Well, that was horribly predictable. I can't really say I'm that sorry to see Eko go; he was an interesting character when they first introduced him but I've found him kind of boring lately.

I think Juliet is a really great character so far, Elizabeth Mitchell is top-notch.

I know it was very predictable, but I think half of the cast has been boring lately, because we've hardly heard from them:

Charlie, Rose, Bernard, these new people (Paulo needs to go NOW), Claire, etc. The entire stories of the non Jack/Kate/Sawyer group, has been boring, because they really have just been filler for 6 episodes, to the other three's troubles...

Also Eko didn't confess his sins, which is why I guess he died. The island gave him a chance for redemption and he threw back in its face. The Your Next line is to say that they all have sins in their past and the island will make them stand trial for what they have done. Still am not sure how the island has got this power, unless it was a creation of Dharma.

Based on the mysticalness of how the island looks at the inhabitants, I think Michael really could come back to the show, as he almost committed the worst thing that a member of the island has done, by turning on the Lost folk to save Walt. The island didn't forgive Eko for doing what's best for his brother, and I doubt it'll forgive Michael for doing what was best for Walt...

Could it be that the others prefer the young around, because those that have not done wrong things, protect the others from the island (ie that's why they felt so shocked over what happened with that woman, who confronted Sun?). Hm....

This episode started out pretty dull but really picked up with the freaky eye-[atch guy scene and the Juliet movie scene.

I think the key to why so many people complain about the show is that they only focus on the immediate storylines and how pointless or boring or stupid some thinsg are. I take most of these episodes with a grain of salt because I know there are larger concepts at work and we are getting very small clues. Like this whole others business and the Juliet-Ben stuff... I think what we're given now is going to be pretty trivial to the end game of the show.

Important things that happened in this episode...

1. Definitely that eye-patch guy. Obviously more of these station are still being operated and that leaves a hell of alot of stuff to still explore.

2. We find out what Locke saw sort of... he claimed it was a bright light (and obviously something comforting). What Eko kept seeing (the black smoke) was certianly much darker and not comforting. I have a feeling this contrast is a huge part of the big island mythology and will be disappointed if it's not fully developed by series' end. I feel that may have been the most important part of this episode.

3. Juliet's plea for Jack. So, does anyone else think that Juliet is a HUGE badass and is more evil than Ben? There is definitely something very good being cooked up in that plotline and it's keeping me on my toes.

I didn't mind Eko's death because I thought his character got quite tiresome. I did have a problem with them basically killing off the main tailies. (The DUI thing is just too hillarious though).

Looking back, I think the biggest mistake the writers made was killing off Libby. The fact that they just about admitted they killed her off for shock value really pissed me off because I think she was potentially one of the most interesting characters. Her Hurley thing had to end but aside from that... they could have easily put her in a long coma (which would still have let Michael initially get away with no one knowing he shot Ana-Lucia). Maybe even an entire season in coma would have been neat and we still could have pieced together a backstory from other characters' flashbacks. And she'd come back in like season 4 or something.

Archie had the post of the day and I'll reinfornce his claims by saying next week looks freakin amazing!

Has nobody made the connection yet that every "vision" on the island, Jack's dad, Boone, Walt, Ana Lucia, Dave, Sawyer's boar, Kate's horse, maybe even the freaking polar bear, could all potentially be a manifestation of the monster? This would explain shared experiences, sudden disappearances, the tendency for flashbacks...

...if you make that leap with me, the monster has been telling people directly to push the button, through Eko's brother, through Walt's vision to Shannon (albeit in reverse), everybody (except Locke) who the island communicates to winds up dead as a doornail or is pushed to the brink (Hurley), and yes, I think the island is *pissed* that the button wasn't pushed.

I was the only one of my friends that wasn't surprised. Hopefully I won't know about the next character dying...

Spoilers for those who haven't seen it:

As much as I liked Eko's character, I think that the problem was he didn't have much to do with all the other tailies dead. Killing both Ana-Lucia and Libby was a mistake methinks.

the monster has already been explained by the people who created lost. its not a monster at all but some sort of scientific thingy with tonnes and tonnes of semi conductors and shit .... i'll try to find that article. i know it was posted here once.

sorry .. meant nanotech

No... they've said it's not nanotech. The producers of Lost have denied a few things (such as the whole thing being Purgatory) but they rarely confirm spoiler details ahead of time.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Nanotechnology_(Theory)

Read up.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_monster

In the end it doesn't matter, whatever the Monster is it is doing something either so supernatural or so sci-fi that my thoughts about it actually producing or BEING the manifestations on the island could still work.

Obviously whatever it is, it is somewhat mechanical, but I doubt even nanotechnology would sound like a sputtering jollopy.

well then lets hope its super natural.

WOW Three actors with Hawaii traffic violations ended up dying.

