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anyhow before the season finale i think itd be cool to take guesses of who you guys think killed Lilly and we can see who wins

me thinks it was - The secret agent dude at Kane software

I'm actually not sure who killed her, but it should hopefully be a good one. I don't think I'd want it to be someone who has hardly been shown. I'd want it to be someone who was always in the picture on the show but you didn't suspect them. I want it to be a surprise!

Anyway, the season finale is tonight! It's going to be great! \:D/

glad to see someone else is just as excited as me.

im having a parttyy tonight with a friend just cause of it.

WOOOO LESS THAN 3 HOURS!!

UHM OMG OMG OMG OMG. best episode ever. of any show ive watched ever.
omg im speechless.

veronica is my lover.

i cant believe the season is over.

and i need her to be my girlfriend. KNOW.

and aaron echolls? wow did NOT see that one coming. at all.

A GREAT finale for a GREAT show! Man do I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this show! I'm so glad it will be back for another season. I can't wait to own it on DVD!


I'm satisfied with who Lilly's murderer ended up being. It was a bit predictable but almost anyone turning out to be her killer would have been a bit predictable, unless they were someone that was barely on the show. It wasn't incredibly obvious thankfully, but still, it was one of the many, many characters it could be.

And of course the episode ended with a little cliffhanger, like most season finales do.

*****SPOILERS*****
Veronica opened the door to someone we don't see and she says, "Hey, I was hoping it was you." At first Logan was who came to mind for me, but now I don't think so at all and I'm actually thinking it's her friend Wallace. It would make sense for him to show up after finding out about what happened to comfort her and make sure she's doing ok.

We don't get to see what happens to Logan though, sadly, so I'm hoping Weevil and his crew don't beat him up or worse, kill him. I hope he's alright. I felt bad for him.
*****END SPOILERS*****

UHM what if its duncan?

AND ANOTHER THING I REALIZED while watching the crucible [play] today. WASSS

Mr. KANE like in the story of CAIN AND ABEL. well in that story CAIN KILLS ABEL

and KANE HURT ABEL KUNTZ. wow @ spelling. but yeah.

biblical reference?
and im not even christian.

I had Duncan in my mind but I honestly don't think it's him. I don't think she would have acted quite as calm and relieved and relaxed if it was. I think signs definitely point to it being Wallace. Most people probably won't think of him and they're trying to get you to think it's either Logan or Duncan, but I'm totally seeing it being Wallace.



Here's an interview with VERONICA MARS creator Rob Thomas from iF Magazine:

EXCLUSIVE: VERONICA MARS CREATOR ROB THOMAS
iF MAGAZINE has the scoop on the season finale, Season 2 and when the DVD for Season 1 will be coming out

By: CARL CORTEZ - Contributing Editor

Published: 5/9/2005


Thank goodness VERONICA MARS is on UPN, otherwise the show would have been cancelled long before the new year. The teen private eye show (which lies somewhere between a weekly Nancy Drew mystery and the intelligent quirkiness of BUFFY sans the non-genre elements of that show) has created a huge buzz all year long and has a faithful cult audience, It’s quirky, intelligent and far more entertaining than a show like THE O.C. which has already over-stayed its flavor of the month status by a year and a half.


Created by Rob Thomas (not the MATCHBOX 20 singer) and executive produced by action god Joel Silver, VERONICA MARS stars Kristen Bell as the titular heroine who works with her private eye father Keith Mars (Enrico Colantoni) while solving small cases amongst her peers.




The biggest mystery though – and one that has kept fans glued to the screen all season – is who killed Veronica’s best friend Lilly Kane (Amanda Seyfried). The season finale airs tomorrow at 9:00pm and all will be answered, but not without giving you a reason to stay tuned in the fall. .



Creator Thomas recently took some time to talk to iF MAGAZINE about what to expect in the season finale as well as what’s in store for VERONICA MARS in Season 2.




iF MAGAZINE: Is there a danger in having season long arcs or is it one of the reasons why people are so attracted to the show?


ROB THOMAS: I think there is a danger in anything you do. Had we had to extend the mystery for five seasons, the whole 100-episode mystery, I think people would have grown frustrated and disinterested.


iF MAGAZINE: Are you worried viewers may be less interested after the big mystery is solved?


THOMAS: I’m worried about having as good a Season 2 mystery as we had in Season 1, but I really love the idea. I love our Season 2 idea, so I’m actually moderately confident.


iF MAGAZINE: Do you have Season 2 completely planned as to what the mystery is going to be?


THOMAS: I probably have Season 2 as planned as Season 1 was, when I went in, which is to say, I know the broad strokes, I know who did it, I know how it was done, I know the big arcs, but we’re always filling in the details. Those are week to week. It’s a week to week challenge in the writers room figuring out how much information we want to dole out to the audience.


iF MAGAZINE: Sounds like there’s a murder next year?


THOMAS: There is going to be death, if that’s vague enough. I wish I could say more than that. People will die. I can’t do a VERONICA MARS season long mystery about insurance fraud.


iF MAGAZINE: Did you know from the first episode who killed Lilly Kane?


THOMAS: Yes.


iF MAGAZINE: Any interesting diversions along the season that took you in directions that surprised you?


THOMAS: I think Logan became a much bigger character than anticipated. It’s the result of Jason Dohring being an engaging performer that all the writers want to write for him. As far as Season 1, there weren’t any unexpected diversions.


iF MAGAZINE: Anything interesting in store for Logan next season.


