The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
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getluv
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munke what r u whistling about, u haven't even seen it.
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:01 am |
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makeshift
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trixster wrote: I knew Fincher was the wrong guy to direct this.
The biggest problem is that he's a dark, cynical, misanthropic filmmaker, and this is a tale requiring a fantastical, wondrous imagination. Fincher's pessimistic sensibilities end up clashing with the optimism the story presents, and he's never quite certain how to reconcile it. As a result, he ends up shooting the whole thing without any style or tone, and it becomes rather bland and plain for what it is. It never captures the premise in an interesting or exciting fashion, and the (rather boring) story is pushed to the forefront. If the script was stronger, maybe that wouldn't have been a problem, but it's not, and the whole film suffers because of it.
I mean, the visuals are pretty, but Fincher never allows us to recognize this. Instead of letting the shots linger and the beautiful vistas soak into our mind, he constantly cuts, chopping the whole thing up to make it as uninteresting as possible. The tugboat attack sequence is a perfect example of this. If Fincher had just let the shots rest, or even used one of his trademark tracking shots, the whole scene would've opened up and allowed the true beauty of the sequence to come to light. But he doesn't. The whole film is chopped into pieces - narratively, formally, and thematically.
There's still a lot to like here, but they're in moments separated by eons of awkward pauses and lingering looks. The opening tale, with its silent film influence and grainy look, is a truly innovative way to start the story off, but there's very little of that throughout the film. Only stuff like the constant lightning bolts and the 'what if' segment even measure up. The bulk of the film is lacking in any sort of creativity.
It's also far too long, with nothing necessitating such a length, far too similar to Forrest Gump (though not nearly as insulting and idiotic as that film), and far too focused on its utterly trite and moronic frame story, complete with Hurricane Katrina bearing down. It's basically a few brilliant moments trapped in a uninteresting movie - much like Benjamin Button trapped in his frail old body.
Probably one of the biggest disappointments in my moviegoing life. I agree with a lot of this, especially the stuff about the editing. I kind of thought Fincher had a handle on how to edit his movies after Zodiac - which is masterful - but apparently not. Benjamin Button is definitely lass than the sum of its parts, but I did enjoy it for the most part.
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:06 am |
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Tyler
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Gulli wrote: Don't get the Gump comparisons, they both are a journey through a time period but thats where the link ends. They're both on a boat with a crusty man marginally older, they both have framing stories, they both have big storms, they both have war sequences after they wondered where the war was, they both have their childhood loves part and then come back together, their loves both have minor parental figures that aren't very likable, they both have that avian symbol (feather, hummingbird), hell, they even have "aged" footage, they're both Southern-fried, both characters are fairly passive (though not quite cyphers), and both have black friends or surrogates in racially volatile times. And they both have "let's finally fuck" moments. A lot of that is superficial and me just taking the piss, but a lot of it makes Roth look lazy.
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:50 am |
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Snrub
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Loved it.
A (maybe A+, need some time to let it settle)
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:49 pm |
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Price
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Haven't seen it. A+. Just to piss off trixster.
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:56 pm |
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trixster
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I'm not pissed off by those who love it. I can see why they do. This is not a WALL-E-like situation of the film being bizarrely overpraised. This one just rubbed me the wrong way.
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:24 pm |
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kypade
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Me too. It's unfortunately pretty bland and boring. The actors, the writer and Fincher were all a little, yknow, bad. Well, mostly.
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Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:42 pm |
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Thegun
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Awesome. Not the best film ever made, but really every aspect is in top form. Visually its amazing for such a real story with a fantasy idea. I loved so much about this film. If this movie doesnt get an oscar for something, it'll be retarded
A+
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:42 am |
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snack
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umm...ok aside from all the other gump similarities, was button supposed to be a little bit retarded?
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:43 am |
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snack
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anyways, we'll start with what I appreciated (quite a bit) about this film: that it's a big, successful movie that is not a franchise blockbuster, animated, or a bad comedy. an adult movie, finally. except it wasn't a very good one for the most part. going along with the fact that it's a big but (intended to be) serious movie, I really loved some of what Fincher was trying to do here: giving up his trademark digital-age trickery and cynicism and strive for real, old school cinema magic. and there were definitely moments that achieved this magic, unfortunately strung together by a limp wire of generic plotting, dialogue, and visuals, I was so proud of FIncher when he made Zodiac....he, for the first time in his career, showed enough restraint to make a good movie. He restrained himself once again, but to a different, completely uninteresting effect. the supposedly "important" themes of this movie were explored so superficially that they were reduced to no more than motifs. While I don't think I felt the "cold, detached" quality all of the haters are ascribing to the film while watching it, several hours later, I feel no attachment to it whatsoever, which, for characters I rode along with for three hours, I should. button's "death by birth" could have been such an effective, interesting, memorable exploration...but ultimately I'm left with only the notion "lol is he gonna turn into an embryo????"
cate was great, and what the hell was the point of katrina?
