The 'Lost' Thread (Season 3)
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Squee
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Man, if the survivors get tricked by the Others AGAIN, then they deserve all they have coming to them.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:05 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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It was a very good episode. I loved the flashbacks as well. Man Ben was really creepy. I have no idea what Jullet is up to.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:06 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Squee wrote: Man, if the survivors get tricked by the Others AGAIN, then they deserve all they have coming to them.
Although, why is Jullet there? Is she spying on them or she up to something else? I have to say Ben is a manipulative bastard. I don't think her sister even got cancer the second time.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:15 pm |
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Chris
life begins now
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Awesome. Lost is on a role and I'm loving it. I did not see that coming at all, even though I probably should have. Amazing.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:50 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
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Good episode made great by that ending. They took the typical formula and flipped it on its ass. Fantastic.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:59 pm |
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Jim Halpert
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very very very good episode.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:26 am |
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roo
invading your spaces
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: Squee wrote: Man, if the survivors get tricked by the Others AGAIN, then they deserve all they have coming to them. Although, why is Jullet there? Is she spying on them or she up to something else? I have to say Ben is a manipulative bastard. I don't think her sister even got cancer the second time.
Because Sun is pregnant.
I think Juliet is on the side of the Islanders. She's not happy with Ben, there's a ton of double crossing going on between her and Ben.
This episode was fucking awesome. The scene where he shows her, her cancer free sister was absolutely amazing.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:02 am |
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Fonta
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so is Juliet really bad? or as Jack told us, Juliet wants to get off the island more than anything so is Juliet just doing something for Ben to get off the island? and remember, Ben said see you in a week so what can or what is Juliet suppose to do in the camp? do we have any hints yet?
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:04 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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An incredible episode after a few merely good ones in the last couple weeks.
Elizabeth Mitchell deserves to win the emmy. I haven't seen an actress in tv or movie, who's broken out and been THIS good in a long long time... she's amazing. Even without all the island dynamics which I'm sure andaroo and etc. will dig into because of how much there was of it in this episode, Juliet herself is one of the most interesting characters on the show because like Ben, it is never clear whether she is being truthful or manipulating, and it is still completley unclear on which side she's on and what is her intention. Just awesome.
I don't think the Others could ever leave this island... The red sox tape and other information was I think, obtained from their satellite centre helmed by the russian. Ben knows that if the women can't give birth, they as a people will die. Will the entire human race die as a result, are they the last ones left? The bumpy ride in the submarine... There's definitley something there, I think the island itself is not merely an island, but the result of a wormhole to the future or something like that.
Oh god, what an amazing episode.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:07 am |
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roo
invading your spaces
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Shack wrote: I don't think the Others could ever leave this island...
It looks like Ethan and Richard left the island from time to time. (Richard is this guy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004801/). Richard was also the guy who was videotaping Juliet's sister in the park, and Ben told him to "get back" because he's obviously on the island by the time that communications have been cut off.
One could make the argument that Richard was a salesman that before that time had never been to the island, but Ethan seemed aware of what was going on the entire time.
Ben doesn't seem to be lying very much, they really could leave on the sub.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:30 am |
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roo
invading your spaces
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Fonta wrote: so is Juliet really bad? or as Jack told us, Juliet wants to get off the island more than anything so is Juliet just doing something for Ben to get off the island? I think so. We shouldn't forget that Juliet has somewhat fallen for Jack in a way, she wants to get off the island like he does, and she's been outcast and branded by the Others. This may have been part of her repairations, but I think they are all sensing that Flight 815 has destabalized whatever that was going on there. Quote: and remember, Ben said see you in a week so what can or what is Juliet suppose to do in the camp? do we have any hints yet?
War?
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:32 am |
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Raffiki
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If it weren't for the mess that were the first 6 episodes, this would have been a season to top all seasons.
Wht a powerhouse episode!!! Amazing!
If Elizabeth Mitchel and Michael Emerson don't WIN (not only noms but yes, WIN) their Emmys this year, I don't know what else to say about TV. This is definitely the episode Mitchel should submit. She stole EVERY SINGLE SCENE she was in which was practically the entire episode...
