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What grade would you give this film?
A 61%  61%  [ 34 ]
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Original review from: 22 January 2008

Cloverfield: Cloverfoolishness


Wow - -- another brilliant film!!!

:lol: - - just kidding...

What a waste of 68 minutes!

I didn't buy the story or the camcorder conceit. The theme of narcissism in emo's could have just as easily been done with a standard camera position and the characters still carrying their camera. It wasn't even consistently applied. The less said about the storyline the better - the main search for the bff was ridiculous, the soldiers supporting their quest was ridiculous, etc, etc, etc. The extended close-up of the monster at the end, blew the effect of minimal viewing which had been one of the movies few assets.

I was happy to see the couple die at the end, but even then I was sad not to get to see a shot of NY getting nuked as they get blown out of the sky in an escaping helicopter.

1 out of 5.


(((I think it was Roger Ebert who suggested the one true way to watch this film was as a SD card passed to you by a friend to watch on your own tiny cam screen, or even on your cellphone. If the producers had been bold enough to release it in that format, I might reverse my decision and rate this a modern classic.)))


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Probabbly the best disaster movie I've ever seen.

Best film so far in 2008

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CLOVERFIELD - 9/10 (A)

This was brilliant! So well-done, with surprisingly really good performances from the cast, especially Michael Stahl-David. Part of me is really glad I didn't see it on the big screen because I'd probably have gotten sick or it would have given me a headache, but part of me wishes I would have. I probably would have found the way it was filmed to be more annoying on the big screen, but it also would have felt more real. I will admit that the camera movement did get on my nerves at times, but the way the movie is filmed makes it better and it feels more intimate so overall I'm fine with it.

I cannot believe that this film cost just 25 Million to make. The effects were incredible! It seemed like it cost at least 150 Million. The effects here were much better than those you see in big budget blockbusters such as I Am Legend, which had the worst effects I've seen in ages for a movie that cost so much.

Currently this is the best film of the year, and by the end it should remain one of the year's best.


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This review has a spoiler about the ending.

I agree with the last two reviews. One of my favorite films of the decade.

It blends realism with the demand for a story pretty well. If you go expecting a lot of realism or expecting a big summer blockbuster, you'll probably be disappointed. It's a good mix in the middle, I found the style very comfortable as it went on.

At the beginning I couldn't stand the main characters, they seemed like superficial yuppie types. But as it went on I was surprised how much I came to like them. I'm sure that was how I was supposed to feel, and they did a good job with that arc of making them more appealing.

Since no movie is perfect, here's a few nitpicks:

- Too many uses of Oh my god, and oh god. It got repetitive.
- The romantic lead girl that they go to save was the least interesting and attractive of the women in the movie.
- They probably shouldn't have killed Hud. He would have been great in a sequel.

All in all, for its modest budget I felt like I got more movie in this than I have in a long time.


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- Too many uses of Oh my god, and oh god. It got repetitive.


Indeed. It was PG-13, though...otherwise (and realistically) we'd be hearing far more "Fuck"s instead.

I'm glad you liked it!

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Meant to post this a while back, but hey, better late than never.

http://wannabesnob.blogspot.com/2008/04/cloverfield-m-reeves-2008.html

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Cloverfield is somehow at once one of the most frustrating, one of the dumbest, one of the smartest, and one of the most thought-provoking films I've seen in a while, leaving my mind in a constant state of thought both positive and very negative that would lead to thoughts of why these thoughts are so negative. To put it as simply as possible, it is about as good a way to kick off the movie year for me as possible.

Now, first I want to get to the biggest flaw of the film, which would be, quite simply, its style. I have never seen The Blair Witch Project, so I have no movie to really compare it with, but by downgrading to the simplest of filmmaking techniques, the film leaves itself at a disadvantage in a genre known for logic problems. What I'm saying is, by trying to put itself at the simplest point of view (An amateur video diary), one should expect slightly more...sporadic filming techniques. Now, I will admit at times it gets almost sickening to watch it, but the film gives itself too much mise en scène to fully let go of the idea that what we're watching was totally on the fly as the unprofessional cameraman tries fighting for his life with his friends. In perhaps a more picky area of opinion, it also gets distracting how clean the lapses in time are, how nearly 12 hours of activity were condensed so easily into just little over an hour of tape, appearing to turn the camera off and on just seconds before the next big event. Again, it's picky, but these are the problems filmmakers must consider when they choose such a POV, no?

Another problem that arises from this filmmaking technique is the thematic issues of the film, which are brought more alive by the camcorder perspective, yet in doing so reveal the flaws more so than if the film took a more traditional route. The main arc of the film is nothing new (Off the top of my head I know at least The Day After Tomorrow used the "loved ones of trapped individual go on quest to save them" plotline...I'm sure there are more), but again, there's a certain air of "whywhywhy?" to scenes like the one where the group climbs 50 flights of stairs to jump from one building to the collapsed one right next to it.

