Which fake thing is the most believable?
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Groucho
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snackwyck wrote: abstraction neither grants you salvation nor does it display a lack of ignorance. from what I can see, neither does religion.
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Michael A
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Argos wrote: John Savage wrote: Well I actually believe in some abstract form of the concept of "god" so I would pick that. The only god you (and everyone else) can believe in is an abstract one, for a concrete one has - for obvious reasons - never been sighted. billions of christians/muslims/jews/hindus and dozens of other religious entities would argue heartily.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:57 am |
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Michael A
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snackwyck wrote: abstraction neither grants you salvation nor does it display a lack of ignorance. If you wish to delve into my beliefs I don't expect that something such as "salvation" would be decided on my beliefs, if it exists at all. I actually do wish for a lack of ignorance, as I clearly express. And while I do have copious amounts of it, I'm trying my best to fix that.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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John Savage wrote: Argos wrote: John Savage wrote: Well I actually believe in some abstract form of the concept of "god" so I would pick that. The only god you (and everyone else) can believe in is an abstract one, for a concrete one has - for obvious reasons - never been sighted. billions of christians/muslims/jews/hindus and dozens of other religious entities would argue heartily. How?
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Groucho
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John Savage wrote: Argos wrote: John Savage wrote: Well I actually believe in some abstract form of the concept of "god" so I would pick that. The only god you (and everyone else) can believe in is an abstract one, for a concrete one has - for obvious reasons - never been sighted. billions of christians/muslims/jews/hindus and dozens of other religious entities would argue heartily. As did the followers of Zeus and Quezacotl.
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:16 am |
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snack
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omg quezacotl! I love him!
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:14 am |
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TonyMontana
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From the responses so far, I count 6 responses for intelligent space beings, 4 for God, and 3 for Zombies. There is no love for Santa Claus or Bigfoot, which is odd considering that Santa Claus is really the only arguably non-fake thing on the list as Saint Nicholas was a real person (if history books are to be believed).
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:18 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Exactly. Saint Nick was a historical figure, and through time and storytelling he became mythical figure with superpowers. So, he's real, but just blown out of proportion. Kind of like Jesus!
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Proud Ryu
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This should be a poll - it's a fun question
My rank starting w/ most believable:
Intelligent alien life: Far and away the most probable, and the Drake equation estimates the number of civilizations in only our galaxy with which we could conceivable communicate, let alone that merely exist in other places, and makes it close to certain there is something 'out there' that could be labelled intelligent life. Depending perhaps a bit on how you define intelligence, given how big the known universe alone is, let alone the potential for parallel universes, I'd give the chance at least 95%.
Bigfoot: Assuming we mean a wandering ape that is some sort of missing link between humans and other primates, essentially nil as it flies in the face of any concept of evolution. .000000001% chance Zombies: Need to specify human zombies or any life form - it's at least conceivable that a life form could cease to be alive by most definitions and then reanimate to meet the definition again, at least for a short time. Human zombies though - nil. .00000000000001% chance God: The question here again is, how do you define God? Depending on that definition, it's either 0 or 100%, but assuming a 'typical' definition, essentially 0%, but since we don't 'know' (and can never 'know'), .00000000..(a hell of a lot more zeros)..0000001% chance. Santa Claus: Well, we know Santa 'exists' as a character, as he is fairly well-defined, at least in each culture, but we also know he doesn't live at the north pole and deliver presents on his flying sleigh to all the believers, but assuming that's what you mean, then 0% chance.
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:19 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Proud Ryu wrote: God: The question here again is, how do you define God? Depending on that definition, it's either 0 or 100%, but assuming a 'typical' definition, essentially 0%, but since we don't 'know' (and can never 'know'), .00000000..(a hell of a lot more zeros)..0000001% chance. ...or is it a heaven of a lot more zeros?
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:34 pm |
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Proud Ryu
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Proud Ryu wrote: God: The question here again is, how do you define God? Depending on that definition, it's either 0 or 100%, but assuming a 'typical' definition, essentially 0%, but since we don't 'know' (and can never 'know'), .00000000..(a hell of a lot more zeros)..0000001% chance. ...or is it a heaven of a lot more zeros? heehee... whichever is more.
