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So, we're one week away from Jay Leno's last... er, "second" last Tonight Show and less than a month away from Jimmy Fallon taking over Tonight while Seth Meyers takes over Late Night. Any new thoughts?

I feel this happened way too fast and could serve to bury NBC further. Fallon is not a proven host. He gets his name out there, but there's still a sense that he is a subpar late night host. On the other hand, NBC will never allow themselves to be seen as failures and won't oust Fallon like they did with Conan, no matter how low it goes.

Seth Meyers is fun in small, seven-minute doses, but I see even less of a late night host than Fallon. He will likely provide a bland, occasionally humorous Late Night. Like a lesser Leno.

Then there's this new interview from Leno:

Don't blame Jay for Conan debacle!

I feel like blaming Jay Leno for Conan is largely wrong, but the fact that it went down the way it did still makes Leno out to be the bad guy. What really saddens me is that this is almost identical to five years ago, except one key factor: Jimmy Fallon is kissing Jay Leno's ass. Conan didn't do that because Conan respected Letterman more than Leno. Leno can lie all he wants but there's no way he's fine to do now what he was supposed to do five years ago: make way for the younger guy.

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I think Fallon will do fine. He's not as funny or as good a host as Conan, but he's more "fun". Also, now old people will stop watching regular tv thank goodness.

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If anything, I think this will benefit cable shows, specifically Daily Show and Colbert. They're already winning in 18-49 as it is.

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I wonder how much Fallon's Tonight Show will resemble, in content and in spirit, his Late Night, which has, I believe, found its voice and become a solid, cool program. Will NBC allow the party to more or less go on as it is, or will they try to flatten and streamline it? This definitely hurt Conan O'Brien during the transition. Hosting the Tonight Show may have represented the realization of his lifelong dream, but it was definitely not the finest venue for him in regard to creativity.

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Fallon is not a proven host. He gets his name out there, but there's still a sense that he is a subpar late night host.


Wait, really? I totally disagree.

Fallon's been hosting Late Night for five years now, that's plenty of time. Not to mention his show gets critical acclaim and gets by far the most buzz of the late night shows on social media because of the skits/celebrities/games/performances he has. Just this morning I saw like 5 different people posting about the Full House reunion he had on last night.

Plus, from what I understand, Fallon's Tonight Show will basically be the same thing as his current show. Still in New York, still with The Roots, no real change to the format.


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Fallon is a horrible late night host. He's very good at doing one-off viral skits (which makes me wish he was more involved with SNL than a late-night gig) and I do give him credit for his choice of music acts. But in terms of his monologue and his interviewing ability, he's bad (I will say that he was very bad five years ago so he has improved).

The thing that this does is open up Kimmel for guests. Kimmel is now the #1 spot for any LA guest, which is a big deal. I think his show benefits the most. Conan also is helped too by now becoming the #2 spot for LA. Craigy Ferg doesn't give a shit about the quality of his guests cause he's so good he can make anyone interesting.

I do question the quality of guests Seth Meyers is going to get. Almost everyone would pick Letterman, Fallon, Stewart, and Colbert over him.

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So he's just like Leno!

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So he's just like Leno!


Leno I think was a much better intervewer even earlier on (watch some of his old clips) and a SIGNIFICANT better monologue delivery.

I also find it amusing that the media makes "late night" TV to be a big deal when it isn't anymore. There's literally dozens of shows at late night now that it's lost its charm. Plus, most people just watch stuff online later anyways.

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I've always HATED Leno's monologues. But yes, Leno is a pretty good interviewer.

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I've always HATED Leno's monologues. But yes, Leno is a pretty good interviewer.


his material is weak but he delivers it much better than Fallon.

I will say this: If Stewart leaves DS and takes over Lettermans gig, he would wipe the floor of everyone. Not sure if he would ever do that but he would be highly succuessful if he did.

