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Nazgul9
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:32 pm Posts: 11289 Location: Germany
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 Re: Early Friday Numbers
mdana wrote: Could you ever so quietly shut the front door? I would prefer not read your uninformed cryptic contrarian B.S. today. Wow, what an asshole. Didn't mom teach you manners?
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8642 Location: Toronto, Canada
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"30 million at midnights pretty much locks up 85 million opening day imo, which locks up 200m"
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No sorry around 90 million for 200 million.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:49 pm |
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Captain Kidney
Speed Racer
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 12:55 pm Posts: 140
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Nothing locks up anything in the movie business.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:12 pm |
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xiayun
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:41 pm Posts: 25109 Location: San Mateo, CA
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I think Warner Bros should just go ahead and say they're going to donate a portion of the film's WW gross to the victims' families. Even 1%, heck, even 0.5%, would mean a lot to those families when it's just pocket changes to the studio. And it may help in encouraging people who became hesitant due to tragedy back to the theater since they could feel they're doing something to help the healing process. It's a win-win situation for them comparing to simply not report any numbers.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:23 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Captain Kidney wrote: Nothing locks up anything in the movie business. Nobody puts Baby in a corner.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:36 pm |
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choubachou
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 1796
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xiayun wrote: I think Warner Bros should just go ahead and say they're going to donate a portion of the film's WW gross to the victims' families. Even 1%, heck, even 0.5%, would mean a lot to those families when it's just pocket changes to the studio. And it may help in encouraging people who became hesitant due to tragedy back to the theater since they could feel they're doing something to help the healing process. It's a win-win situation for them comparing to simply not report any numbers. 100%. At least give them some money to pay for profesionnal psychological help.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:15 pm |
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erikdean
The Dark Knight
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:59 pm Posts: 721 Location: Different places!
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xiayun wrote: I think Warner Bros should just go ahead and say they're going to donate a portion of the film's WW gross to the victims' families. Even 1%, heck, even 0.5%, would mean a lot to those families when it's just pocket changes to the studio. And it may help in encouraging people who became hesitant due to tragedy back to the theater since they could feel they're doing something to help the healing process. It's a win-win situation for them comparing to simply not report any numbers. I don't see how it's a win-win for them. I think it does nothing but imply guilt when none is there for them to weather. If someone should be giving money to the victims' families it's the NRA.
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Ghostooze
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:47 pm Posts: 1406
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Do you think just TDKR is being affected, or is it all movies this weekend? 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:33 pm |
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Gopher
You are waiting for a train
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:25 pm Posts: 995
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Hard to say if everything is affected by TDKR or killings. Probably both. ASM according to Nikki's Friday is looking at a near-70% drop.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:53 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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I expect huge drops for most films. People aren't in the mood to go to the theatre at the moment, certainly not casual moviegoers catching up with Magic Mike, Ted, or Savages.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:04 pm |
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mdana
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Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:07 pm Posts: 3004
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erikdean wrote: xiayun wrote: I think Warner Bros should just go ahead and say they're going to donate a portion of the film's WW gross to the victims' families. Even 1%, heck, even 0.5%, would mean a lot to those families when it's just pocket changes to the studio. And it may help in encouraging people who became hesitant due to tragedy back to the theater since they could feel they're doing something to help the healing process. It's a win-win situation for them comparing to simply not report any numbers. I don't see how it's a win-win for them. I think it does nothing but imply guilt when none is there for them to weather. If someone should be giving money to the victims' families it's the NRA. I also think there could be other problems. Maybe I am overthinking this, but wouldn't this set a bad precedent in the future? If other incidents happened it could open up any entity to civil cases for any unforeseeble mayhem. There have been criminal and civil cases that have held liable artists and companies for damages caused by second parties with much more direct correlation. I don't know if WB lawyers would sign off on this without some kind of ironclad wording.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:31 pm |
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erikdean
The Dark Knight
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:59 pm Posts: 721 Location: Different places!
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mdana wrote: erikdean wrote: xiayun wrote: I think Warner Bros should just go ahead and say they're going to donate a portion of the film's WW gross to the victims' families. Even 1%, heck, even 0.5%, would mean a lot to those families when it's just pocket changes to the studio. And it may help in encouraging people who became hesitant due to tragedy back to the theater since they could feel they're doing something to help the healing process. It's a win-win situation for them comparing to simply not report any numbers. I don't see how it's a win-win for them. I think it does nothing but imply guilt when none is there for them to weather. If someone should be giving money to the victims' families it's the NRA. I also think there could be other problems. Maybe I am overthinking this, but wouldn't this set a bad precedent in the future? If other incidents happened it could open up any entity to civil cases for any unforeseeble mayhem. There have been criminal and civil cases that have held liable artists and companies for damages caused by second parties with much more direct correlation. I don't know if WB lawyers would sign off on this without some kind of ironclad wording. That's exactly what I was thinking, too. But I supposed they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Psilocybin
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Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:03 pm Posts: 60
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The irony of Heath Ledger's death promoting box office and random people's deaths destroying it...
