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This week's sales:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/w ... isweek.php


Very strong start for The Proposal. I'm surprised...

Disappointing for Drag Me to Hell :(

Wolverine is holding pretty well actually.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
This week's sales:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/w ... isweek.php


Very strong start for The Proposal. I'm surprised...

Disappointing for Drag Me to Hell :(

Wolverine is holding pretty well actually.


The Proposal had a stronger first week than MVA did...amazing.


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Transformers 2 apparently sold 7.5 million units in its first week....that'd be absolutely amazing.


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60444

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And part of that from 1.2mill bluray, very nice sales.


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This week's sales:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/w ... isweek.php

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Geez Louise, the Transformers movies sell like mad


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It IS big for Transformers 2, but the first ne had an even much bigger start with 6.95 million units sold first week. The weaker WoM is definitely showing here. I expect it tofall off pretty quickly too, but it should manage to get to around 10-11 million sold units afterall. I expect Twilight to top it in the long run, though.


Very solid start for Wrong Turn 3. Better than Trick 'R Treat's actually.


The Dark Knight will soon cross 13 million. By the time the next Batman film is released it'll be at above 15 million, I bet.

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This week's sales:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/w ... isweek.php


That's BAAAAD for Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs, showing that its theatrical success was mainly due to 3D. I mean Ice Age 2 made slightly less in theatres, but opened with 4.4 million in sales. This barely managed more than half of that! I mean The Proposal started off with similar sales. Really disappointing, just like for Monsters Vs. Aliens. Even with the holidays ahead it probably won't top 6 million units in sales.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is doing very well of course and should top 10 million before the end of the year.

Same goes for Twilight. It's just unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if it wound up with more overall DVD sales eventually than Transformers 2.

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Studios are going to have to get used to it if they continue to use 3D as the sales of such films are likely to be lower than the theatrical gross would indicate, especially with family films. I wonder how The Final Destination will sell? How did My Bloody Valentine 3D do?


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So far 972,044 units.

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May I ask why we are even comparing this year's sales to 2 years ago?
It doesn't show bad WOM or anything really, because if you take a look at 2007 even those with bad WOM have outsold everything in 2009.

29. Eragon 3.9m units

It hasn't outsold 4 movies. Twilight, Madagascar 2, Transformers 2 and Bolt. So analysis is very limited.

28 movies in 2007 crossed 4m, 14 in 2008 and 4 in 2009.

I highly doubt people have just stopped buying, thus these numbers are wholly inaccurate and analysis is futile.
Consumers interests shift but not in fucking 2 years.

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BK wrote:
May I ask why we are even comparing this year's sales to 2 years ago?
It doesn't show bad WOM or anything really, because if you take a look at 2007 even those with bad WOM have outsold everything in 2009.

29. Eragon 3.9m units

It hasn't outsold 4 movies. Twilight, Madagascar 2, Transformers 2 and Bolt. So analysis is very limited.

28 movies in 2007 crossed 4m, 14 in 2008 and 4 in 2009.

I highly doubt people have just stopped buying, thus these numbers are wholly inaccurate and analysis is futile.
Consumers interests shift but not in fucking 2 years.


Well, the economy has gotten a lot worse in that time. It's not that difficult to believe really.


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*but if anything you can analyze the years releases with each other. that's about it really.

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BK wrote:
May I ask why we are even comparing this year's sales to 2 years ago?
It doesn't show bad WOM or anything really, because if you take a look at 2007 even those with bad WOM have outsold everything in 2009.

29. Eragon 3.9m units

It hasn't outsold 4 movies. Twilight, Madagascar 2, Transformers 2 and Bolt. So analysis is very limited.

28 movies in 2007 crossed 4m, 14 in 2008 and 4 in 2009.

I highly doubt people have just stopped buying, thus these numbers are wholly inaccurate and analysis is futile.
Consumers interests shift but not in fucking 2 years.


On the other hand, Wolverine actually is not performing much worse than X-Men 3 despite a smaller box-office. Worse, but not much worse. So comparisons are valid because the drop-off of Ice Age is quite huge.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
This week's sales:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/w ... isweek.php


That's BAAAAD for Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs, showing that its theatrical success was mainly due to 3D. I mean Ice Age 2 made slightly less in theatres, but opened with 4.4 million in sales. This barely managed more than half of that! I mean The Proposal started off with similar sales. Really disappointing, just like for Monsters Vs. Aliens. Even with the holidays ahead it probably won't top 6 million units in sales.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is doing very well of course and should top 10 million before the end of the year.

Same goes for Twilight. It's just unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if it wound up with more overall DVD sales eventually than Transformers 2.


Could the under performance of IA3/MVA be showing how much 3D ticket prices are inflating these films grosses and perceived popularity? I haven't done the calculations but I think both of those films prolly would have grossed in the 150M range without inflated ticket prices, I think even then these sales numbers would be slightly disappointing but still something to ponder.