And yet, in spite of all of these leaps of logic, I found myself enthralled and contemplative of this world, one that is essentially meant to be 9/11 times thousand, except there is no hope to be found at the end. perhaps the best way to come to terms with the little -isms of the technical aspects is in how similar leaps in logic must almost always be applied to types of literature that go for a similar perspective, such as a diary, with its perfectly paced entries making for good storytelling.

As for the thematic areas of storytelling, for me even the moments where these characters go and make slightly crazed decisions are balanced out by the very large story that surrounds them, and how, in the great scheme of it all, the only thing that sets their story of doomed escape from other stories is that their's has been taped. The concept of putting a disaster story on a personal scale is still almost always dwarfed by the larger story at hand, one that the filmmakers seem to easily prefer. Here, the personal story is both very much at the forefront of the film, yet in the end, how much will their story matter? Who will care to watch their story of a futile rescue, outside of whoever gets the job of viewing evidence from Incident Site U.S. 447? Now, that's not to say these guys really deserve to be remembered. The fact that I only remember the name of the camera guy (Hud?) speaks volumes about how these characters work on a personal level, but most of these these feelings about the film arise not from the characters themselves, but what surrounds them and what it means to the millions of likely dead in Manhattan. If one is willing to contemplate it, the film gives service both to the dreams of heroism during a great tragedy, and the nightmare of being forgotten among the many.

Cloverfield is not without flaws. But it does have certain things going for it, if you're willing to look for them. It is unfortunate that the hype earlier this year has buried it under an avalanche of bad reactions, and that it'll be a while before it can recover. However, as it stands right now, Cloverfield is that rare find from this early in a film year, a film that intrigues the cinematic mind technically and thematically, and I will be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't stay near the top of my favorite films for the year for the next few months.


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While I did enjoy the film, I felt that it was probably rushed through quick in production. It could've been really great, but instead it's just pretty good.

Everything leading up to the attack was fine, the beginning sequences of the attack were great, but then the film goes into a far more generic route route making it a rescue story. What I wanted to get out of the film was how would people actually react if this went down in real life and the whole damsel in distress story arch ruined that, I mean, it totally beat what I thought was the whole premise of the film straight to the ground.

Four people are going to walk into the direction of some big ass monster while the military is firing all sorts of shit at it just to find out if some girl they know is still alive? GTFO

They changed that whole arch and this movie is already 5x better.

Even though I hated that and felt they rushed a few other things without really thinking them trough, it's still an impressive film for the budget and a nice stepping stone for a very interesting idea in film making.

Grade - B-ish?

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The title of Manohla Dargis' review is still the only brilliant thing about this movie:
We’re All Gonna Die! Grab Your Video Camera!


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Brilliant title :funny:


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I think it's idiotic to criticize the way people act in a disaster movie... when nobody really has ever been in these disasters themselves.

That critic is an idiot.

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Eh. It took a long time for the action to start (it was only about 20 minutes, but it felt much longer). The "action" itself was good. The Camcorder aspect worked for the most part, though it wasn't very realistic IMO. Take for example when Hud and co. were climbing across the roof to get to the other building. It kept facing forward and never showed Hud's hands grabbing the pipes. There were a bunch of little things like that which distracted me. Hud GREATLY irritated me from the moment I saw him. The rest of the characters were pretty meh. I never really cared for them much one way or the other. The only real reason I kept watching was because I wanted the reveal (the monster) and the damn thing was crafted with incredibly elegant and beautiful suspense - camera work, lighting, make-up, etc. was all very conscious to add momentum to the movie (momentum....something many movies lose track of).

As for the reveal, I liked it. I thought it looked really really good and quite scary in the context of the movie. They did all this for only $25 million? That's impressive!

The script was meh, but...it is a camcorder film about a fucking monster attack. I'll let that slide. I agree with El Pollo that the "rescue the damsel" plot device was a bad path to take and ultimately did more harm than good. I also think they should have avoided 5 different endings. And somehow, the ending they went with was the worst. I think they should have ended on the helicopter crash.

B

P.S. What exactly happened to Marlena when she was taken in the military camp? It looked like she exploded.

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I think it's idiotic to criticize the way people act in a disaster movie... when nobody really has ever been in these disasters themselves.

That critic is an idiot.


Umm...no. Manohla Dargis is easily one of the smartest and most well-regarded film critics in the country.


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Munk·E wrote:
I think it's idiotic to criticize the way people act in a disaster movie... when nobody really has ever been in these disasters themselves.

That critic is an idiot.


Umm...no. Manohla Dargis is easily one of the smartest and most well-regarded film critics in the country.


I don't care. Their opinion on Cloverfield is as idiotic as they come.

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Munk·E wrote:
snack wrote:
Munk·E wrote:
I think it's idiotic to criticize the way people act in a disaster movie... when nobody really has ever been in these disasters themselves.