Heh yeah must be bad luck or something. I think in Eko's case they already had him to die long before his traffic violation. Besides his case got dismissed and he never even had to pay a fine.

"Well, I suddenly feel very stupid." - Locke

No shit, wasn't that long when you saw Jack on one of them monitors, John?

Fucking awesome episode. I've been hating on this season recently, but it's redeemed itself with this.

Eyepatch guy, Jack's situation with Ben and Juliet turning very intersting, and Eko getting owned by the monster! Nothing else more you could want from a Lost episode.

Eye-patch guy . . . didnt sawyer etc find a glass eyeball in tallies hatch with the bible. .>>???

I'm just glad we have some sci-fi and mystery back in the show, with the monster and the pirate. I have to agree with baba in his podcast, in that Lost fails most when trying to explain everything as logical and making this tangled web of Dharma and the others, diving too far into it. Some people have said they haven't gaven enough answers, I think they've gaven too MUCH. It's better if we're kept guessing, kept wondering about this island. That's also why I loved the S2 finale.

andaroo wrote:

Raffiki wrote:
2. We find out what Locke saw sort of... he claimed it was a bright light (and obviously something comforting). What Eko kept seeing (the black smoke) was certianly much darker and not comforting. I have a feeling this contrast is a huge part of the big island mythology and will be disappointed if it's not fully developed by season's end. I feel that may have been the most important part of this episode.


Has nobody made the connection yet that every "vision" on the island, Jack's dad, Boone, Walt, Ana Lucia, Dave, Sawyer's boar, Kate's horse, maybe even the freaking polar bear, could all potentially be a manifestation of the monster? This would explain shared experiences, sudden disappearances, the tendency for flashbacks...

...if you make that leap with me, the monster has been telling people directly to push the button, through Eko's brother, through Walt's vision to Shannon (albeit in reverse), everybody (except Locke) who the island communicates to winds up dead as a doornail or is pushed to the brink (Hurley), and yes, I think the island is *pissed* that the button wasn't pushed.



Wow... Why the FUCK don't you post more often? Seriously, you just solved the biggest mystery on the show, and it makes perfect sense.

Squee

Jedi Master Carr wrote:
It was sad to see him go, although there was nothing else to his story line. [/spoil]



So? The "story-line" SHOULD be what's going on with the people on the island. Who cares if he had nothing else to say in flashback. Frankly, Im getting incredibly sick of the flash-backs as they rarely add anything new.

Wait a minute... Jack had some more problems with his father?! It all makes sense now!

Now all they need to do is kill off Locke, Desmond and Sawyer and I wont like anyone else on the island. Lets DO this!

Raffiki

Apparently the actor who played Eko also was ready to go. He says in this week's Entertainment Weekly that he thought his story was "complete" after the first flashback.

I can't believe we had 3 flashbacks on this guy in just 24 or 25 episodes. That jkust about rivals Jack (proportionately).

Did Libby even have one? For some reason I can't recall her having any flashback episode.

Squee

No, she didn't.

Oh, and despite my comments, I thought it was a good episode. I just didn't like how they killed off my favorite or second favorite character.

And if we're to believe all this "my story was told, so I didnt need to be in it anymore" bullshit than it's obviously some sort of purgatory. If the "story" ends when there's nothing left to say about a character's past, than the island means nothing and is just a symbol of their internal struggles.

Awesome episode. Too bad Desmond didn't foresee Eko's future and tell Eko about the whole confessing thing. Slip in a little "You gotta confess, brotha", and The Black Smokinator wouldn't have laid the smackdown on his ass.

Oh, and I wonder if Eko said "You're all next" or did he specifically tell Locke "You're next", and Locke mistook it as "We're next"?

Just seems odd that the writers wouldn't just have Eko say it himself, so there's no grey (gray?) area.

And...

[spoil]If rumors are true that someone dies in the February premiere, which is a Juliet flashback, I wonder if Henry ends up dying on the operating table in that episode, and Juliet exposes herself for the evil person she might be. I think it was Raffiki that suggested she might be even more evil than Ben/Henry Gale is.[/spoil]

I actually kind of liked Paolo and Nikki. It's nice to have 2 characters who aren't wrapped up in the heavy drama, who aren't killers or whores(for now), just regular people on the island who use the toilet in the hatch. I thought they were fun additions.

Don't worry. We'll find out that Paolo is Nikki's pimp, and that he has killed some of his other whores in the past.

I like Nikki for her hotness, I'll have to see her more to find out if I like her for her character.

This week's episode was awesome. I'm gonna miss this so much after next week, but it will be great having back-to-back episodes come February.

IlikeNikki,butthenIlovedRelatedandshewasoneofthefoursistersinit,so.. Pauloisabitboringsofar,theyneedtohavehimdosomething.