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BJ
Killing With Kindness
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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 Re: Inception
BJs Grade: A+em, I can not put into words how literally awesome Inception is, the film eclipses TDK with relative ease, the brilliance on display is overwhelming, wow, just wow. rock solid acting from the entire cast, I really hope Page gets a nomination she was amazing. I think he was definitely in the real world at the end, he said the top spins perfectly without any wobble in the dream world and the top was noticeably changing speed and wobbling.
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:50 am Posts: 11675
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Inception is the rare blockbuster that lives up to the hype. Some of the logic seems wonky-I'm not sure I understand why dreams within dreams would operate at such a slower speed-but it's undeniably gourmet popcorn. It helps that Christopher Nolan seems to have figured out how to completely ignore a three-act structure. The movie sets up its rules, than follows them admirably. While Nolan has made huge strides as an action director since Batman Begins, some of the action (especially during the finale) felt rather redundant. But there are so many incredible things I had never seen done before: the rolling van/hallway fight; Page's dream exploding, then later collapsing onto itself. This film is proof that even $200 million blockbusters can be art, and it is certainly my favorite movie of 2010.
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jmovies
Let's Call It A Bromance
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:22 pm Posts: 12333
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There are times where films get so hyped that one hopes the final result of the film is not a disappointment because of how much hype there was. With Inception, there is nothing to worry about as the film exceeds even the biggest of the hype. Christopher Nolan can now clearly stands as one of the greatest directors of a generation, let alone the history of film after this successful feat and his other wonderful works including Memento, The Prestige, and The Dark Knight. The screenplay is wonderfully gripping and while it becomes easier to realize when there is a dream and when there isn't, the complexity of the dreams is mindblowing. The effect of the time within a dream is also great to look at and a great way to drive a story. There are so many aspects of a dream or real vs. fake that can be enjoyed here that the review would be too long to cover it but Nolan successfully masters them. The cast is fantastic. Leonardo DiCaprio gives a very solid performance here and while his romance story may seem a bit pushed at times, he makes it work without overdoing any acting or sounding too wanting in the process. Even with Leo's great performance, it is still not the #1 performance of the whole film. Marion Cotillard is exceptionally chilling in her role and Ellen Page delivers another fine performance. The true winners of the film though come from Tom Hardy and Joseph Gordon-Levitt. The former offers some comic relief throughout but can stay in top form and stay strong in some of the film's more intense scenes. The latter however continues to show that his acting chops have improved and is ready to tackle any genre especially after his other wonderful performance in (500) Days of Summer. His scenes in the hotel alone should warrant Levitt at least a Best Supporting Actor nomination come Oscar time. Christopher Nolan continues to show that to make a miraculous film, independent or blockbuster, it does not have to rely on pure action scenes or cool effects. Now while Inception has some of those, the film's true greatness relies in its wonderfully original screenplay and its wonderful communication on screen even without the help of the overdone 3D. It might of been eight years of hard work to right but Nolan sure hit the head on this one and makes his best film to date. Now hopefully this film rakes in enough big bucks and we see more originality like this then the stupidity of films like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen or Clash of the Titans. ****For those who've seen it I've wondered about a couple things. Why didn't Mal just use her top when she got out of the dream to prove she was in the real world. I mean she couldn't physically take that piece away from her while in limbo.
I'm guessing the last few seconds that Cobb was in a dream because for one his children would be a bit older right? From the sound of it, Cobb's been on the run for a while so they'd have to be older. Though also he said in the movie he never saw where his kids turn around before he leaves. Why would he suddenly see that now though? I don't know very odd way to end it but I like that it's keeping me thinking.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:47 am |
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2001
Another You
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:38 am Posts: 4556
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BJ wrote: I think he was definitely in the real world at the end, he said the top spins perfectly without any wobble in the dream world and the top was noticeably changing speed and wobbling. I'm on this side as well. And I particularly liked the Paris sequences (which I wished would be longer) including Cobb/Mal's dream world with the buildings and all. One of the best environments done in CGI. The snow action may be the only "good/average" part in the film.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:34 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: Inception
I prefer to believe: The "totem" will fall over. The last scenes are real. I am enjoying the various theories, but I haven't found one so convincing as to change my beliefs.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:49 pm |
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jmovies
Let's Call It A Bromance
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:22 pm Posts: 12333
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That's a really good theory that Magnus posted. I like.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:52 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Magception wrote: Gunslinger wrote: I prefer to believe: The "totem" will fall over. The last scenes are real. I am enjoying the various theories, but I haven't found one so convincing as to change my beliefs. OT: I like the way you have those mini-posters in your sig  Thanks.  I can't wait to see this movie again.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:57 pm |
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2001
Another You
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:38 am Posts: 4556
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Well, that theory makes an already intruiging film all more interesting. 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:59 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Most spoiler tags used on a single page?