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Dr. Lecter wrote:
This week's sales:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/w ... isweek.php


That's BAAAAD for Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs, showing that its theatrical success was mainly due to 3D. I mean Ice Age 2 made slightly less in theatres, but opened with 4.4 million in sales. This barely managed more than half of that! I mean The Proposal started off with similar sales. Really disappointing, just like for Monsters Vs. Aliens. Even with the holidays ahead it probably won't top 6 million units in sales.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is doing very well of course and should top 10 million before the end of the year.

Same goes for Twilight. It's just unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if it wound up with more overall DVD sales eventually than Transformers 2.


No dubt IA popularity has decreased in North America.

Overseas IA3 will sell like hot cakes.

But yeah still pretty bad for IA3. 3D helped it a lot else it would have done 140-150M dom.


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Y'all realize this guy is still posting the (arguably) more accurate figures for weekly/total DVD sales?

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.p ... &start=425

Ice Age 3 sold 2.935m units, which is more than what The Numbers estimated, but still not so hot.

The Numbers DVD guy even came over to this forum to address the inaccuracy issue:

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Hi Everyone,

This is Bruce Nash from Nash Information Services, LLC, the company that owns The Numbers web site and (amongst other things) tracks North American and international DVD sales. One of our readers pointed me towards this web site and told me there were some questions floating around about our charts.

I haven't had a chance to read through the whole of this thread, but to answer a couple of questions I have seen...

Our charts are for North American DVD sales at retail. We do track Blu-ray sales for our private clients, but don't track them on The Numbers web site at this time, and they are not included in our DVD charts.

All of the DVD sales charts that you see, whether published by us, Nielsen, Rentrak, or others, are estimated sales, usually based on retail surveys. In particular, Walmart, which has about 40% of the US market, does not share its sales data, so its sales have to be estimated. This can cause fairly large discrepancies in estimates between the different sales trackers.

One thing that does sometimes cause confusion with our charts is that we reconcile the surveys against more concrete data that becomes available later (e.g. studio announcements in SEC filings). We believe this allows us to produce the most accurate charts possible. The upshot of this process is that we adjust our estimates for earlier weeks, which can cause sales totals for individual titles to rise or fall, sometimes several months after they have been released. For more info on this, please see this thread on our forum: http://www.the-numbers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8980

I'm afraid I won't be able to follow this forum on an ongoing basis, but please do post on the forum at The Numbers if you have any questions about our charts. We'll be happy to address any questions that you have. If anyone would prefer to reach me directly, my email address is bruce.nash@the-numbers.com.

Thanks,
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To which the poster/source at that forum countered:

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I've noticed that sometimes there are big differences between the VideoScan charts and the numbers.com charts, and I'm not talking about the sales figures only.

For instance, on the week of 16 July 2006 "Napoleon Dynamite" was #1 on the numbers site, while on the VideoScan charts, that DVD title is not even on the Top 20 chart the same week.

Here's the numbers.com chart for 16/7/06:

1 (20) Napoleon Dynamite 555,778 497.7% - $8,247,746 - 82
2 (1) Failure to Launch 192,663 -62.5% 1,806,754 $3,036,369 $28,696,734 3
3 (-) Basic Instinct 2 179,948 -.-% 179,948 $2,825,184 $2,825,184 1
4 (2) Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 174,168 -44.7% - $3,486,425 - 137
5 (3) Eight Below 129,662 -51.3% 2,168,999 $3,888,563 $65,048,280 4
6 (28) Super Troopers 95,005 34.0% - $696,387 - 206
7 (13) Dave Chappelle's Block Party 78,290 -37.5% 818,872 $1,225,239 $12,936,024 5
8 (16) High School Musical 74,753 -26.5% 2,398,400 $1,479,362 $58,383,079 8
9 (4) Madea's Family Reunion 73,983 -70.1% 1,193,075 $1,174,850 $19,064,178 3
10 (12) Batman Begins 61,617 -54.8% - $923,639 - 39
11 (8) Ultraviolet 57,606 -64.4% 636,465 $972,389 $10,803,967 3
12 (22) Pink Panther, The (2006) 56,450 -37.2% 1,215,804 $1,023,439 $17,775,558 5
13 (14) Syriana 56,258 -49.5% 936,241 $774,110 $13,017,791 4
14 (9) Annapolis 55,680 -63.8% 555,898 $1,669,843 $16,671,381 3
15 (-) Reno 911 - The Complete Third Season 52,790 -.-% 52,790 $904,293 $904,293 1
16 (10) Madea Goes to Jail (play) 50,285 -66.0% 648,282 $775,395 $8,737,510 3
17 (23) Underworld - Evolution 48,744 -44.8% 2,583,923 $798,202 $42,388,865 6
18 (18) Hills Have Eyes, The 47,010 -51.8% 929,181 $782,717 $15,595,550 4
19 (5) Matador, The 47,010 -77.4% 255,086 $700,670 $3,820,790 2
20 (26) X-Men 44,028 -41.3% - $482,987 - 295
21 (19) Leroy and Stitch 43,157 -54.8% 282,860 $1,164,807 $7,634,391 3
22 (11) 16 Blocks 41,615 -71.2% 947,542 $568,045 $13,123,528 5
23 (21) Firewall 40,595 -55.1% 1,116,072 $553,310 $18,833,417 6
24 (-) Waiting 37,762 -.-% 1,522,173 $458,053 $28,726,905 23
25 (-) Cheaper by the Dozen 2 37,762 -.-% 1,520,710 $741,646 $22,217,974 8
26 (7) Glory Road 37,079 -77.8% 1,198,024 $1,111,999 $33,588,246 6
27 (6) Aquamarine 36,991 -80.9% 762,827 $652,891 $13,580,212 5
28 (15) Libertine, The 34,459 -66.1% 136,185 $514,473 $2,039,346 2
29 (24) World's Fastest Indian, The 34,258 -57.8% 375,709 $437,132 $5,209,775 5
30 (-) Underworld 34,234 -.-% - $461,365 - 132

