their people should be published."
That's a very ambitious plan. Not only did he plan to expose the US surveillance programs infringing on civil liberties at home, he also intended to inform humanity around the world about the surveillance programs implemented by nation-states including the US, the UK, and others. If he succeeds and citizens around the world react, it will inevitably disrupt the status quo of the world order, which is currently pitting nation-states against each other. The new order will be geared toward the empowerment of the individual by weakening the power of the state.
I think he has a very strong conviction about his ideals and he is acting on his conscience.
Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:33 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Ecuador for Asylum
Magnus wrote:
Except if Snowden actually cared about these surveillance programs that much, he would have never revealed himself. Revealing himself made the entire focus of the story on him and not the surveillance. So if this was his grand plan he failed miserably.
Anyone who thinks this story is a game-changer is a fool. People will forget by year's end.
From what I read from the news, he intended the leaks to be a drawn out process, long enough to "make the world's feelings known". In order to do this, he needed help from the media (and not just one independent news outlet) to get the message out. To get media attention in this reality-show-obsessive culture, there needed to be a real-life speaker. In exposing himself, he gave himself a chance to clarify things and respond to attacks by government officials. His message was less likely to be drowned out as he's competing for airwaves with the government.
Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:06 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Ecuador for Asylum
At least a few good things have come out because of this.
Google, Facebook, Yahoo, and Apple released some data about the FISA court orders they received and pressed for more transparency as a gesture move.
The FBI acknowledged the use of drones on US soil.
Congress is expected to propose revisions to the oversight mechanism.
Lol, I have talked to some ecuadorian friends about this and they told me the goverment there seems to be decided to give him asylum, it would not be that shocking cause they support Assange and everything that bothers the US goverment.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:53 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Ecuador for Asylum
Magnus wrote:
the biggest issue honestly is that its not an election year. Midterms are still more than a year away and Presidential is three.
If this story had come out last year at this exact same time, it would have changed EVERYTHING IMO. The whole election gets rocked.
But it didn't. And by the time midterms come this story will be forgotten so it won't be an issue that people talk about and demand their politicians to really address.
You may be right. With midterm election more than a year away and with a Congress more than willing to expand its police power and often apathetic to civil liberty issues, not much can be done.
I am thinking if the people had had the power to call a referendum to repeal a passed bill like they do in state legislatures, members of Congress would have applied more scrutiny before voting on a statute. The broadening interpretations of the Patriot Act and FISA could have been prevented.
1. To protect himself. 2. The Govt would have discovered he was the leak very shortly. 3. To keep this story in the public eye.
I can already see how the talk about surveillance is disappating even with him being in public eye, but by him being in the public eye is what is keeping this story in the media.
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One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.
On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.
This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.
For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.
I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.
U.S. Justice Department spokeswoman Nanda Chitre rejected Snowden's claim that he was marooned "since he is still a United States citizen and his country is willing to take him back."
"As the State Department has already said, the U.S. government is prepared to issue individuals wanted on felony charges a one entry travel document to return home," she said.
He should get a US lawyer who will explore his legal options and negotiate a deal with the US government, in case he is captured or decides to go back to his homeland to defend his case.
Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:33 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Stuck in Moscow, applying for asylum
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Monday 1st July 2013
The date format doesn't look like something coming from an American.
Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:56 pm
Caius
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Stuck in Moscow, applying for asylum
I Sometimes write that way (1 July 2013) to avoid having to use a comma.
Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:04 am
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Stuck in Moscow, applying for asylum
The plane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales home from Russia was rerouted to Austria on Tuesday after France and Portugal refused to let it cross their airspace because of suspicions that NSA leaker Edward Snowden was on board, the country’s foreign minister said.
Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:04 pm
i.hope
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Re: The Snowden Escape: Bolivian presidential plane re-route
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper apologized to Congress in a letter released today for giving a “clearly erroneous” answer to a question about whether the government collects data on millions of Americans.
“My response was clearly erroneous – for which I apologize,” Clapper wrote in a letter to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
The letter came after Clapper was accused of lying in response to a question by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., about whether the National Security Agency collects “any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans.”
In his March testimony, Clapper answered “no,” later adding, “not wittingly.”
It was later revealed that the NSA does collect “metadata” from telephone and Internet companies on millions of Americans – information that reveals information like the time, date and phone numbers of telephone calls, not the content of those calls.
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In a statement today, a spokesman for Wyden said that a staff member in the Senator’s office asked Clapper to correct the public record after the March hearing, which he “refused” to do.
“Senator Wyden had a staff member contact the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on a secure phone line soon after the March hearing to address the inaccurate statement regarding bulk collection on Americans,” said Wyden spokesman Tom Caiazza. “The ODNI acknowledged that the statement was inaccurate but refused to correct the public record when given the opportunity. Senator Wyden’s staff informed the ODNI that this was a serious concern.”
“Senator Wyden is deeply troubled by a number of misleading statements senior officials have made about domestic surveillance in the past several years,” he added.
Re: NSA Leaks: US intel dir. admits giving "erroneous" testi
Apparently, USA Today says that Venezuela will be giving asylum to Snowden. Excellente
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Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:37 pm
i.hope
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Re: NSA Leaks: US intel dir. admits giving "erroneous" testi
nghtvsn wrote:
Apparently, USA Today says that Venezuela will be giving asylum to Snowden. Excellente
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"In the name of America's dignity ... I have decided to offer humanitarian asylum to Edward Snowden," (Venezuelan President Nicolas) Maduro told a military parade marking Venezuela's independence day.
"He is a young man who has told the truth, in the spirit of rebellion, about the United States spying on the whole world."
Maduro said Venezuela was ready to offer him sanctuary, and that the details Snowden had revealed of U.S. spy programs had exposed the nefarious schemes of the U.S. "empire."
"Who is the guilty one? A young man ... who denounces war plans, or the U.S. government which launches bombs and arms the terrorist Syrian opposition against the people and legitimate President Bashar al-Assad?" he asked, to applause and cheers from ranks of military officers at the parade.
"Who is the terrorist? Who is the global delinquent?"
Good for Snowden. But not so good for the US. Reactions around the world so far have been overwhelmingly supportive of Venezuela's decision as seen on social media. This will likely solidify the US image as a villian and bully in this saga.
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