This page wins!
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:44 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
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This is a hard movie to spoil.  At least harder than, say, Fight Club or Stay. You would have to read a fairly substantial description of Inception's plot and imagery to be truly "spoiled."
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Biggestgeekever
I heet the canadian!
Joined: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:58 am Posts: 5192 Location: The Great _______
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One thing that just occurred to me When Arthur is explaining to Ariadne (nice Greek Mythology reference, by the way) the concept of a "totem", he said something about her touching his would defeat purpose of it, right? Yet, in the limbo it's Saito who spins Dom's totem. Hmm... Still, Inception is definitely one of those complex movies that I think allows you to weave a lot of theories out of, and make many of them work. I think that's why the simplest explanation is the best. A little Occam's Razor, I suppose. 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:20 pm |
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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If he is in limbo, what happened to his body on the plane? Sent to a prison hospital for the rest of his days? A private facility owned by Saito?
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Telemachos
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Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:23 pm Posts: 324 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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The beauty about the ending is there's absolutely no definite answer (no matter what theories anyone comes up with). The moment I thought was absolutely priceless and utterly delightful was the little hiccup the dreidel makes, and juuust as you're about to see whether it completely loses velocity or keeps artificially spinning...... CUT TO BLACK. Best intentional tease of audience expectations since the end of PATRIOT GAMES. 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:46 pm |
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xiayun
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:41 pm Posts: 25109 Location: San Mateo, CA
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The most original concept since Memento, and Mind-fucking at its finest, again.
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Grill
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Gunslinger wrote: I prefer to believe: The "totem" will fall over. The last scenes are real. I am enjoying the various theories, but I haven't found one so convincing as to change my beliefs. I also think he made it out of the dream. They were on the airplane. He saw the kids faces. He met his father.
THough the kids probably should have been alittle older and different...but time moves slower in real time
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:47 pm |
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snack
Extraordinary
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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xiayun wrote: The most original concept since Memento viewtopic.php?f=14&t=28710
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:41 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
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Is the plot really that similar to Paprika?
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
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Words can not really sum up my thoughts...  It was fucking incredible.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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I'm almost sure the whole movie is a dream (and we're stuck in it lol). I've been going over the scenes that supposedly take place in awake world and there's a lot of surrealism there too. The thing that keeps bugging me is that no one but Cobb had a motive to ever participate in this elaborate inception. Are we to believe the people in his team were willing to risk their lives to help out some guy take out his competition?
The bigger clue, btw, that he is lost in the dreamworld at the end is that when he/we see his kids at the end, it is just an extended scene of what his been envisioning throughout the movie. A return to his life would surely have produced a different visual.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
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Gunslinger wrote: If he is in limbo, what happened to his body on the plane? Sent to a prison hospital for the rest of his days? A private facility owned by Saito? the plane is just another level of dream so he returned to that one but not fully to wherever reality is... 
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
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Well as Cobb says in the beginning... you never remember how you got to where you are in a dream. The plane was a perfect spot for him to start his new dream.
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Biggestgeekever
I heet the canadian!
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After seeing it for a second time, I've developed some concrete opinions in regards to some of the theories out and will try to project those in a intelligible manner. Before I get started, let me make it aware that I consider Nolan to be a master of deception, which is gonna be the basis for a lot of my conclusions
First off, I don't think it's worth much more than entertaining the notion that the entire film is a dream. It's an idea that is virtually impossible to prove without Nolan outright coming out and saying it's so, and is ultimately counterproductive in my view.
Secondly, I've heard people say that Saito was actually the mastermind to achieve whatever his goals may be. He is certainly a shadowy character, and some have pointed to the scene in which Dom first uses the sedative. In this scene, Dom wakes up from the sedative, is shaken by it, and then spins his totem. It's significant here because the totem falls off the sink before we can judge if it continues it's rotation. In my view, this scene is here to act as both misdirection by Nolan, and as a reason for why Saito was able to look at the totem in Limbo and remember his promise to Dom.