Heartbreaking OD, really. I think Sat/Sun can combine for $95M and give it a $172M OW. Over Potter least... *shrug*
2nd weekend will be over $80M for sure though.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:57 pm |
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SolC9
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Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7196 Location: Wisconsin
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Kenspy wrote: I think a significant remnant of this tragedy is that the midnight business for the upcoming Twilight will be curtailed. Yeah it's still 4 months away, but by and large the audience is young girls who will have parents that will remember what happened at a midnight screening for TDKR and not want to even remotely risk it. It's hard to say for sure, but I think a lot of those people will realize that they've gone to the previous 4 midnight shows of the series and there were no shootings. And they probably went to the 8 Harry Potter midnights without anything happening either. This was one nut, it shouldn't affect the way people live and what they like to do. It sure as hell isn't going to stop me from going to see The Hobbit at midnight.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:56 pm |
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DP07
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15573 Location: Everywhere
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mdana wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: The shooting should very much have a widespread effect as far as gun control, security, approach of mental illness etc. are concerned. On a society-wide scale, yes.
It should NOT have an effect on fucking TV spots of a movie, box-office reporting etc. That's insane and, IMO, essentially an admission of some sort of guilt that does not exist. Good post except the bolded part won't happen, I am afraid. It never happens in this country. We suspend political ads, don't release b.o. #s, pray, spend more on security procedures, anything but deal with the elephant in the room, i.e. how easy it is for unstable people to purchase means of mass destruction on a local scale. We blame movies, music, parents, whatever handy scapegoat is availabe, because guns don't kill people, but everything else under the sun apparently does. When planes crash or similiar tragedies occur we don't allow the alcohol industry a pass, because booze doesn't kill people. There may be political grandstanding, but the reasons for the incident are acknowledged and addressesed usually. Drug and alcohol screens are implemented, more down time is required, malfuctions or design flaws are corrected. It is not perfect, sometimes problems are covered up, but it is healthier and a better system than how we deal with mass shootings. We just throw are hands up and resign ourselves that this is price of freedom, when it is the price of stupidity and inaction. In principle he may have a point, but realistically what does anyone expect to be directly learned? Even if everything happens for some reason, the only useful raw fact is 'this happened here' and everyone's too late. Anything that happens in the airline industry BTW is an extension of current operations. It's not a reactive system, it's an intricate progressive one with reactive elements (as best I can put it). There are things under the sun that lead to death, and some otherwise innocuous things can have unintended effects. I don't necessarily mean that in a good or bad way, just as a neutral statement of fact. I would argue a lot of it relates to the often monolithic nature of western society that limits opportunities. And I believe opportunity tends to favor a culture of productivity.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15573 Location: Everywhere
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Kenspy wrote: I think a significant remnant of this tragedy is that the midnight business for the upcoming Twilight will be curtailed. Yeah it's still 4 months away, but by and large the audience is young girls who will have parents that will remember what happened at a midnight screening for TDKR and not want to even remotely risk it. I don't believe that because I don't see reason to expect a pattern, but we'll see for ourselves.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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mdana wrote: Shack wrote: I generally agree. Dieing in freak accidents is a part of life. So many more will die in drunk driving accidents this year that they deserve no blame for, than in movie theatre shootings. I think this is a matter more of anger that there can be monsters and murderers out there who take out their own failures of a life out on others.
I would go as far to say the number of mass murder events is relatively low considering of the 300 million people in the US there's a lot of insane, sociopathic suicidal attention whores. Think about how many pedophiles there are in the US, which is just about the most sick and immoral thing you can be, even worse than a mass murderer arguably (not to mention there's plenty who double up as pedo + killing kids to wipe the evidence, making them the absolute fucking worst people on the planet) Yes, one reason why there'd be more pedos than public place mass murderers is that the former can get away with it without going to jail for life or getting the needle. But there's no shortage of suicidal people either so I'm not sure that explains it. I would seem to me like it would fit our fked up index as humans for there to be regular events of a guy with an uzi walking out into a street and unloading on a crowd after yelling say hello to my little friend, but luckily this stuff is pretty rare at least for now.
