International politics (China, Russia, UK, etc.)
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DP07
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Mr. R wrote: Some people here look really stupid in hindsight, to put it mildly. How close is it to the acceptance stage now? US and its 50 puppet allies couldn't do any real damage to Russian economy or society in 3 years, and they've tried hard. GDP growth is over 4%, production 4-5%, manufacturing 8-9%, budget deficit under 2% - 2 years in a row. And that's before our agent Trump came into play. All the foreign agents and traitors gone, culture, education and politics cleaned up, any pro-western sentiment is marginalized, many of those sad bastards now crying out in youtube that they have no money and can't return because of the legal implications. We're getting the new national elite from the front - uncorrupt, patriotic, conservative, pro-Russian, anti-immigrant. Import substitution and lack of competition has done wonders to the economy - a lot of companies I know doubled or tripled sales in 3 years. Make no mistake here - I've worked for major players in the biggest fmcg sectors and seen it all myself. Turned out all this time we had to feed Europe with our cheap resources and allowed them to enjoy huge margins in one of the biggest and most profitable consumer markets in the world. When those european bastards come crawling on all fours, the payback will be enourmous. We're gonna make them restore, rebuild and repay all the damages in Ukraine, Donbass and Crimea for the last 11 years, including death compensations for a million dead ukrainian soldiers, who didn't have to die. Yeah, you agreed with me because you’re Russian, but you’re also delusional because you’re Russian.
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DP07
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Mr. R wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: These “peace”’talks are a disgrace. It is basically the US and Russia figuring out how they can work together to win the war for Russia. What I think you don't understand is it's already done. You just see the media facade, but the real thing is already done. Ukraine didn't lose this war. USA and Europe did. Joe Biden did - he started the war with Russia and lost miserably, disgracefully, publicly, now they're gonna make the corrupt old fuck a scapegoat in history books. No one gives a damn about Europe. Europe has been our bitch for hundreds of years, coming for our vast resources and getting its ass kicked over and over again. But the big guys want to save face for the US before the world. US doesn't lose. And so that you commoners wouldn't feel bad, they're gonna open up about evil dictator zelensky, ukrainian nazism, biden's family corruption - for the sake of storytelling. If Kiev were at risk of falling anytime soon, it should have fallen already. Russia gained some cities, but few major ones. Only Pokrovsk could currently be considered at risk of falling in the near future.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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Mr. R wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: These “peace”’talks are a disgrace. It is basically the US and Russia figuring out how they can work together to win the war for Russia. What I think you don't understand is it's already done. You just see the media facade, but the real thing is already done. Ukraine didn't lose this war. USA and Europe did. Joe Biden did - he started the war with Russia and lost miserably, disgracefully, publicly, now they're gonna make the corrupt old fuck a scapegoat in history books. No one gives a damn about Europe. Europe has been our bitch for hundreds of years, coming for our vast resources and getting its ass kicked over and over again. But the big guys want to save face for the US before the world. US doesn't lose. And so that you commoners wouldn't feel bad, they're gonna open up about evil dictator zelensky, ukrainian nazism, biden's family corruption - for the sake of storytelling. The world isn’t about the fucking pathetic shit you stupid fucks believe (not Russia, but all of you guys). That’s not the way the world really works. You need to be silent.
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DP07
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Sad how we had the longest sustained peace in human global history and now we are going to fuck it up This isn’t even true. Rome was stable for longer. And the “Cold War” doesn’t exactly qualify either. Neither does 9/11, or the Islamic State. Plus, Coronavirus is a symptom as well of an unstable international economic and political system.
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DP07
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DP07 wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Sad how we had the longest sustained peace in human global history and now we are going to fuck it up This isn’t even true. Rome was stable for longer. And the “Cold War” doesn’t exactly qualify either. Neither does 9/11, or the Islamic State. Plus, Coronavirus is a symptom as well of an unstable international economic and political system. Also, that “stability” was due to nothing but the fossil fuel economy.