Also, it still kinda pisses me off that Craigy Ferg doesn't get his due as king of late night. His stuff in-between the monologue and interviews arent that strong but he is by far the best at the comboination of monologue/interviewer. He completely does away with the whole "plugging a product" shit that most late night shows are forcd to do and just has a real conversation with people. I think he brings out the human in celebrities that no one else can.

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But then who would/COULD do the Daily Show?!

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But then who would/COULD do the Daily Show?!


Oliver. This wouldn't happen for another 2-3 years anyways so I'm sure Oliver can get out of his HBO gig by then.

Also, regarding Leno: There's no certainity that he's out of the game. FOX may very well give him a show.

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John Oliver doesn't cut it for me. I would rarely/never watch The Daily Show if he became the main, permanent host.

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David wrote:
John Oliver doesn't cut it for me. I would rarely/never watch The Daily Show if he became the main, permanent host.


I thought Oliver was at par and sometimes above current day Stewart, who to me has lost a certain edge post-2012 election.

I rank the current late night hosts as follows (note: im grading them solely on their hosting ability and not on their writing/sketches):

1. Craigy Ferg
2. Colbert
3. Stewart
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i havent seen enough of the new Arsenio to make a judgement. And Carson Daly doesn't qualify anymore.

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Also, it still kinda pisses me off that Craigy Ferg doesn't get his due as king of late night. His stuff in-between the monologue and interviews arent that strong but he is by far the best at the combination of monologue/interviewer. He completely does away with the whole "plugging a product" shit that most late night shows are forced to do and just has a real conversation with people. I think he brings out the human in celebrities that no one else can.


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Has anyone watched Leno's 60 Minutes piece? It's hilarious how the two situations are identical, he has nothing good to say about Conan and nothing but nice things to say about Fallon. He basically says "I get this, he's a talented guy and NBC doesn't want to lose him. And he's very nice, polite, gracious." So it really does come down to Leno thinking Conan is talentless and resenting that he didn't kiss his ass out the door.

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To add to what Magnus said though about how Craig Ferguson is so good at interviewing guests, one need only watch his episode on the day of the Boston bombings to show his top form of having natural conversations with his guests.


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To add to what Magnus said though about how Craig Ferguson is so good at interviewing guests, one need only watch his episode on the day of the Boston bombings to show his top form of having natural conversations with his guests.



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First Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon is on as we speak.

I'm obsessed with the fact that this is basically the exact same show as Late Night so far. Don't fix what ain't broke.


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Joan Rivers on the show for the first time in my lifetime.

http://variety.com/2014/more/news/joan- ... 201109889/

And when was the last time the musical guest was on before the first main guest? And will we ever see it happen again?

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Okay, now I'm depressed. The show has been good so far, and I'm sure it'll get better as it goes along (but will die-hard Leno fans, whoever those freaks are, even care to check in again after tonight...it's already aggressively different), but this should be Conan.

The set and studio size would've been perfect for him, oh, and ITS IN NEW YORK. NBC really fucked him over, not just by not getting behind him, but making him move out to L.A.. It's worked out for the best because the TBS show is pretty much "Late Night", but this is just getting me to think of what could've been if he had even got a little bit of support from NBC, or if he had gone to ABC or FOX back in 2004.

On the bright side, at least Leno is off of TV...for now.

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yeah it sucks that NBC is doing everything it can to make Fallon succuessful and did everything it can to make Conan a failure.

Having said that, Fallon still sucks.

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yeah it sucks that NBC is doing everything it can to make Fallon succuessful and did everything it can to make Conan a failure.

Having said that, Fallon still sucks.


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Fallons a nice guy. But outside of 1-2 sketchs a month and his promotion of lesser musical artsits, his show is medicore. His monologue is the worst (both in writing and delivery) and he's the worst interviewer.

People like him and I'm sure as a celebrity, his show is great because he treats you well and you don't worry about getting too embarassed. But as a viewer, I want a host who makes his guests interseting and shows a side of them we don't see normally and gets them to reveal things we wouldn't normally know. And I want a host who can really deliver a monologue. Fallon fails at these.

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^ Which really only Ferguson and Stewart can do.


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