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El Maskado
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The "positive" review you shown only gave it 2/5 stars
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:06 pm |
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Michael.
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i never said it was positive, Perhaps your putting words in my mouth?
I have said what 20 times now that Elektra has no real hope of fresh reviews, but i will see it reguardless. Theres no way this is going to be as bad as some of the shit i saw last year even if its horrible.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:14 pm |
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El Maskado
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Naturalflux7 wrote: i never said it was positive, Perhaps your putting words in my mouth?
I have said what 20 times now that Elektra has no real hope of fresh reviews, but i will see it reguardless. Theres no way this is going to be as bad as some of the shit i saw last year even if its horrible.
I dont know. Female comic book movies dont do well. It may not completely bomb but I think its definately over-estimated.
Tank Girl Budget:$25.0m Gross:$4.0m
Supergirl Budget:$35.0m Gross:$14.0m
Red Sonja Budget:$17.9m Gross:$6.9m
Brenda Starr Straight to video
Barbwire Budget:unknown Gross:$3.8m
Sheena,queen of the jungle Budget:$25.0m Gross:$5.8
None of the female comicbook movies I listed do well as history has shown
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:22 pm |
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Kris K
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The Reviews over at RT.
4 Reviews counted. 4 Rotten.
"Ho-hum actioner that's rife with cliches." - 2/4
"Barely skirts schlock "" - 2/5
"Elektra would have been far better off staying dead." - 1/4
"I can’t recommend the result."
I rekon it will pick itself up and finish with around 30-40%.
Weird it's not being screened for critics. Even Catwoman was. Elektra will have no bother beating CW on all accounts.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:13 pm |
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Michael.
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Fox say that the reason theres not be a critics screening is because they finished the film at the last minute. Which makes some sense because the film was done on a very fast shoot and had a much lower budget than Daredevil
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:55 pm |
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El Maskado
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Suuuuuuuuuurreeeeeee
Just like how they said they were holding off screenings for AvP because they are too busy editing it to a PG-13 rating. So maybe they are holding off screenings for the film because the CGI isnt finished to make Garner looks more feminime
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:01 pm |
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Michael.
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Now http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/en ... 440.htm?1c is a positive review
the only thing it really picks on is that the film borrows too much from other projects - and the script is a bit corny sometimes - but is delivered in such a way that it transcends the entertainment that was expected.
Blissfully Ben Affleck-free, the "Daredevil" spin-off "Elektra" benefits greatly from the presence of Jennifer Garner, who steps from the shadows of Hell's Kitchen rooftops into the spotlight of her own butt-kicking chick flick.
She makes "Elektra" so surprisingly effective, it could open doors for other female action heroines. Halle Berry looked fantastic last year in "Catwoman," but it was hard to take her seriously in a stinker of a movie. Michelle Yeoh and Zhang Ziyi were gorgeous and deadly in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," but that was an ensemble film also featuring male warriors. And the women of the "Charlie's Angels" movies can't compare because their tongues were firmly planted in their cheeks while they were kicking bad guys in the face.
But Garner's charms extend beyond the mere physical. Simply by showing up, she makes "Elektra" far more entertaining than it has a right to be. Yes, she's smart and sexy and strong, but as she showed last year in the comedy "13 Going on 30," she also has a girl-next-door likability that makes her seem accessible. So when Elektra says to her mentor, a blind martial arts expert named Stick (Terence Stamp), "You talk in riddles, old man," she makes the line tolerable, and not laugh-out-loud corny.
Everything comes back to Garner, though - and even when the movie takes itself too seriously, thankfully she never does.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:02 pm |
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Michael.
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El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Suuuuuuuuuurreeeeeee
Just like how they said they were holding off screenings for AvP because they are too busy editing it to a PG-13 rating. So maybe they are holding off screenings for the film because the CGI isnt finished to make Garner looks more feminime
If that was supposed to make you look funny - it failed miserably. No ones stupid enough to assume that Elektra would ever get fresh reviews. The complete opposition to its timeslot and genre track record means that critics, like certain movie "fans" on box office websites, were never going to be as open minded to "Elektra" as they may be to "Spider-Man 2" and sorts....
What matters to this kind of movie is if the crowds like it.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:09 pm |
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El Maskado
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Naturalflux7 wrote: El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Suuuuuuuuuurreeeeeee
Just like how they said they were holding off screenings for AvP because they are too busy editing it to a PG-13 rating. So maybe they are holding off screenings for the film because the CGI isnt finished to make Garner looks more feminime If that was supposed to make you look funny - it failed miserably. No ones stupid enough to assume that Elektra would ever get fresh reviews. The complete opposition to its timeslot and genre track record means that critics, like certain movie "fans" on box office websites, were never going to be as open minded to "Elektra" as they may be to "Spider-Man 2" and sorts.... What matters to this kind of movie is if the crowds like it.
