Fellowship is easily the most rewatchable because it relies on the story, not the massive action scenes. The only thing Towers and King have over it is Gollum.
But I guess I'll just have to settle for disagreeing with Magnus, the man who hates Casablanca. OH WELL.
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:48 pm
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Magnus wrote:
You and I were on a good streak trixster after having that horrible misstep from Last Year at Marienbad. Now this again.
Fellowship is easily the most boring of them all. Visuals in the others were better. Action in the others were better. Hell, the acting in the others were better.
I only loved FOTR the first time I saw it because it was the first one, but my opinion of it went down fast upon repeat viewings and see TT/ROTK.
Flip FOTR with TT/ROTK and I'd agree with you.
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Re: King Kong (2005)
I'm not sure how Kevin Smith factors in, but if I were trixster, I'd raise you a Pauly Shore.
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:00 pm
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Re: King Kong (2005)
ROTK is the best because it's the only one I remember anything about. :o
Coppla's only great films had a Carleone as the main character.
Dumb. Even though he has definitely burnt out.
I haven't watched any of the LOTR films since 2004. I'm gonna keep it that way until The Hobbit comes out.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:24 pm
Shack
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Magnus wrote:
trixster wrote:
Fellowship is easily the most rewatchable because it relies on the story, not the massive action scenes. The only thing Towers and King have over it is Gollum.
But I guess I'll just have to settle for disagreeing with Magnus, the man who hates Casablanca. OH WELL.
Story?
About Casablanca: I hate that its considered to be one of if not the greatest film ever made by many people. I do recognize that the film itself isn't bad...but its over-praise does make me hate it.
Like TTT and ROTK!
On Casablanca, I really need to watch it again, I think the last time I saw it was when I was like 14 or 15. At this point based on my recollection I would agree with you that it is overpraised. It's a very good rom drama, but when I think of the story, characters, the acting, the thematics, the direction, I can't think of anywhere that the film is closest to being the best among all films at... it's all good, but I guess to place a film among the best ever, it has to have something more than Casablanca does to make it unique and stand out. I guess the closest thing would be the script, which has a lot of wit, but I dunno, the gushy romantic talk between the two leads doesn't hold up too well... I get it's in a different era and you just have to accept the stagy gushiness and lip biter kissing as what it is, but I still don't like it much.
In the case of The Godfather, 2001, Citizen Kane, I wouldn't place them on my favorites list just out of preference (I don't like watching them that much), but I can see why they're regarded among the "best" movies ever, if only for the total mastery Coppola, Kubrick, and Welles show behind the camera. Not to mention other factors like Michael and Kane and their transformations making absolutely two of the most interesting and layered characters ever. Then you could tie TG and CK into America and how they represent and dissect American ideals of family and business or what not, and the message in 2001 about the dangers of the machine age and how humans are destined to reap their own destruction, and so on. Hell, I even think something like Fury that I saw last week (and I guess M., which I haven't seen, but I guess it deals with the same stuff), stands up as more interesting today for its still applicable themes of hidden human blackness, the effect of mob mentality and patriotism in causing irrational action, society standing by in the face of wrongs and violence and whether they are just as guilty, etc. And I think the directing and acting is better in Fury than Casablanca too. Casablanca... it's an entertaining, extremely charming, well acted romdrama... but for it to be the most beloved or second most praised film ever, I dunno if being a charming romdrama with timeless quotes is enough for me. Eh, I should probably see it again before saying this.
The thing about Casablanca is that when I watched the film the first time, I had this strange feeling that everything was so typical and cliche. I had heard all the lines before and the foggy airport and everyone in trench coats and all that was so typical for an old romance drama.
Then I realized, this is where all those cliche's and stereotypes originate from.
I love Casablanca as it has the dialogue is some of the best you will ever here, its timeless dialogue.
There are 4 big American films that are seen as the best ever...
They are Casablanca, The Godfather, Citizen Cane and Gone With The Wind.
All four are really popular well loved films that we all know off.
However only the first two imo are as great as people say they are.
There are much better films then some of those 4 films but they are still seen as one of the best films ever, as they were successful in all areas.
Imo, you likely at least like one of them.
I do not like Citizen Cane at all and GWTW is a bit too long, or more like way too long.