The ending, of course, is going to be (or just is?) the biggest point of discussion for a lot of people. There's a definite sense of ambiguity to the ending, but I think it's absolutely reality for the following reasons: 1) Once they get off the airport, all of the members of the group and even Fischer acknowledge Dom in a way that none of the projections in any of the other realities did except, of course, for Mal. Mal is the exception because she was the part of the mind of Dom that wanted him to stay with her in Limbo forever. With him finally letting go of his guilt, it doesn't make sense for his mind to continue to try and trick him. 2) Some have brought up how his children are in exactly the same position and are the same age in which they were in his memory. Initially, I thought of this as perhaps a reason for why I was wrong, but after seeing it again, I realized a few things: Their position, while in the same area as his memory, is not identical. James and Phillipa have actually switched places. Also, they are indeed older than in the memory (something that is confirmed by the credits on IMDB actually, hehe). Additionally, some have postulated that Dom has been on the run far too long, though I do not believe to be true. In the phone call after the botched first job, it's evident they are still quite young, as James does not have a grasp on the concept of death. If you want to believe that is also a dream too, then I feel you're back in the field of counterproductivity. 3) The spinning of the totem is the big one for a lot of people. It's very evident that it's indeed slowing down and wobbling, but the cut to black leaves us with that nagging feeling. Some have said the amount of time the totem is spinning is far too long anyway, but I disagree, since the first time Dom spins it it remains for roughly the same amount of time. Also, the fact that Dom revealed how the totem works to Ariadne has led to some to believe that this makes the spinning a non-factor (those believing Ariadne actually performed inception on Dom), and that it's also not initially his. Since it's previous owner (Mal) is dead, that latter point is a not an issue. Also, Ariadne did not touch or hold the totem, so she could not possibly it's texture nor it's weight. That's about all I can do for tonight. Feel free to comment or disagree. I'd love to have some more discussion with regards to this movie. 
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zingy
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Absolutely flawless. Regarding the ending, I've read all the theories here, and I'd say that most likely, he's in the real world. I think it was obviously losing speed, no matter how fast it cut-to-black right after that. However, the opinion Magnus posted...that'd be AWESOME if this was actually what happened. Which makes me want to believe that.
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Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:31 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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This is one of the best movies I've seen. Pantheon material for sure. This is what it was like to watch movies like Apocalypse Now, Dr. Strangelove, Pulp Fiction, Rear Window, etc. in theatres. Inception will go down as one of 'the movies' from this era. It's an ingenious idea perfectly executed. I don't think you could come up with a film on this concept - dream heisting or w/e, and do a better job at following through on it than this. I really don't think there's a thing I'd change about this film. Not one comes to mind. Here's the thing I find most astonishing about the degree of difficulty in making this film. It spends an incredible amount of time telling us stuff we need to know... how the dream walking stuff works, how the plan will be carried out, about Leo's past. By all accounts it has more expository dialog than any film this year. But it all works. Somehow Shutter Island had half the exposition and was completley destroyed by it, but Inception actually feels better for all of it. I guess it's not exposition that deflates films, it's unneeded exposition. Everything in Inception is needed. Thematically I guess it all fits. The film is one giant unraveling mystery. There's the mystery of the world Nolan sets up (explained mostly early on), the mystery of the Leo and Mal bit, Fisher is striving towards a mystery, the entire Inception sequence we as the audience have no idea where we're going next. And of course it ends on a mystery. One of my favorite parts of the film is in the first half when it's revealed Page is a huge voyeur. Not only by coming back after getting a taste of the dream world, but when she goes into Leo's to essentially spy on it. Page is one of us. She wants to know more. I also believe that's why she pushes them to go into the 4th level. She wanted to see it. Leo and Mal originally got caught in limbo because they were looking too deep, they were too curious. Leo's job is to extract info from dreams - to extract the mystery. His dream is to solve the mystery of his children's faces. Ultimately I think he stays in the 4th dimension just to see what happens next. My interpretation of the end I think he's in a dream. There's some clues like the children's placing set up exactly like his memory, the top never spinning that long in the past. But the biggest one to me is the illogacy of the Leo, Saito meeting. Why would Saito be in Leo's limbo, wouldn't he be in his own? If he is in his own, why is Leo there? Why is Saito old and Leo young, both should age accordingly if they are in the same limbo. Why are Leo's eyes black? What exactly happens between Mal and ending up in that water? None of this is explained, we just get Leo in the water like in the middle of a dream. There doesn't have to be an explanation. I believe we - and Leo - jump from falling building sequence to water to Saito meeting like in a dream, and all of this is done so Leo can have the limbo he wants. The limbo where he doesn't know it's not real... where the truth is locked away in the safe, or in this case left on the table without being seen. It reminds me of the scene in the Sixth Sense (of all movies) where we learn Bruce never goes in the basement because he doesn't want to. I think Leo knew he'd never found Saito and didn't care to. It was a red herring to get Page away. He knew he wasn't coming back. Oh and the big loser here is the Matrix. It just looks like a really downgraded version of Inception now, like the cheap, shoddy gunfire heavy imitator that actually came 10 years first. Thanks for 10 years Matrix, but you can retire now
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xiayun
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I don't really think Matrix loses any value because of Inception, at least not the original Matrix. They tackled different philosophical aspects, and both did so brilliantly.
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