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:11 am |
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kypade
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Katrina pretty much fails the movie on its own. Terrible, terrible idea. Dumbest thing in any movie this year.
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:16 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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kypade wrote: Katrina pretty much fails the movie on its own. Terrible, terrible idea. Dumbest thing in any movie this year. +1
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:18 am |
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JURiNG
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Won't be seeing it until February.. but at least, it looked like my currently top 10 is kind of set/final 
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:51 am |
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Johnny Dollar
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It's mostly a disappointment. Trixster is dead-on when it comes to Fincher; the movie will every-so-often drift into flights of whimsy that seem crazy out-of-place amidst the church-like seriousness of the rest of the piece. Fincher never allows the movie to maintain a consistent tone. And for all the care and money thrown at the visuals, there's really no life to be found in any of them. Ironic, considering the film.
And the biggest problem is Benjamin Button himself. Pitt's fine with what he's given; which is to say, absolutely nothing. Button is a complete blank, just a genteel southern robot who maintains his childlike demeanor right through to the end. What a boring guy. Watching him Gump his way through various encounters in the firs half of the film is tough. The movie improves once Blanchett enters the picture because at least with the romance we have something tangible to invest in.
The question to ask is: if Benjamin Button weren't aging in reverse, would you want to watch a movie about him? Absolutely not. It's a gimmick in need of a character.
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what was so bad about Katrina? They all obviously lived in Louisiana and it was bound to affect them, as well as giving the story a specific time point. It continued the metaphor of impending doom. Everyone who knew about Benjamin's condition knew his fate. Benjamin knew he couldn't raise a child or have a lasting relationship with a woman,
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:18 pm |
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trixster
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MG Casey wrote: what was so bad about Katrina? They all obviously lived in Louisiana and it was bound to affect them, as well as giving the story a specific time point. It continued the metaphor of impending doom. Everyone who knew about Benjamin's condition knew his fate. Benjamin knew he couldn't raise a child or have a lasting relationship with a woman, It tied the movie down to a specific time period and era, contradicting the fantasy elements of the story. This was a problem with the whole movie, actually. It had this wondrous, fantastical premise - and chose to go the Forrest Gump route, superficially referencing historical events that had no purpose other than to tie the story down. It's, again, a problem with the director. Fincher is a dark, gritty, realist filmmaker - and Benjamin Button is a whimsical story. There's a fundamental problem there that never gets resolved.
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:21 pm |
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Jim Halpert
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my problem is this film should have been an epic romantic fairytale. They shouldn't have tried to place this in a real world setting. We're talking about a man that ages backwards and tried to make it as realistic as possible. We know this couldn't be realistic, so go all out in the fantasy of it. fincher grounded the story instead of letting it bloom
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:18 pm |
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neo_wolf
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A technical achievement but not much else, i didnt care much about the characters and the story was bland. This is probably the most well made movie on a technical level i have seen this year, unfortunally it lacks everything else.
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:20 am |
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Johnny Dollar
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Regardless of the director they hired, this flimsy script was never going to work.
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MadGez
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Thats how i feel about Wall-E - cant understand the love for it.
But Magnus you also disliked Zodiac, hence we are certainly dont agree regarding Fincher.
But I can understand why some people dont like this film at all. Dont agree but understand and valid points are made especially regarding the hospital scenes.
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:54 pm |
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Awsome movie.  visuals are great and the ending just broke my heart. A+
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MadGez
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Rorschach wrote: MadGez wrote: Thats how i feel about Wall-E - cant understand the love for it.
But Magnus you also disliked Zodiac, hence we are certainly dont agree regarding Fincher.
But I can understand why some people dont like this film at all. Dont agree but understand and valid points are made especially regarding the hospital scenes. I just do not like 00s Fincher. LOVE 90s Fincher. Don't like 00s Fincher. I like em all except Panic Room whch was just ok. Apart from Seven I like his 00 stuff more.
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:16 pm |
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getluv
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I think Katrina does add to the story. and so do the hospital scenes. not only is it used to highlight the difference in time in New Orleans, but it plays on the whole notion of death, the unexpected and choices we make in life.
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:40 pm |
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Passionate Thug
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This was just an average movie to me, C at best. I have no desire to watch it again or recommend it. Amazing the only scene that sticks in my mind is his death scene for how stupid it is.
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:51 pm |
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Chippy
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The hospital scenes were by far the worst part of the movie and should have never been in the movie. He kept trying to make it about damn Daisy when it's Button's movie!!!
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