Early Reviews Of Hobbit Go From Bad To Worse!
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Algren
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Critics are frightened of losing any credibility, so they pretty much follow suit. They're sheep just as much as Internet bloggers and Nolan fans.
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choubachou
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Bradley, honestly, you should go see it. You'll be surprised how well it blends LotR book's tone with Hobbit book's tone.
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Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:55 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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choubachou wrote: Yes. However it seems that I disagree with most critics... I also disagree with most critics (except the ones who agree with me).
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Cheshire Cat
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time for a RT update: 65% with a 6,4 average rating now. it's on a good pace to drop below 60%!
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Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:23 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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This reviewer makes a very insightful observation: Quote: "It frequently seems as though Jackson was less interested in making The Hobbit than in remaking his own fabulously successful Lord of the Rings series."
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:46 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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The 1977 Rankin-Bass animated version of The Hobbit now has a higher RT score ( 67%) than the new Peter Jackson misadaption ( 65%).
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:17 am |
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Algren
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Bradley, be a dear and let me know when it gets below 60.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:51 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Looks like the RT score might stay around 65% - - more than a third of the reviews going rotten. The most recent review came in yesterday... Quote: "Peter Jackson didn't particularly want to direct The Hobbit, and I didn't particularly want to be bored to tears, but there we both were, fulfilling what could only be described as some sort of cinematic murder-suicide pact."
2 out of 5 >
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:53 am |
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choubachou
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Looks like the RT score might stay around 65% - - more than a third of the reviews going rotten. The most recent review came in yesterday... Quote: "Peter Jackson didn't particularly want to direct The Hobbit, and I didn't particularly want to be bored to tears, but there we both were, fulfilling what could only be described as some sort of cinematic murder-suicide pact."
2 out of 5 > You haven't stopped by the Cloud Atlas page lately, have you?
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Bradley Witherberry
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Chippy
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Probably none. Because there were a LOT of great movies this year. And critics didn't like it.
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Man, I wish I could be as hip as Bradley. I mean, he didn't start threads about other films, many of which (unlike Hobbit) got rotten tomatoes. But this film is something that fans like, and so, by hating it, it just makes Bradley even more hip and cool, right? Damn, I am so envious of his ability to be above it all and so much more cool than the majority of people who actually liked the film.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Groucho wrote: Man, I wish I could be as hip as Bradley. I mean, he didn't start threads about other films, many of which (unlike Hobbit) got rotten tomatoes. But this film is something that fans like, and so, by hating it, it just makes Bradley even more hip and cool, right? Damn, I am so envious of his ability to be above it all and so much more cool than the majority of people who actually liked the film. You have already commented in this thread and I have already explained my motivation - - but then anyone who's clicked on your sig, knows a tawdry adaptation of The Hobbit is right up your alley.  
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choubachou
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Don't try to reason your behavior. You are a troll and that's it. You're like a little kid who is so despererate to receive attention that he goes around annoying people to make sure they pay attention to him.
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Bradley Witherberry
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A.O. Scott's full review of The Hobbit for the NYTimes. Quote: In “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey,” Peter Jackson’s adaptation of J. R. R. Tolkien’s first Middle-earth fantasy novel, Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman) sets out with the wizard Gandalf (Ian McKellen) and a posse of dwarfs to battle a fearsome dragon. [Spoiler alert] they do not kill the dragon, although [spoiler alert] they eventually will, within the next 18 months or so, because [spoiler alert] this “Hobbit,” which is [migraine alert] 170 minutes, is the first installment in [film critic suicide-watch alert] a trilogy.
What’s that old saying so memorably garbled by a recent president? Fool me twice — won’t get fooled again! This is not to say that Mr. Jackson is a con man. On the contrary: He is a visionary, an entrepreneur, a job creator in his native New Zealand. And his “Lord of the Rings” movies, the last of which opened nine years ago, remain a mighty modern gesamtkunstwerk, a grand Wagnerian blend of pop-culture mythology and digital magic now available for easy, endless viewing in your living room.
“The Lord of the Rings” was the work of a filmmaker perfectly in tune with his source material. Its too-muchness — the encyclopedic detail, the pseudoscholarly exposition, the soaring allegory, the punishing length — was as much a product of Tolkien’s literary sensibility as of Mr. Jackson’s commitment to cinematic maximalism. These were three films to rule them all, and they conjured an imaginary world of remarkable complexity and coherence. This voyage, which takes place 60 years before Frodo’s great quest, is not nearly as captivating.
Part of this has to do with tone. The “Rings” trilogy, much of which was written during World War II, is a dark, monumental epic of Good and Evil in conflict, whereas “The Hobbit,” first published in 1937 (and later revised), is a more lighthearted book, an adventure story whose comical and fairy-tale elements are very much in the foreground.