Back to KK, a film that tried to be this huge epic film but it failed, as it tried to be this great epic and all, but unless it is a LOTR film people do not like such films.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:39 pm
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Re: King Kong (2005)
this is an awesome movie, nearly meeting "The Two Towers" (my pick for the weakest LOTR film) in terms of quality. For a three hour movie, I have found that it has a lot of rewatchability value. Jack Black was so well-cast considering I would have never even considered him for this type of role, and I commend Jackson for taking that kind of risk (and he was ultimately the most interesting human element of the movie).
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:09 am
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Re: King Kong (2005)
billybobwashere wrote:
this is an awesome movie, nearly meeting "The Two Towers" (my pick for the weakest LOTR film) in terms of quality. For a three hour movie, I have found that it has a lot of rewatchability value. Jack Black was so well-cast considering I would have never even considered him for this type of role, and I commend Jackson for taking that kind of risk (and he was ultimately the most interesting human element of the movie).
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I actually agree with that.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:13 am
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Agreed that Fellowship is easily superior to the Two Towers. Casablanca and Citizen Kane are great films.
King Kong, on the other hand, is only mildly passable. There's parts that work and they work well, I had to see it twice to be sure, but overall it's too flawed a movie for me to want to see again.
C+
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:52 am
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Great film. I think Naomi Watts did a great job considering she was acting on a green screen throughout the entire film. Kong himself was very well made and the fight scene is a classic in my opinion. But the film is just too long and could have used a good editor...plus some of the dialogue is incredibly cheesy and Jack Black just doesn't work well with the film...
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Fantastic. Peter Jackson's best film. Abslolutely triumphant, visually fantastic, and expertly directed. The second best film of 2005 next to Rent.
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:27 am
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Ev@n wrote:
The second best film of 2005 next to Rent.
Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:57 am
insomniacdude
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Riggs wrote:
Ev@n wrote:
The second best film of 2005 next to Rent.
Dude...Rent was amazing.
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Re: King Kong (2005)
insomniacdude wrote:
Riggs wrote:
Ev@n wrote:
The second best film of 2005 next to Rent.
Dude...Rent was amazing.
I agree - - so @ least Ev@n is batting .500 on his top two films of '05...
Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:27 pm
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Bump - - for the release of Jackson' latest bloated misappropriation of culture.
Bradley Witherberry wrote:
Well I have seen the much vaunted newest version of King Kong and I must say I feel like the boy who said "The Emperor has no clothes!"...
This movie is not just bad, it is pitiful. Peter Jackson can't tell a story worth a damn. Not only that, if you planning on seeing this movie just for the special effects - well, they're surprisingly lame too. For example, anytime Kong is holding Naomi Watts in his hand, any suspension of disbelief is immediately reinstated. All of the actors are miscast - even Watts. If Jackson was truly inspired by the original version of King Kong, then he completely misunderstood it - this is a botched job.
The fanboys are going to eat this up for a couple weeks, but the general public is not going to put up with three tedious hours of Jackson's juvenile interpretation of King Kong - and forget what people are saying about the first hour being boring - the whole enchilada is slack. Fortunately, the reign of Peter Jackson will be a short-lived one now that he has ruined adaptations of two all-time classic source materials. In five years, this guy's going to be back to making low budget horror movies.
I know that some people will reject my review as biased and unfair, but as a lover of movies, I swear that what I have said is true. In the fullness of time, those blinded by the hype will come to see the light.
1 out of 5.
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:24 am
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Re: King Kong (2005)
This is unquestionably Peter Jackson's best film. Better than any of the Middle-Earth movies by a landslide.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:23 am
Riggs
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Re: King Kong (2005)
This could have been really great if not for the most boring first hour (and every scene without Kong or dinosaurs) ever. Also this is one of the rare cases where I just don't like anybody.
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:26 am
Riggs
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Re: King Kong (2005)
Magnus wrote:
If Jackson had just made a 2 hour movie with Kong dominating most of the runntime, I think I would have given this an 'A'.
But he didn't. He spent too much time on other stuff outside of Kong and it didn't work. Everything with Kong works; everything without Kong doesn't. B
Oh, and Naomi Watts is overrated so much. The only good performance (and its a great performance) in this film is Kong.
Completely agree.
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:27 am
thompsoncory
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Re: King Kong (2005)
The first hour of this film is amazing. It did a great job of setting up all the characters, making both Ann and Jack sympathetic, well-rounded characters, and setting up the stakes and character motivations for the rest of the film.
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