The best thing the media to prevent events like this in the future is to commit to not reporting about these stories and not show his face on TV. Just have a meeting of the networks Godfather style and make a commitment in writing that nobody will put murderers faces on TV. Of course that would require the media not being soul sucking vampires who are probably very happy this event happened. Also capital punishment should come back for cases like this. It's technically legal in COL but they've killed like one guy in 25 years so in reality, not really. IMO if a wife blows her husbands head off with a shotgun in an act of passion capital punishment is unnecessary but a mass murder is at a different level of "We need to make sure everyone who's thinking about doing this knows that they gonna die". I also recommend bringing back the electric chair just to scare the fuck out of them. If the electric chair instead of the needle scares at least one cowardly dipshit enough to prevent a mass murder it's 1000% worth it. You don't seem to understand the very major differences between pedophilia, psychopathy, and sociopathy, hence it is quite difficult to consider your solutions seriously. I have never seen any evidence that people capable of carrying out these sorts of acts are deterred by fear for their own lifes, since they also have suicidal tendencies. Any sort of self-preservation in indivuals without the suicidal component tends to be overwhelmed by their compulsion for malevolence. I remember after 9/11 reading an article comparing it to auto accidents. It described statistics as cold. I was put off by it and thought of it as inappropriate. But it may have had a point in that sudden events starkly reflect the difference between what might be, if only...
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Nazgul9
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SolC9 wrote: This was one nut, it shouldn't affect the way people live and what they like to do. It sure as hell isn't going to stop me from going to see The Hobbit at midnight. 
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Bradley Witherberry
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SolC9 wrote: This was one nut, it shouldn't affect the way people live and what they like to do. It sure as hell isn't going to stop me from going to see The Hobbit at midnight. Good point - - there's no way a crazy guy who busts into a theatre with a broad sword is going to be able to kill more than two or three people in the front row.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
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eh i'm not drastically changing my life but I am going to reconsider putting myself in situations lthat crazy people can take advantage of for their mass murder plans. The kid knew it was going to be a big event and planned it for months. Public gatherings in general are risky yeah but no harm in reducing the possibility of getting killed at one of them.
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SolC9
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For me, getting excited about an event film and going to the midnight premiere is the most fun thing about going to the movies. If they stop doing midnight premieres because of this I will be very upset. Between Harry Potter, Twilight, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, all the comic book movies, and many other, I've probably seen at least 50 midnight shows in the last 10+ years. These are sold out, shows with lots of fans dressed up. The excited midnight crowd enhances the experience. When Hermione decked Malfoy, Jacob taking off his shirt (wow 13 year old girls can scream), Yoda's first fight scene, and many others. It's the midnight crowd that made these experiences memorable. I refuse to let this one person and the response to it impact my enjoyment of going to the theater. It's infinitely more dangerous just driving to work every day.
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Jack Sparrow
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SolC9 wrote: For me, getting excited about an event film and going to the midnight premiere is the most fun thing about going to the movies. If they stop doing midnight premieres because of this I will be very upset. Between Harry Potter, Twilight, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, all the comic book movies, and many other, I've probably seen at least 50 midnight shows in the last 10+ years. These are sold out, shows with lots of fans dressed up. The excited midnight crowd enhances the experience. When Hermione decked Malfoy, Jacob taking off his shirt (wow 13 year old girls can scream), Yoda's first fight scene, and many others. It's the midnight crowd that made these experiences memorable. I refuse to let this one person and the response to it impact my enjoyment of going to the theater. It's infinitely more dangerous just driving to work every day. Absolutely agreed. Except for Jacob taking off his shirt
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15573 Location: Everywhere
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Mr. R wrote: choubachou wrote: You guys make me puke. In Syria, a dictator has been eliminating his own people for 1.5 year because he desperately wants to remain in power. The world has the power to stop it, but it hasn't since it started in March 2011. You make me puke. Western propaganda playing it like this for you morons doesn't make it true. I remember very well from the 90s how you shitheads portrayed Chechen terrorists as noble freedom fighters. US has always been a state sponsor of terrorists. Open your fucking eyes and see that the West is eliminating Iran's key ally. Bashar al-Assad is the world's last chance to stop World War with Iran, and he's holding on for so long because he has major support from his nation, you bitches can't invade Syria as easily as you invaded Libya - it will cost you so much blood you're gonna drown in it. Gaddafi was stupid in a way that he didn't modernize his army and didn't build up a full-range defence system. But Bashar wasn't. That's why you are all scared to make a move. That's why you'll be sponsoring terrorists to kill innocent people and then play it in the news as Assad's crimes. Wow, although to be fair there may be mainstream stuff just as inflammatory in the US that seems less notable because it doesn't seem to stand out based on what we are accustomed to. As for Syria it may last for years. You're right that the Baathist party is better prepared. Assad's backers may be thinking price, and the price may be high.
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