The comparative playfulness of the novel could have made this “Hobbit” movie a lot of fun, but over the years Mr. Jackson seems to have shed most of the exuberant, gleefully obnoxious whimsy that can be found in early films like “Meet the Feebles” and “Dead Alive.” A trace of his impish old spirit survives in some of the creature designs in “The Hobbit” — notably a gelatinous and gigantic Great Goblin and an encampment of cretinous, Three-Stooges-like trolls — but Tolkien’s inventive, episodic tale of a modest homebody on a dangerous journey has been turned into an overscale and plodding spectacle.
Also, not to be pedantic or anything, but “The Hobbit” is just one book, and its expansion into three movies feels arbitrary and mercenary. This installment takes Bilbo and his companions, led by the exiled dwarf king Thorin (Richard Armitage), son of Thrain, through a series of encounters with orcs, elves, trolls and other beings, some scarier or more charming than others. The only character who manages to be a bit of both is the incomparable Gollum, once again incarnated by Andy Serkis in what remains an unmatched feat of computer-assisted performance.
The meeting between Bilbo and Gollum, which takes place in a vast, watery subterranean cavern, is the one fully enchanted piece of “An Unexpected Journey.” It’s a funny, haunting and curiously touching moment that summons the audience to a state of quiet, eager attentiveness. Even if you aren’t aware of the apocalyptic importance of Gollum’s precious ring, you feel that a lot is at stake here: Bilbo’s life and integrity; Gollum’s corroded soul; the fate of Middle-earth itself.
If only some of that feeling animated the rest of the movie. There are, of course, plenty of shots of noble characters turning their eyes portentously toward the horizon, and much talk of honor, betrayal and the rightful sovereignty of dwarfs over their dragon-occupied mountain. But it all sounds remarkably hollow, perhaps because the post-“Lord of the Rings” decade has seen a flood of lavish and self-serious fantasy-movie franchises. We have heard so many weird proper names intoned in made-up tongues, witnessed so many embodiments of pure evil rise and fall and seen so many fine British actors in beards and flowing robes that we may be too jaded for “The Hobbit,” in spite of its noble pedigree.
But I don’t mean to blame the cultural situation for the specific failings of the movie, which rises to weary, belated mediocrity entirely on its own steam. Mr. Jackson has embraced what might be called theme-park-ride cinema, the default style of commercially anxious, creatively impoverished 3-D moviemaking. The action sequences are exercises in empty, hectic kineticism, with very little sense of peril or surprise. Characters go hurtling down chutes and crumbling mountainsides or else exert themselves in chaotic battles with masses of roaring, rampaging pixels.
It seems harder and harder to bring any real novelty or excitement to this kind of thing, though it is not clear how much Mr. Jackson really tries. (“Giants! Stone giants!” someone cries, and a couple of mountains dutifully slug it out.) When the initial rush of a chase or a skirmish dissipates, you are left with the slightly ripped-off feeling of having been here before, but with different costumes, in a “Pirates of the Caribbean” movie or “Clash of the Titans.”
And near the end, when giant birds arrive to pull “The Hobbit” out of the squall and muck of tedious combat, your pleasure at this soaring aerial tour of New Zealand may be accompanied by a shrug of recognition, since the flight plan retraces the routes of “Avatar” and “How to Train Your Dragon.”
“The Hobbit” is being released in both standard 3-D and in a new, 48-frames-per-second format, which brings the images to an almost hallucinatory level of clarity. This is most impressive and also most jarring at the beginning, when a jolly dwarf invasion of Bilbo’s home turns into a riot of gluttonous garden gnomes.
Over all, though, the shiny hyper-reality robs Middle-earth of some of its misty, archaic atmosphere, turning it into a gaudy high-definition tourist attraction. But of course it will soon be overrun with eager travelers, many of whom are likely to find the journey less of an adventure than they had expected.
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Algren
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Quote: If only some of that feeling animated the rest of the movie. There are, of course, plenty of shots of noble characters turning their eyes portentously toward the horizon, and much talk of honor, betrayal and the rightful sovereignty of dwarfs over their dragon-occupied mountain. But it all sounds remarkably hollow, perhaps because the post-“Lord of the Rings” decade has seen a flood of lavish and self-serious fantasy-movie franchises. We have heard so many weird proper names intoned in made-up tongues, witnessed so many embodiments of pure evil rise and fall and seen so many fine British actors in beards and flowing robes that we may be too jaded for “The Hobbit,” in spite of its noble pedigree.
That's the damage that being a film reviewer can do to a person. Each experience is somewhat diluted by the amount of trash that they are contractually obliged to view. Thankfully, as a fan with freedom of choice, my view (as with all other fans too) should mean more, at least in this instance, and be more representative of how good a movie is. I haven't watched a fantasy movie, or even cared for one in that 9-year gap, (I'm faithful to the greats of the fantasy movie genre), so for me I haven't been jaded by other franchises and rip-offs. The Hobbit gave me one of the best cinema experiences of my life. It managed to transport me right back to 2004 when I was sat in a cinema with my dad watching The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, or back to 2003 when I watched The Two Towers, also with dad. There is and was always one fantasy franchise for me and I patiently waited so many years to rejoin the adventure, and it's as if I hadn't been waiting a day, let alone 9 years. Peter Jackson is certainly regarded, by me at least, as of the directorial greats now. His filmography has enough "A" grades for me to rate him so highly.