--Confronting Ben with the tumor (the slapping the cup of water out of his hand was priceless)
--Seeing her sister at Mikael's Communication station
--Putting Sayid and Sawyer in their place
I can't get over how good she is. I love her
The characters of Ben and Juliet are the best things Lost has had since the pilot. With the exception of Desmond and Penny in the season 2 finale.
I also wanted to note on Jack and Sawyer's relationship. When they saw each other at the reunion, I had this weird feeling I couldn't describe. And it got me started thinking of their relationship throughout the series.
--Season 1: mostly antagonistic but make some sort of amends at the end (remember Sawyer telling JAck about his father)
--Season 2: separated for first half, somewhat antagonistic in second half
--Season 3: separated for first half... what now? I'm really interested in where they're gonna go with this relationship. I feel as though they are each too big a presence to be in the same camp at the same time. And this love square is actually a bit interesting. If only Kate would make up her damn mind
Oh and who is Jacob? (I think Ben said something about Jacob to Juliet in the scene at Ben's place).
And last, but not least, I may have found a small plothole of sorts. We now are finding out how the others know all this information about the flight 815 passengers (the communications station from which they could get a hold of medical/police records and such). BUT when Sawyer and Sayif confornted Juliet at the end, she pointed out that Sawyer killed a man in cold blood the night before he stpped foot on the plane. If he shot the guy RIGHT before he got on the plane and (if I remember correctly) it was the wrong guy (in other words a complete stranger) and police or anyone would have no way of linking him with it, how did the others know this information, that he shot that guy? 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:04 am |
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A. G.
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I thought it was pretty good but not one of the strongest of this recent set. I found her talking her way out of the confrontation with Sawyer and Sayid very unbelievable. Her speech about moral superiority shouldn't have affected them, they weren't confronting her because they felt morally superior but because she was from a tribe they were (essentially) at war with and they didn't trust her motives.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:52 am |
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Raffiki
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Archie Gates wrote: I thought it was pretty good but not one of the strongest of this recent set. I found her talking her way out of the confrontation with Sawyer and Sayid very unbelievable. Her speech about moral superiority shouldn't have affected them, they weren't confronting her because they felt morally superior but because she was from a tribe they were (essentially) at war with and they didn't trust her motives.
I don't think the moral superiority argument wasn't why Sayid and Sawyer backed off though... it was the risk they were not willing to take that she wasn't telling the truth... in that sense, I find it believable.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:06 am |
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Raffiki
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I'm starting to get really excited for the KJ TV awards. Is early prep gonna start soon? I believe Mr. X runs it. Am I right? 
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:16 am |
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Fonta
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Raffiki wrote: Archie Gates wrote: I thought it was pretty good but not one of the strongest of this recent set. I found her talking her way out of the confrontation with Sawyer and Sayid very unbelievable. Her speech about moral superiority shouldn't have affected them, they weren't confronting her because they felt morally superior but because she was from a tribe they were (essentially) at war with and they didn't trust her motives. I don't think the moral superiority argument wasn't why Sayid and Sawyer backed off though... it was the risk they were not willing to take that she wasn't telling the truth... in that sense, I find it believable.
or what they did was so bad! Sawyer shots a man before he gets on the plane and Sayid, another incident that hasn't been discussed which is pretty bad. Anyway, I think she just jabbed them a couple of times plus she added with force, I am leaving or Claire will die.
I also agree that she is very good at delivering her lines but mainly she is just using, now and in the past, her detailed knowledge of everyone's life to keep them off guard.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:16 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
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what'd make an even better twist, Jack is in on it, but doesn't know Juliet is in on it too.
It's only been a couple weeks since Michael tricked them all. Jack can't be that stupid.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:56 pm |
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Snrub
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I stopped watching lost after the second or third episode this season, having finally completely lost interest in it.
That said, all this talk has convinced me to check out the last 4 episodes, and I've discovered 2 things:
1) You can abandon Lost for a long period of time and still be able to catch up fairly quickly.
2) It's gotten good again.
This last episode was great.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:51 pm |
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Raffiki
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Not my favourite episode of the recent run but decent enough. I'm more intrigued about where exactly this island is, if its even an island, then anything else revealed in the episode. I wasnt particularly shocked or surprised that Juliet's not on the up and up.