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:06 pm |
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Michael A
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Argos wrote: John Savage wrote: Argos wrote: John Savage wrote: Well I actually believe in some abstract form of the concept of "god" so I would pick that. The only god you (and everyone else) can believe in is an abstract one, for a concrete one has - for obvious reasons - never been sighted. billions of christians/muslims/jews/hindus and dozens of other religious entities would argue heartily. How? Abraham and God were drinking chums.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:14 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Proud Ryu wrote: This should be a poll - it's a fun question
My rank starting w/ most believable:
Intelligent alien life: Far and away the most probable, and the Drake equation estimates the number of civilizations in only our galaxy with which we could conceivable communicate, let alone that merely exist in other places, and makes it close to certain there is something 'out there' that could be labelled intelligent life. Depending perhaps a bit on how you define intelligence, given how big the known universe alone is, let alone the potential for parallel universes, I'd give the chance at least 95%.
Bigfoot: Assuming we mean a wandering ape that is some sort of missing link between humans and other primates, essentially nil as it flies in the face of any concept of evolution. .000000001% chance Zombies: Need to specify human zombies or any life form - it's at least conceivable that a life form could cease to be alive by most definitions and then reanimate to meet the definition again, at least for a short time. Human zombies though - nil. .00000000000001% chance God: The question here again is, how do you define God? Depending on that definition, it's either 0 or 100%, but assuming a 'typical' definition, essentially 0%, but since we don't 'know' (and can never 'know'), .00000000..(a hell of a lot more zeros)..0000001% chance. Santa Claus: Well, we know Santa 'exists' as a character, as he is fairly well-defined, at least in each culture, but we also know he doesn't live at the north pole and deliver presents on his flying sleigh to all the believers, but assuming that's what you mean, then 0% chance. Good post. As for polls... I don't do polls. I had a deeply traumatic poll related event in my childhood that I don't want to discuss. Below is my ranking from most believable to least believable, although it should be noted I find them all highly unbelievable. And, forget I picked Zombies earlier - that was more of a wish that they will eventually exist, not an endorsement that I think they do exist. I didn't really think through my own question. #1. Intelligent Alien Life - I do strongly believe in the possibility of very primitive or simple life occurring off of Earth... single cell amoebas or cats. But, complex intelligent life, such as humans, monkeys, or dogs is highly questionable in my mind. But, I believe in the remote possibility. With that being said, as Groucho pointed out, this doesn't mean I believe in aliens visiting us in UFOs. If that were the option, it would be at the bottom of this list. #2. God - The concept of God makes little to no sense to me, and the concept feels more like a crutch to explain what we don't know. A professor in college remarked to me once that the more primitive (and stupid) a culture is, the bigger their "God world" is (everything they can't explain is God), and I found that to be very true and telling. Still, on the whole the human race is still primitive and there is a lot we can not explain, and do not know. So, it's difficult to rule out the concept 100%. #3. Bigfoot - 8 foot tall monkeys running around the woods would leave a ton of evidence... from bones to bigfoot poop. Plus in this day of everyone having a camera strapped to them at all times, we still don't get any good shots from "witnesses". #4. Santa Claus - As I pointed out, he's based on a real character, but the concept as we know it isn't true. #5. Zombies - There simply is no evidence yet of re-animated dead people. Unless you count Dick Clark.
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Michael A
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I'm forced to ask tony, what exactly you mean by god? Are you referring to a specific form as defined by the christian, islam, jewish or some other major religion or simply the basic concept? I honestly believe that there is some form of a mystical being that has a certain amount of power or control over the human race and our existence.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Argos
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Nature?
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:57 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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John Savage wrote: I honestly believe that there is some form of a mystical being that has a certain amount of power or control over the human race and our existence. Tee, hee...
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Chippy
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Oh my!
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Bradley Witherberry
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Naïvete is just so gosh darn cute sometimes!
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Chippy
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I honestly can not understand WHY anyone would even want to believe that!
I couldn't imagine living my life not making my own decisions.
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... however foolish they may be.
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:41 pm |
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snack
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Michael A
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Chip Munkington wrote: I honestly can not understand WHY anyone would even want to believe that!
I couldn't imagine living my life not making my own decisions. I didn't say I believe in an unquestioning form of fate, simply that there is something beyond humanity that has some small influence over it.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Argos
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The sun?
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:51 pm |
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Michael A
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lol
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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