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Groucho wrote: Man, I wish I could be as hip as Bradley. I mean, he didn't start threads about other films, many of which (unlike Hobbit) got rotten tomatoes. But this film is something that fans like, and so, by hating it, it just makes Bradley even more hip and cool, right? Damn, I am so envious of his ability to be above it all and so much more cool than the majority of people who actually liked the film. You have already commented in this thread and I have already explained my motivation - - but then anyone who's clicked on your sig, knows a tawdry adaptation of The Hobbit is right up your alley.   I have said more than once that I am the target audience for this film, as I write fantasy literature and run a fantasy LARP. That doesn't mean I like every single fantasy film. Many of them suck mightily and I have refused to go see them. But that doesn't address your interest in this kind of thing. You have no interest in this kind of film yet insist on attacking it as much as possible. Why? Apparently it's just to stroke your huge ego to make you so much hipper than everyone else you may like it.
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Algren
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: The 1977 Rankin-Bass animated version of The Hobbit now has a higher RT score ( 67%) than the new Peter Jackson misadaption ( 65%). Cloud Atlas ( 63%) 
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Bradley Witherberry
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It's a Christmas miracle! The 84th rotten review of The Hobbit was born in an Australian manger on Xmas morn... Quote: I can’t help but be disappointed. On Boxing Day morning from 2001 to 2003, you would have found me sitting in a packed theatre and watching the latest instalment in The Lord Of The Rings trilogy. I loved all of the films and was enthralled by Frodo’s quest and the many complex storylines.... The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey just isn’t the same. At the one hour mark, I opened my notepad and wrote the comment – “something is going to happen, right?” Too much time is wasted in Bilbo’s house discussing the possible adventure and introducing the characters. It left me questioning Jackson’s recent decision to split J.R.R. Tolkien’s novel into three films as opposed to two. We all know his key motive is cash (yay, more box office revenue) but I still hoped there’d be enough material to sustain three movies. I was wrong.... Does any of that actually happen? Nope. That’ll be saved for the second and third films. An Unexpected Journey simply follows them trekking across the mountainous countryside and facing off against the series of adversaries.... Lacking the interesting characters and intriguing subplots that made the earlier trilogy so engaging, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is too flat, too slow. Hopefully Peter Jackson decides to release a director’s cut on DVD… which is one hour shorter. >
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Chippy
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I enjoyed the introduction to the dwarves in Bilbo's house. Plus, you get the dwaves singing the misty mountain song for a bit. The 2nd time I watched it I tried to remember some of the dwarves and the one's who stuck out were Dwalin, Balin, Fili and Kili. Thorin of course. This honestly isn't any different from the FOTR as that was just Frodo and the gang traversing across the land having a series of encounters as well so I can't see what that reviewer is whining about. I do agree that it could have been trimmed a bit.
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Algren
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The dwarves singing was actually a lovely scene. Great song, quite moving. And I agree wih nightvision (come on, we all know that's his name), FOTR was basically them just travelling across Middle Earth with a few encounters too.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Here is an excerpt from an IMDb review that captures my own disappointment with Peter Jackson's adaptations: Quote: "I'll get this out of the way first: as a faithful adaption of the book, this fails. It misses the spirit of the printed Hobbit, attempting to graft on too many "epic this!" Lord of the Rings moments. Also, the battle scenes are way too over the top. Also, etc. That all being said, if you can divorce your mind from the book (or if you've never read said book), it's a pretty good fantasy film."
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Here is an excerpt from an IMDb review that captures my own disappointment with Peter Jackson's adaptations: Quote: "I'll get this out of the way first: as a faithful adaption of the book, this fails. It misses the spirit of the printed Hobbit, attempting to graft on too many "epic this!" Lord of the Rings moments. Also, the battle scenes are way too over the top. Also, etc. That all being said, if you can divorce your mind from the book (or if you've never read said book), it's a pretty good fantasy film." Apparently not since you disagree with the last sentence. You are starting to sound like Tipper Gore and all of those Senators in the 80s that had the hearings that led to labels on albums for explicit lyrics. Same thing with violent movies/games nowadays. These types pick an issue that they know nothing about, having never sampled any of the herein mentioned media or selectively sampling, and rail and rail and rail and thoroughly whip that horse. Basically you have become an establishment shill. Cf. your citation of Rotten Tomatoes. 
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Concerning some of the more outrageous things in The Hobbit (such as the impossible fight with the goblins and the fall from the bridge, or Bilbo's fight against some of the major bad guys) -- someone pointed out recently (might have been here, I can't remember) that the Hobbit is, after all, a story told by Bilbo, and he's exaggerating and making himself more into the hero. Unlike the book, the movie starts with Bilbo narrating it...
That certainly makes sense. Anyone know if Jackson has commented on that?
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