Well...the 2008 Contenders Discussion Thread
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Shack
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I'm really hoping Vicky Cristina Barcelona gets in the race. TDK and Vicky as BP nominees would make my year, no matter what the rest are.
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snack
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Miracle at St. Anna is definitely completely out at this point. Another contender bites the dust. Went from likely, to less so, to not at all in just a few months.
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:07 am |
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Shack
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I lost my faith in it as soon as I saw the trailer. The scenes with Gordon-Levitt and the guy in prison screamed overwrought fail.
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:46 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Blindness is out as well.
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MadGez
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roo wrote: I'm just not feeling it for Frost/Nixon beyond acting. It's Ron Howard! Replace it with TDK. Agree totally. As Magnus said - this years batch are much weaker than most years (especially last year). Im throwing my lot behind Curious Case of Ben Button. Looks amazing.
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Dr. Lecter
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Hmm, not sure about it being weaker. Opinion's still out on flicks like The Reader, Revoluationary Road and Australia.
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The Reader will officially open this year (December 12), by the way. There was speculation whether it actually would or not because of the bickering between Harvey Weinstein and Scott Rudin.
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Tyler
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I don't see it going anywhere. There's so many milquetoast dramas this year.
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Shack
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I would normally agree, but in this case I think Daldry is a huge X factor. When you have guy that got Best Director noms for his first two films, of which racked up 12 nominations between them, you might as well give him the benefit of the doubt for his third. On that note, has there EVER been a director who got nominated for his first three films? There probably can't be many who did two.
There's also the Kate Winslet factor... and it mixes WWII, court drama, and romance... and the early test screenings are apparantely good.
To be honest, if the academy hadn't turned the tables recently and gone for violence and edge while rejecting the typical bait plots, I'd say it'd be the frontrunner without question at this point.
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:37 am |
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Shack
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Fuck it, I'm predicting W.
The Dark Knight Gran Torino W. The Wrestler The Reader
Decided that with three Best Actor centric films, The Soloist, Frost/Nixon, and Milk would have a tougher time getting some. So went with a female orientated one (The Reader).
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:01 pm |
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snack
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Shack wrote: Fuck it, I'm predicting W.
The Dark Knight Gran Torino W. The Wrestler The Reader
Decided that with three Best Actor centric films, The Soloist, Frost/Nixon, and Milk would have a tougher time getting some. So went with a female orientated one (The Reader). The Reader is not enough. The other four are WAY too masculine to all get in.
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Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:56 pm |
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Shack
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2004 was pretty male dominated... MDB, The Aviator, Ray, Findng Neverland, all had Best Actor nominations, and the 5th nominee, Sideways, of course had the infamous Giamatti snub.
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The Dark Knight wrote: I think
The Dark Knight Curious Case of Benjamin Button Milk Gran Torino
and either Reader/Australia/Slumdog Millionaire/Revolutionary Road/Frost Nixon/Doubt
is probably the most realistic line-up anyone can come up with. We use the word lock A TON around award circles but assuming Gran Torino delivers, I think those 4 are very safe locky bets.
The pundits that are not predicting TDK (surprisingly, almost every award website) are fooling themselves. Curious Case and Milk appear to be real no-brainer choices.
It's that 5th slot that's really up for debate. Will Australia limp in? Will Reo Road or Reader coast to a BP nom with mass acting noms? Or will Slumdog charm the fuck out of everyone?
I'd agree with this assessment. Although, I'd maybe throw Gran Torino in the mix with Reader/Australia, etc. and say the last two spots are up for grabs from those films. And that's mostly because we still don't have anything official yet to indicate at the quality of Gran Torino. If I had to predict today, I'd say... Australia The Curious Case of Benjamin Button The Dark Knight Milk Revolutionary Road (though I feel this is going to go the way of Closer and open the spot up to The Reader)
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Shack
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I think loyal's post it probably the most logical guess, at this point I just like going 100% gut. W. is a longshot, but what the hell  Something tells me The Wrestler will strike a chord more than Slumdog, and it seems to have more weight in Best Actor and Best Supporting Actress. Just wanted to throw out one more sleeper into the mix, Shanghai. Not much word on it but it's a '40s pre- Pearl Harbour period piece, an ex-pat goes to Shanghai to investigate a friend's death. Has John Cusack, Gong Li, Ken Watanabe, Chow Yun-Fat, and Rinko. I'd love to see Cusack finally get a nomination, one of my faves. Movie as a whole could deliver though.
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junio
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But Clint has never been nominated for his scores.
