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The Dark Shape
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 Re: Mass Effect 3 I don't think it's hyperbole to say I think the game got everything right until the end. Just about every story thread resolution -- and I can't think of any loose ends -- was handled perfectly. And it made me cry. Laugh at me, but it happened twice. Mordin's death, as well as Legion. "Legion, the answer to your question is yes." "I know, Tali. But thank you. Keelah Se'Lai." The moment that really hit me -- and it's early in the game, so I'm not going to spoiler-tag it -- is when Liara prepares the VI warning future cultures about the Reapers. It really sold just how much of an ending this is; we're already at a point where we're leaving a Vigil.
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Magnus
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Re: Mass Effect 3 The Dark Shape wrote: I don't think it's hyperbole to say I think the game got everything right until the end. Just about every story thread resolution -- and I can't think of any loose ends -- was handled perfectly. And it made me cry. Laugh at me, but it happened twice. Mordin's death, as well as Legion. "Legion, the answer to your question is yes." "I know, Tali. But thank you. Keelah Se'Lai." The moment that really hit me -- and it's early in the game, so I'm not going to spoiler-tag it -- is when Liara prepares the VI warning future cultures about the Reapers. It really sold just how much of an ending this is; we're already at a point where we're leaving a Vigil. Yeah, those two moments choked me up as well. All-time gaming moments for me personally. Another great, non-sad moment of the game was when... Grunt came back alive at the end of the mission, all bloodied up. I thought for sure he was dead and died a warriors death (which I was fine with). But I was really glad to see him come back.
And Garrus/Shepard shooting stuff on top of the Citadel. I pretty much always took Garrus with me on my missions since ME1 and he's been my right-hand man (er, Turian). It was a great moment to see the two just acting like two friends, not caring about whats going in the galaxy around them. as for loose ends.... everything is sort of a loose end to me because you have no idea what the hell really happen to everyone who didnt die prior to the final mission. _________________
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Magnus wrote: Another great, non-sad moment of the game was when... Grunt came back alive at the end of the mission, all bloodied up. I thought for sure he was dead and died a warriors death (which I was fine with). But I was really glad to see him come back. Oh God, yeah. I was sure I'd just killed Grunt by saving the Queen. When he popped up... oh, I cheered like a mad man. Quote: And Garrus/Shepard shooting stuff on top of the Citadel. I pretty much always took Garrus with me on my missions since ME1 and he's been my right-hand man (er, Turian). It was a great moment to see the two just acting like two friends, not caring about whats going in the galaxy around them. "My name is Garrus Vakarian and this is now my favorite spot on the Citadel!" Everything with Shepard and Garrus was gold. I especially love their last conversation, with Garrus talking about meeting up in Heaven. Who was your love interest? Mine was Liara. I ended up stumbling into the main battery to find Garrus and Tali making out. That made me grin.
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Magnus
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Re: Mass Effect 3 also, if i have any major complaint outside ending, it would be James Vega. I think it was a mistake to bring a new character in, let alone an uninteresting human one. They only did it IMO because both Garrus/Tali could have died in ME2, so you really wouldn't have that many squad members if they are died. But they should have made him interesting. Maybe make him a Batarian (since thats the only humanoid alien race you never get to play with). Of course, Shepards actions from Arrival would make that complicated...though that would maybe be a good thing. though I do have a minor complaint with BioWare regarding the DLC... while it was totally worth the $10 to me, it was complete bullshit that it was a DLC. The Prothean should have been a standard squad member. He's far too interesting and his character is too connected with the story to just be a DLC. _________________
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Magnus
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Re: Mass Effect 3 The Dark Shape wrote: Who was your love interest? Mine was Liara. I ended up stumbling into the main battery to find Garrus and Tali making out. That made me grin. Mine was Tali, so I didn't see that. Though Garrus/Tali had playful back-and-forths with each other in both ME1/ME2 so it makes sense.
Was there that much unique dialogue with Liara when you went to the asari homeworld? I felt that there were a lot of lines during the quarrian mission that were there because I was in a relationship with Tali. _________________
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Liara's mother took her to the sanctuary when she was young. That's about all that I can remember.
I actually liked James, at least in comparison to the other humans. He was far more fun to me than Kaidan or Jacob were.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 The Dark Shape wrote: Liara's mother took her to the sanctuary when she was young. That's about all that I can remember.
I actually liked James, at least in comparison to the other humans. He was far more fun to me than Kaidan or Jacob were. Hmm..thought maybe they would have more unique dialogue. Did you have EDI talk about your relationship? On one mission, I took Tali/EDI and Tali and I started to flirt during the mission and EDI then said that there was no need to be discrete as she was aware of our physical attaraction to each other. It was one of the funniest moments in the game. _________________
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Mass Effect 3 No, but my squad was a pretty consistent combination of Garrus and Liara. I didn't mix n' match very much.