Um sure stalker.. we already know it wont get fresh reviews but as I have mentioned clearly, they are delaying screenings for the movie because they know the perception from critics would be bad. However it also hasnt stopped movies like Van Helsing or Catwoman from delaying screenings to critics. I also like some of the bad reviews comparing the movie to Catwoman. You would think that since tv critics love the show Alias that the movie critics would show the same appreciation. Dont even say their median is different because Ebert claims his favorite shows are critic darlings like West Wing and Sopranos
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:16 pm |
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Michael.
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oh yes that ONE review that said it was as bad as catwoman suddenly becomes a plural. Funny that.
Your logic is as flawed as the reasoning behind your argument.
What does "Alias" have to do with this, at all? It only makes your posts seem less credible that your scrapping towards Garners totally unrelated projects to attack "Elektra"
Furthemore id like to know, as the thread starter, where you read that Elektra wasnt officially being screened for critics?
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:23 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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Erendis wrote: The Dark Shape wrote: I'm not suffering through another Catwoman headache. If Elektra's that bad, I'm walking out of the theater twenty minutes it. And the studio won't care. They have your 8 bucks.
No they don't. I generally don't pay for the movies I see.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:29 pm |
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El Maskado
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Naturalflux7 wrote: oh yes that ONE review that said it was as bad as catwoman suddenly becomes a plural. Funny that. Your logic is as flawed as the reasoning behind your argument.
What does "Alias" have to do with this, at all? It only makes your posts seem less credible that your scrapping towards Garners totally unrelated projects to attack "Elektra" Furthemore id like to know, as the thread starter, where you read that Elektra wasnt officially being screened for critics?
Cinemascope,imdb and some of the critics who have their own review site at RT comfirmed that they arent getting any screenings till night time on thursday. They did the same thing with AvP by delaying screenings so they dont get published on the opening day probably because the reviewer cant publish his full report on a nightshift span. And moviefan websites tend to be kinder to comicbook movies than the professional critics, just look at Hellboy's great ratings. You would also notice movies like the Punisher and Blade get a better score from moviefan critics than professional critics.
Oh well enjoy your Catwoman part 2
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:37 pm |
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Michael.
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Most movies only have the chunk of their reviews that decide how the film hits the papers at the weekend ANYWAY, most blockbusters try to avoid critical response because its rarely favourable.
As for the "great" Hellboy, was not one of my favourite films in 2004 - although it had its moments, it never raised itself above lacklustre and its characters depths weren't developed enough. You'll find that male lead action films are far more favoured than female lead films - and the track record of the Female Superhero genre puts Elektra in a critical black hole before the films even been screened. Everyone knows this film isnt going to come out with amazing reviews, but then again "Full Throttle" got 40% on rt, and i found it to be the most entertaining film of 2003.
Furthermore - the whole "moviefan websites tend to be kinder to comicbook movies than professional critics" thing is nonsense. Its moviefan websites that in general are far more picky and attentive to detail in this kind of film than professionals and its almost always unheard of moviefan critics who bring down the grades of movies on RT.
Since Cinemascope is a tv show, i cant verify that, I cant find anything at IMDB that says its not being screened for critics, if you could link me to that? And giving a generic statement about critics who post at rottentomatoes gives me nothing to verify either. You should link to the stories you mention for their credibility in situations like this....
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:48 pm |
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Kris K
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Naturalflux7 wrote: Now http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/en ... 440.htm?1c is a positive review the only thing it really picks on is that the film borrows too much from other projects - and the script is a bit corny sometimes - but is delivered in such a way that it transcends the entertainment that was expected. Blissfully Ben Affleck-free, the "Daredevil" spin-off "Elektra" benefits greatly from the presence of Jennifer Garner, who steps from the shadows of Hell's Kitchen rooftops into the spotlight of her own butt-kicking chick flick. She makes "Elektra" so surprisingly effective, it could open doors for other female action heroines. Halle Berry looked fantastic last year in "Catwoman," but it was hard to take her seriously in a stinker of a movie. Michelle Yeoh and Zhang Ziyi were gorgeous and deadly in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," but that was an ensemble film also featuring male warriors. And the women of the "Charlie's Angels" movies can't compare because their tongues were firmly planted in their cheeks while they were kicking bad guys in the face. But Garner's charms extend beyond the mere physical. Simply by showing up, she makes "Elektra" far more entertaining than it has a right to be. Yes, she's smart and sexy and strong, but as she showed last year in the comedy "13 Going on 30," she also has a girl-next-door likability that makes her seem accessible. So when Elektra says to her mentor, a blind martial arts expert named Stick (Terence Stamp), "You talk in riddles, old man," she makes the line tolerable, and not laugh-out-loud corny. Everything comes back to Garner, though - and even when the movie takes itself too seriously, thankfully she never does.