THOMAS: There is going to be a cool resolve at the end of the season finale that will raise as many questions as answers as far as Veronica and Logan’s love life.


iF MAGAZINE: Will the entire cast be returning for Season 2


THOMAS: Yes, all the series regulars.


iF MAGAZINE: Will Alyson Hannigan have a bigger part next year?


THOMAS: I don’t know what the status is because she did a pilot this year. I think if her pilot goes, we won’t be able to use her and if her pilot doesn’t go, I would like to bring her back from time to time?


iF MAGAZINE: Ever thought of bringing more BUFFY people into the show?


THOMAS: My wife to be is friends with Charisma Carpenter who is a huge fan of the show, so I’m waiting for the right moment to throw Charisma into it as well. Between Charisma and Alyson, that’s the extent of my BUFFY plans.


iF MAGAZINE: Is the season finale is a huge action episode and more ambitious than the normal episode?


THOMAS: That’s totally true. Our normal budget for an episode is right around $1.7 million, and I think we spent $400,000 extra. We shot a full extra day with our normal unit and three days of second unit, so there is more action than you’ve ever seen on VERONICA MARS.


iF MAGAZINE: Will the season finale be satisfying or will it be a cliffhanger?


THOMAS: We’re going to pick up next year, at the beginning of the school year in the show. I think there’s going to be 80 percent total satisfaction. People will know who killed Lilly Kane. And there won’t be that twist at the end that "perhaps they didn’t do it." I’m not going to be leaving people like that. However, at the end of the episode, it gives us a pretty big cliffhanger question as well.


iF MAGAZINE: Will the DVD box set come out before Season 2 comes out?


THOMAS: That’s the plan, but there’s a downside to that. There was much worries on our end trying to decide what to do. We were given the option of "you can release it January next year with all the bells and whistles or we can rush it out before the next season starts, but it will just be the episodes and maybe a blooper reel." After a lot of consternation, we chose to get it out sooner, make it so it will help introduce the new season. I know I’ve been introduced to series through complete box sets. I watched Season 2 of 24, because I watched Season 1 on DVD. That’s the trade off. Of course the ultimate wish is five years from now we’re doing the complete box set retrospective, where we get to add all the commentaries.

So, I'm watching the pilot.

I really like the show. Veronica's an awesome lead character, and Kristen Bell is doing a great job thus far.

I recorded it, so I'll give thoughts later.

But wait, so... the episodes aren't being shown in order? Are they at least being shown chronologically?

No, I think they're being shown in order. The pilot was on tonight, and I believe the second episode airs tomorrow night.

No they won't be. Check the thread I had posted. It sounded like they would be airing them in order, since they started with the pilot and said "See it from the beginning" in the ads and in that e-mail I got from UPN it sounded like it too, but in an incredibly stupid move they aren't! I do think they'll be showing them in order, however skipping a few episodes in between. So that's what they meant by "See it from the beginning!" Tomorrow night is the sixth episode of the first season. Damn UPN!!! Such a great show that truly gets better and better and they aren't even going to show it in order this summer so more people will have the chance to see it before it hits DVD and the second season starts. [-(

I liked it, and I'll go ahead and watch tomorrow's episode, but I thought it was a bit too Harriet the Spy for the PG-13 crowd. You can tell they're really pushing the 'hip' factor and not really trying to up the realism.

I'm interested, though.

Well the show does get better. You'll at least have to check it out on DVD when it comes out in September. Otherwise download the episodes if you can.

Wow. I finally saw every episode of the season, and I am blown away. How could this show be snubbed at the Emmys? The perfect mix of comedy, drama, suspense, and mystery. Damn, what a good season.

The biggest shock all year was how much I grew to like Logan as the season progressed. Didn't expect to, and I hope he's still around for Season 2.

I've been watching it too, but I haven't seen all the episodes yet ( I missed the first like 5 and right now I'm at the one where she finds out about Logan giving out the drugs when she was raped) but it's really fantastic. Can't wait till Season 2

Season 2 starts September 28th.
Cannot waittt!!!!

For VM fans, I saw this before so see below for VM news

Shatner, Trump Vie for "Emmy Idol" By Bridget Byrne
Wed Sep 7, 6:17 PM ET

As if waiting to see the winner of Sound Mixing for a Variety or Music Series or Special or Animation wasn't compelling enough to keep viewers tuned in to the Emmys, the producers of TV's annual self-back-patting fest have come up with a new gimmick: a celebrity sing-off.

Organizers of the 57th Annual Primetime Emmy Awards, airing Sept. 18 on CBS, unveiled a lineup of stars and professionals who really can hit the high notes (opera singer Frederica von Stade) and some who seem to think they can (Donald Trump) for Emmy Idol, described in the official press release as "an American-Idol-esque contest."


The stars' performances of classic TV theme songs will be scattered throughout the three-hour ceremony. Viewers will be encouraged to vote during the live broadcast, either by text message or via cbs.com, with the winning rendition announced at the end of the show. (As of yet there's been no decision what prize, if any, will be awarded.)

Kristen Bell, star of UPN's girl detective series Veronica Mars, whose extensive musical theater credits include an acclaimed performance in A Little Night Music, will be the only star to sing solo. She will perform the theme song from Fame.

Wow, I guess I have to watch the Emmys now.

that would make the emmys worth watching.

can this get re-stickied with it's second season premiere in 11 days?