One thing I enjoyed was how 'alive' the crew felt. Getting them off the ship, having them move around, etc.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 The Dark Shape wrote: No, but my squad was a pretty consistent combination of Garrus and Liara. I didn't mix n' match very much.
One thing I enjoyed was how 'alive' the crew felt. Getting them off the ship, having them move around, etc. indeed. It was nice to see Garrus not in the main battery all the time. _________________
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Re: Mass Effect 3 after sleeping on it, I hate the ending even more. And like TDS, I can't stop thinking about it. Though the funny thing is that I actually felt that the last battle/mission of ME3 was the best of all the series. Much better than Saren and Human-Reaper. Oh and apparently.... Some fans are mad at BioWare cause they just photohsopped this stock photo for Tali and didnt actually spend the time to make a photo of their own..  I don't really mind cause shes a babe (both in human and alien form). _________________
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Deleted dialogue from the last Shepard/Anderson conversation. Oh, BioWare, why did you cut this? http://vulpesetuva.tumblr.com/post/1910 ... -one-thing
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Re: Mass Effect 3 WHY WOULD THEY CUT THAT!?!!?!?! That's maybe the best dialogue in the entire series. How does a company manage to make dozens of amazing hours of video game and then royally fuck up the last 10min?
And to say "no ending would have satisfied" everyone is a fair point. But there was at least a few endings that would have satisfied MOST people, none of which are available. Oh, and TDS.... have you read the theories that the last 10min is a hallucination and a way for the Reapers to try to indoctrinate Shepard? Some say thats why they present the "destroy the reapers" choice as a negative one and the other two choices as positives as the latter two don't destroy the Reapers.
I'm not buying it at all but some fans have gone to extremes in convincing themselves it is. I just think it was lazy/bad writing. _________________
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Wohooooo Hitler agrees with me and finds KOTOR better.
I am certainly not paying to get a better ending DLC. I will watch the DLCs on youtube in this case.
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Mass Effect 3 I'll buy DLC. Lair of the Shadow Broker was amazing.
Really, just give me an epilogue. I'm pretty much at peace with the choices presented.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 The Dark Shape wrote: I'll buy DLC. Lair of the Shadow Broker was amazing.
Really, just give me an epilogue. I'm pretty much at peace with the choices presented. Epilogue is a must. I don't like the choices but the lack of a epilogue is ridiculously lazy for the final entry of the series. It boggles my mind that BioWare went ahead without any sort of epilogue. Its a simple 5-min cutscene. Not that hard to add but very crucial to the overall game experience. _________________
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Speaking of follow-up material, people have been finding files hinting at DLC about retaking Omega for Aria.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 The Dark Shape wrote: Speaking of follow-up material, people have been finding files hinting at DLC about retaking Omega for Aria. Yeah. I sort of figured that would be the DLC cause they hint at it and there was an entire novel about it. Back to the Anderson audio... it seems that there is audio of Joker at the end as well, indciating that the Normandy was originally involved with conclusion.
This is KOTOR2 all over again. Cut content galore. Deja vu. _________________
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Well, it's a question of why it was cut. Sometimes things are cut for legitimate reasons. Harbinger's big speech in ME2 went on far longer than it does in the final game. Legion and Tali have audio for missions well before you can recruit them. Etc. The scene with Anderson is apparently a bit of a goof. He says he never had time for a family, yet the Shadow Broker had files saying he had a wife and son. Frankly, I would've been quite okay with that goof existing. 
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Re: Mass Effect 3 i blame the stupid leak. I fear BioWare tried to change stuff last minute because the release date was already set (and had already been pushed back).
Like, it just doesn't make any sense how a company whose brand of games are known for their meticulous detail has an ending that doesn't go into ANY details.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 We'll get some answers soon. Casey Hudson and Mac Walters are apparently going to talk about it once people have had a real chance to beat the game.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 My number one question to them: How the hell was Tali on the Normandy at the end if she was in my squad?!!!?!?!?!? That's the biggest plothole and mystery to me cause she was on my squad. I assume its just a glitch but if it isnt, then how the hell is that possible? _________________
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Think it's from the cut material. For one, there's some sort of control on this. Your squad can die from Harbinger's beam. I've seen videos where Shepard collapses next to Ashley, for instance. But assuming your squad lived (and mine did), Joker's cut dialogue makes mention of flying the Normandy by, taking a shot at the Reaper, and flying off. This gives Shepard and Anderson time to get through the beam.
However, some sort of block stops your squadmates. Joker has a cut line about "I'm bringing the girls with me," which in a squad with Liara and Ashley, would explain their survival.
I dunno. We'll see.
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Re: Mass Effect 3 Wait... if you dont see your squad mates, does that mean they live? cause i didnt see them. but in the cut-scene, I only see Tali come out of the Normandy, not Garrus. What determines their fate? _________________
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