That review is 2.5 out of 4.
:-#
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:53 pm |
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Kris K
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Yay for CATWOMAN
"In the annals of comic book characters who have recently made their way to the big screen, "Elektra" beats out 2004's "Catwoman" as the worst of the lot. "Catwoman" at least looked pretty and had an entertaining high-camp value to its ill-advised proceedings. By comparison, "Elektra" is deadly dull and ludicrously wants to be taken seriously"
Harsh, but cause am a Catwoman-Fanboy, i'm chuffed.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:57 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Bad sign for the movie, but there are still bad movies with good grosses. They should have taken a chance!
_________________ Ecks Factor: Cancelled too soon
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:57 pm |
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Spidey
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Well, I am still seeing the movie regardless of this!
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:58 pm |
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Michael.
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Hold up Mason, where does it say 2.5/4? Becuase thats awfully good for a 2.5/4 review.
Anyway, Entertainment Now gave it a not good D+, but gave Hotel Rwanada a C+ in comparison
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:59 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Spiderman2005 wrote: Well, I am still seeing the movie regardless of this!
Me too. We'll be the judges on whether Elektra sucks or not! :wink:
_________________ Ecks Factor: Cancelled too soon
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:10 pm |
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Spidey
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Mr. X wrote: Spiderman2005 wrote: Well, I am still seeing the movie regardless of this! Me too. We'll be the judges on whether Elektra sucks or not! :wink:
Yeah!
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:13 pm |
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Michael.
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Im definately seeing Elektra, even if it gets 0% on Rottentomatoes.
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:14 pm |
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El Maskado
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Ok maybe I was wrong about critics not screening it
BUT
10 reviews at rotten tomatoes and its at 0% :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:57 pm |
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MovieDude
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El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Ok maybe I was wrong about critics not screening it
BUT 10 reviews at rotten tomatoes and its at 0% :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Some are getting screenings, some aren't. But mostly it's Thursday night, which may as well be the same thing. :wink:
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:12 am |
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STEVE ROGERS
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El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Naturalflux7 wrote: oh yes that ONE review that said it was as bad as catwoman suddenly becomes a plural. Funny that. Your logic is as flawed as the reasoning behind your argument.
What does "Alias" have to do with this, at all? It only makes your posts seem less credible that your scrapping towards Garners totally unrelated projects to attack "Elektra" Furthemore id like to know, as the thread starter, where you read that Elektra wasnt officially being screened for critics? Cinemascope,imdb and some of the critics who have their own review site at RT comfirmed that they arent getting any screenings till night time on thursday. They did the same thing with AvP by delaying screenings so they dont get published on the opening day probably because the reviewer cant publish his full report on a nightshift span. And moviefan websites tend to be kinder to comicbook movies than the professional critics, just look at Hellboy's great ratings. You would also notice movies like the Punisher and Blade get a better score from moviefan critics than professional critics. Oh well enjoy your Catwoman part 2
See?? The critics think there really hurting the studios by not screening there movies for reviews and in the case of AVP, that backfired and opened at 40 Million dollars.. Not bad for a movie that critics assumed was gonna be bad.. How wrong they were?? =D>
_________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:21 am |
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MovieDude
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BKB_The_Man wrote: El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Naturalflux7 wrote: oh yes that ONE review that said it was as bad as catwoman suddenly becomes a plural. Funny that. Your logic is as flawed as the reasoning behind your argument.
What does "Alias" have to do with this, at all? It only makes your posts seem less credible that your scrapping towards Garners totally unrelated projects to attack "Elektra" Furthemore id like to know, as the thread starter, where you read that Elektra wasnt officially being screened for critics? Cinemascope,imdb and some of the critics who have their own review site at RT comfirmed that they arent getting any screenings till night time on thursday. They did the same thing with AvP by delaying screenings so they dont get published on the opening day probably because the reviewer cant publish his full report on a nightshift span. And moviefan websites tend to be kinder to comicbook movies than the professional critics, just look at Hellboy's great ratings. You would also notice movies like the Punisher and Blade get a better score from moviefan critics than professional critics. Oh well enjoy your Catwoman part 2 See?? The critics think there really hurting the studios by not screening there movies for reviews and in the case of AVP, that backfired and opened at 40 Million dollars.. Not bad for a movie that critics assumed was gonna be bad.. How wrong they were?? =D>
BKB, there is not a secret coalition of critics that decide to boycott seeing bad movies like Elektra.  FOX didn't screen it because they knew the reviews would be awful.
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