I think it's kind of sad how one of the REALLY big questions involving Lost is in the process of being answered and people aren't really going crazy. All we want is more.
We are finding out what exactly the island is being used for and what the others are doing. I realized later on last night... this gives us some pretty big answers.
The big question that I also started talking about with my best friend, just as Loyal pointed out, is where exactly is the island?
I'm thinking since they've announced they want to start scheduling an end, they've planned out, for the most part, the bulk of how the story is going to unfold so we're gonna get more payoffs and more Paolo/Nikki-like setups.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:39 pm |
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A. G.
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Raffiki wrote: I think it's kind of sad how one of the REALLY big questions involving Lost is in the process of being answered and people aren't really going crazy. I think it's because whenever they start revealing that stuff they do so by focusing on the Others and to some the others are comparatively boring. The Others are basically all suburban American types, if I want to watch people like that I can just walk outside right now.
I don't mean that as harshly as it sounds of course, Juliet and Ben have their interesting aspects but as much as I liked the episode I'd rather have been watching Desmond, Sayid, even Charlie.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:55 pm |
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rolandka19
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"One of Us" was astoundingly awesome. The actress who portrays Juliet, Elizabeth Mitchell, was fantastic as always- her and Michael Emerson better receive Emmy nominations bcause they are wonderful. Speaking of Juliet as a mole for the Others, I didn't see that coming AT ALL. Maybe her ultimate plan is to kidnap Sun or Desmond?
That preview for the next few episodes- with the awesome "Requiem for a Dream" music rocked- they look so awesome. "Cataclysmic" season finale? Wow- lots of cool shit is going to go down, I bet, and...change...EVERYTHING! 
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Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:49 am |
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
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My money was on Juliet being a mole, and this episode still kicked my ass. Not seeing the next week previews helps sooo much.
By the way, anyone remember hearing about how Darren Aronfonsky was going to direct an episode? Whatever happened to that?
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Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:34 am |
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Jonathan
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MovieDude wrote: My money was on Juliet being a mole, and this episode still kicked my ass. Not seeing the next week previews helps sooo much.
By the way, anyone remember hearing about how Darren Aronfonsky was going to direct an episode? Whatever happened to that?
Wife Rachel Weisz got preggers so he had to pull out. Apparently he would've directed "?" (The post-hatch massacre episode where they find the underground hatch). Considering how great that episode already was, I'm sure it would've been even awesomer.
Also, did anyone else hear that episode 19 wouldn't have ANY flashbacks and would be entirely island-centric? That would be great.
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Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:44 pm |
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trixster
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Positive Jon wrote: MovieDude wrote: My money was on Juliet being a mole, and this episode still kicked my ass. Not seeing the next week previews helps sooo much.
By the way, anyone remember hearing about how Darren Aronfonsky was going to direct an episode? Whatever happened to that? Wife Rachel Weisz got preggers so he had to pull out. Apparently he would've directed "?" (The post-hatch massacre episode where they find the underground hatch). Considering how great that episode already was, I'm sure it would've been even awesomer. Also, did anyone else hear that episode 19 wouldn't have ANY flashbacks and would be entirely island-centric? That would be great.
That's what it's saying on SpoilerFix. Apparently, it was supposed to be Jack-centric, but now the finale is Jack-centric. Episode 20 is now Ben-centric. That is great indeed.
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Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:51 pm |
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Mister Ecks
New Server, Same X
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Raffiki wrote: I'm starting to get really excited for the KJ TV awards. Is early prep gonna start soon? I believe Mr. X runs it. Am I right? 
Heh, yes.
If no one opposes to me running the awards again, then I certainly will do it. I was actually thinking about starting an early thread, just to get interest going. Actual nominations won't start until the end of the season (near the end of May), but I do want a thread going till then, so we're all set on categories, where certain actors/actresses are placed, etc.
Anyway, very good episode. I was kinda wondering why she suddenly jumped on this "trick the islanders into thinking I'm good" plan, but I guess seeing her healthy sister and her baby boy probably changed her mind about Ben and his master plans.
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