...and here's the Nielsen VideoScan chart for the same week:

1 1 3 FAILURE TO LAUNCH Matthew McConaughey, Sarah Jessica Parker
2 NE 1 BASIC INSTINCT 2 Sharon Stone, David Morrissey
3 2 28 PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL J. Depp
4 3 4 EIGHT BELOW Paul Walker, Bruce Greenwood
5 10 8 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL Zac Efron, Vanessa Anne Hudgens
6 4 4 MADEA'S FAMILY REUNION Tyler Perry, Blair Underwood
7 6 3 ULTRAVIOLET Milla Jovovich, Cameron Bright
8 15 5 THE PINK PANTHER Steve Martin, Kevin Kline
9 9 4 SYRIANA George Clooney, Matt Damon
10 7 3 ANNAPOLIS James Franco, Tyrese Gibson
11 NE 1 RENO 911 - SEASON 3 Thomas Lennon, Ben Garant
12 8 3 MADEA GOES TO JAIL Tyler Perry, Cheryl "Pepsii" Riley
13 16 6 UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION Kate Beckinsale, Scott Speedman
14 5 2 THE MATADOR Pierce Brosnan, Greg Kinnear
15 12 4 THE HILLS HAVE EYES Aaron Stanford, Kathleen Quinlan
16 13 3 LEROY & STITCH Animated
17 RE 4 16 BLOCKS Bruce Willis, Mos Def
18 RE 5 WAITING Ryan Reynolds, Anna Faris
19 RE 6 CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN 2 Steve Martin, Bonnie Hunt
20 RE 4 AQUAMARINE Emma Roberts, Sara Paxton

There are similar differences. I understand that the numbers site is closer to the Rentrak estimates than the VideoScan, but sometimes those differences are really too big to ignore.

In my opinion the numbers site is OK for the box office stats, but when it comes to the DVD sales, there are many problems.

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WOW so you are telling me that dvd sale numbers posted on numbers.com doesn't include Walmart dvd sales!!! which account for 40%!! On top of that they don't count blu-ray sales.

Interesting. This means IA3 provbably sold 3+M DVD copies easily which still is not good because that means IA2 probably sold 5+M when it came out. Also if you haven't noticed IA2 and IA also made an entry in that chart.


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Dear god, I hate how inaccurate those numbers are.


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More fudging from the industry.

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More shit from the-numbers, reports say GI Joe sold 3.8m DVDs, the-numbers have 2.5m, 1.3m off. Fuck them.

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Just noticed the idiocy of CS Strowbridge. 2012 has no chance at 60m. What a fool. Pure idiocy.

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WOW so you are telling me that dvd sale numbers posted on numbers.com doesn't include Walmart dvd sales!!! which account for 40%!! On top of that they don't count blu-ray sales.

Interesting. This means IA3 provbably sold 3+M DVD copies easily which still is not good because that means IA2 probably sold 5+M when it came out. Also if you haven't noticed IA2 and IA also made an entry in that chart.


it does include walmart number. They just extrapolate walmart sales based on numbers they have without walmart. The BIG problem is walmart DOES NOT release their sales numbers. So the data we get either from Videoscan or rentrak are just speculation. Only studio will know the exact numbers.

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maybe people stopped buying DVDs because they got tired of getting cheated by studios re-releasing the same movie months after the first release?
maybe they're not converting fast enough to Blu-Ray because the studios are not only doing shitty transfers but like Warner Bros, refusing to release old titles and re-releasing the same damn movies again and again.

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