That critic is an idiot.


Umm...no. Manohla Dargis is easily one of the smartest and most well-regarded film critics in the country.


I don't care. Their opinion on Cloverfield is as idiotic as they come.


As is your grammar. :ninja:


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snack wrote:
Munk·E wrote:
snack wrote:
Munk·E wrote:
I think it's idiotic to criticize the way people act in a disaster movie... when nobody really has ever been in these disasters themselves.

That critic is an idiot.


Umm...no. Manohla Dargis is easily one of the smartest and most well-regarded film critics in the country.


I don't care. Their opinion on Cloverfield is as idiotic as they come.


As is your grammar. :ninja:


I see nothing wrong with my grammar. It would be easier if the critic had a name that was clear if they were male or female.

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That woman's arrogance insults me. Yes, I liked the film (a lot) and that makes me biased. And she makes a couple of decent points. But how could that review ever assist a normal person decide whether or not to see a movie? She hated this movie from the get-go, and I don't see one sign in this article that at any point during this movie she gave it a chance and tried to look at it for what it truly was: an innovative monster movie; nothing more, nothing less. But no, this crackpot is looking for a film with the complexity of Citizen Kane (which wasn't without plot holes or implausible situations itself).

It's reviewers like Ms. Dargis that add to the argument that movie critics are irrelevant in today's society.


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Innovative monster movie? B version of Godzilla in a sub-par Blair Witch Project style is hardly innovative.


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I haven't seen it pulled off before. Have you?


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Do you know what innovative means?

You can call Cloverfield as a (somewhat) fresh and new take on a giant monster movie genre - which is totally subjective as I can only see a mesh of already done things, but it's hardly innovative. Didn't do much for the movie in its art or business point of view.


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That woman's arrogance insults me. Yes, I liked the film (a lot) and that makes me biased. And she makes a couple of decent points. But how could that review ever assist a normal person decide whether or not to see a movie? She hated this movie from the get-go, and I don't see one sign in this article that at any point during this movie she gave it a chance and tried to look at it for what it truly was: an innovative monster movie; nothing more, nothing less. But no, this crackpot is looking for a film with the complexity of Citizen Kane (which wasn't without plot holes or implausible situations itself).

It's reviewers like Ms. Dargis that add to the argument that movie critics are irrelevant in today's society.


Just because you can accept and like that a movie is nothing more than stupid doesn't mean she has to. She isn't demanding Citizen Kane, she's demanding a competent film.

And she doesn't seem too out of touch with society: this movie was widely brushed off as "too stupid" following its release, resulting in not even a 2.0 multiplier.


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Ah, I see, all movies with bad multipliers are brushed off as stupid, the frontloading has nothing to do with this, eh?

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Ah, I see, all movies with bad multipliers are brushed off as stupid, the frontloading has nothing to do with this, eh?


When the multiplier is that bad, yes, there's bad WOM. Combined with the fact that pretty much everyone here noticed bad WOM even if they liked the movie, the atrocious legs were clearly not only because this was an "internet movie."


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b.o. wrote:
That woman's arrogance insults me. Yes, I liked the film (a lot) and that makes me biased. And she makes a couple of decent points. But how could that review ever assist a normal person decide whether or not to see a movie? She hated this movie from the get-go, and I don't see one sign in this article that at any point during this movie she gave it a chance and tried to look at it for what it truly was: an innovative monster movie; nothing more, nothing less. But no, this crackpot is looking for a film with the complexity of Citizen Kane (which wasn't without plot holes or implausible situations itself).

It's reviewers like Ms. Dargis that add to the argument that movie critics are irrelevant in today's society.


Just because you can accept and like that a movie is nothing more than stupid doesn't mean she has to. She isn't demanding Citizen Kane, she's demanding a competent film.

And she doesn't seem too out of touch with society: this movie was widely brushed off as "too stupid" following its release, resulting in not even a 2.0 multiplier.


Right. That explains why the reviews that are better than Godzilla and just about any other monster movie of the past decade. Like Lecter said, it sucked up a lot of its main audience opening weekend. DVD sales were still solid, and if anything, the movie dropped so big because its technique was very hit-and-miss with audiences, but I very rarely heard the word "stupid." I never said I accepted the movie as stupid either, because it isn't. I think it's very close to brilliant in its execution. The dialogue, not so much, but it's nowhere as bad as say, a Star Wars prequel, and it's not really what we're here for. The effects and technique were amazing, especially for their budget, and I think a movie that made itself look so epic on screen that cost a tenth of movies like Pirates and Spider-Man can be considered innovative to a degree.


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Right. That explains why the reviews that are better than Godzilla...

Now there's a comparison! :funny:



(If you're talking about the 1998 US version, then almost every movie is better than that - - and if you're talking about the 1954 Japanese classic, then you're dead wrong...)


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Read the whole thread. It makes more sense when you do Brad.


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