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Shack
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Quote: It looked as though the Rudin/Weinstein thing had gone away after Patrick Goldstein reported that they had agreed to settle on a handshake for the sake of the film, The Reader. After that, Harvey Weinstein wrote to the NY Post where he challenged Nikki Finke to produce the email that accused him of pressuring Sydney Pollack on his death bed and various other sorts of things. He said he would give $1 million to charity if she could produce it. One thing people should know about Nikki Finke, contrary to what I’ve read on lesser read sites about her: she doesn’t lie. She might give more drama to a situation than it deserves, throw around words some people find distasteful but she tells the truth, for better or worse. Perhaps Harvey Weinstein didn’t know this about her and assumed that, as most people do, because it comes from a blog it is suspect.
Well, of course she produced the email and now says that Scott Rudin admitted to her that it was his email. Now the story is exposed for all to see, including Matt Drudge. What does it say ultimately? It says that Harvey Weinstein will do anything to fight for his films, including pressuring a dying a man. That is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on who you are and where you’ve come from. What is the probable fallout of this?
Here’s the thing about Oscar voters. The same way that animals will find higher ground before anyone knows a tsunami is about to crash on shore so do voters run for cover at the slightest whiff of controversy. This is why The Kite Runner had no shot and why Lynn Redgrave didn’t win her Oscar and why Julia Roberts postponed her breakup with Benjamin Bratt until after she won her Oscar. In the voting booth, if you aren’t obligated to vote because of friendship or business, you are voting on instinct. Usually this means that you will shy away from any sort of weirdness, whether rational or not. In Oscar’s case bad publicity isn’t good publicity. That means that The Reader now has to work all of that out before it can launch a full scale Oscar run. The way I look at it, though, the movie is roughly in the same spot as if it had waited to be released in 2009. It would still be way off of Oscar’s radar.
On the other hand, if the story goes away - like if Rudin and Weinstein appear together and laugh about it, the story deflates significantly. I would suggest an in-depth confessional on Charlie Rose or else a lighter version on Shootout.
(from AD) Awkward. Score one for Nikki Finke. 
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Dr. Lecter
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Um, yes, sure, the Oscar voters shy away from controversy.
That's why they gave the Best Director Oscar to a convicted teen molester. Hmm.
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Rachel Getting Married: Rotten Tomatoes - 79% with 24 reviews (average rating 7.6; COTC: 100%, 8.2!) Metacritic - 84 (16 reviews, 4 100's!!!) BFCA - 72 A giant "WTF?" to BFCA. I know that there are still plenty of reviews to come, but... is this the biggest discrepancy we've seen in the history of critics ratings? Hathaway and the screenplay are still pratically locked methinks, Winger/DeWitt have a good shot if they don't cancel each other out, and the movie will def. be nominated for Best Comedy at the Globes. As for BP, I still hope it makes it and I'm holding to that thought a few more days, but that score from the BFCA pratically ruined its chances...  still, it has a better shot than Vicky and company....
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Shack
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The RT score will balance out IMO... Look at who wrote the six negatives - comingsoon.net, Metromix.com, MSNBC, Film Freak Central, Compuserve, and Cinema Signals. All the real critics loved it. I think this is looking pretty good.
I'm still not sure if it's a comedy, if it is, I think it has a MUCH better chance of getting nominated. Oscar shys away from these small Americana dramas like Little Children, The Ice Storm, etc. Being the niche comedy choice makes things a lot easier.
I dunno what's up with BFCA. Do they update as more reviews come in like RT and MC or what?
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Shack
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Body of Lies reviews coming in, Variety hated it, HR liked it as a taught spy thriller and Jeff Wells as usual is all "you don't like a movie saying stuff about our country and the middle east? zomg, fuck you", but in any case I think we can count it out... I think it's clearly being as an audience action moneymaker than an Oscar contender. I expect mid 70s on RT, standard ground for Ridley. http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117938 ... =1263&cs=1http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/fil ... &rid=11753http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/10/ ... _phone.php
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Shack
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RGM's up to 83%, 35 fresh now and 7 rotten, the extra rotten is AGAIN from a shit publication (Can Magazine).
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Rachel is not getting in. It's too "indie" for Oscar voters, despite it's A-List star and relatively friendly trailer. Also, it's definitely not a comedy.
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Shack
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Up late much snack?
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Dr. Lecter
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I agree, Rachel's not getting in as BP. It's all acting and screenplay, I'd say. Not BP material.
Best Body of Lies can hope for is am acting nom (hey Crowe gained 40 lbs. for it or so!).
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I don't even think Rachel has much of a shot at screenplay.
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