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Shack
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The mentality that led to Romania cancelling its election and arresting the would be winner for being far right, is a bigger threat to democracy in these NATO type countries than far right people actually winning. They weren't going to let a pro Russia guy win in one of the NATO countries bordering Ukraine.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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If someone runs to end democracy and the powers that make up the democracy block that person from winning because former party wants to, again, end democracy, then you have a pickle
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Shack
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This is weird to watch, I have more more respect for Zelenskyy after it for seeming real.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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It’s very clear you have to treat Trump like a toddler. The Taliban and Putin understand this, but Zelensky does not. You gotta make him feel like a big boy and is very special. Then you can get what you want from when you make him feel good about himself.
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Mr. R
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DP07 wrote: [ Yeah, you agreed with me because you’re Russian, but you’re also delusional because you’re Russian. Time to turn that page and move on before it's too late. Trump knows US lost and tries to cut the losses and save face. Go ahead and read first pages of this 3-year ongoing conversation and you'll see who's delusional. US greatly underestimated Russia in the long term and overestimated its own power and its allies. Ukraine lost when it started shelling Donetsk in early February 2022 and provoked Russia's answer. 3 years and a million deaths later it's getting the worst deal ever. But now it's not even about Ukraine - it's about Europe. US is taking NATO infrastructure back to pre-1997 like Putin demanded in 2021, EU pays all the damages, ukraine's demographics suffered irreparable blow, Eastern Europe got millions of far right refugees, Germany forever fucked up its economy. Oh, and next up is Baltics - time to get rid of Kaliningrad's blockade.
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Shack
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DP07
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Mr. R wrote: DP07 wrote: [ Yeah, you agreed with me because you’re Russian, but you’re also delusional because you’re Russian. Time to turn that page and move on before it's too late. Trump knows US lost and tries to cut the losses and save face. Go ahead and read first pages of this 3-year ongoing conversation and you'll see who's delusional. US greatly underestimated Russia in the long term and overestimated its own power and its allies. Ukraine lost when it started shelling Donetsk in early February 2022 and provoked Russia's answer. 3 years and a million deaths later it's getting the worst deal ever. But now it's not even about Ukraine - it's about Europe. US is taking NATO infrastructure back to pre-1997 like Putin demanded in 2021, EU pays all the damages, ukraine's demographics suffered irreparable blow, Eastern Europe got millions of far right refugees, Germany forever fucked up its economy. Oh, and next up is Baltics - time to get rid of Kaliningrad's blockade. TLDR: The opposite of delusion isn’t necessarily reality; it’s often another form of delusion. You can double down on stupidity and I won’t stop you. You completely lack the ability to be aware of your lack of intelligence. You’re obviously desperate although you lack the ability to be aware of it. I have no need of the “USA”. If it were still a strategic threat, I would take it more seriously now, but instead, that’s for the future. Zelenskyy was right to say that war would be felt in the future, but America has absolutely nothing to fear from Russian Soldiers. Rather ultimately others, although Trump is clearly an insignificant threat (like Putin). When the United States of America ends (no if), they will need our tolerance and patience. If they threaten us, they should fear us, absolutely, far more than any other.
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DP07
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: It’s very clear you have to treat Trump like a toddler. The Taliban and Putin understand this, but Zelensky does not. You gotta make him feel like a big boy and is very special. Then you can get what you want from when you make him feel good about himself. That’s not just Trump; that is a trait common to human (or Homo Sapien) nature. You tend to assume that you must be destined for something you are not: truly advanced civilization, intelligence, consciousness, and conscience.
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Mr. R
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Shack wrote:
This is weird to watch, I have more more respect for Zelenskyy after it for seeming real. More ukrainians will die because of that realism you liked.
Anyway, what's your eggs prices, guys? I hear there's some problem. 2 biggest food retailers in Russia ($1 is 90+ RUR), per 10: https://5ka.ru/catalog/yaytso--251C1318 ... =price_asc https://magnit.ru/catalog/4854-yaytso?s ... &order=asc
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Shack
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I think Russia should be condemned for invading Ukraine, otoh it seems like Ukraine's plan is to throw people into the meat grinder against them endlessly, and I think it if it continued for 2 more years Ukraine is more likely to collapse than Russia. Russia knows how to avoid being the country who's invasion collapses because they were not prepared to go that long, because that's usually how they win when countries invade them. Ultimately the best you can do may just be letting Russia have the captured territory and preventing a lot of deaths.
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Mr. R
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Shack wrote: I think Russia should be condemned for invading Ukraine, otoh it seems like Ukraine's plan is to throw people into the meat grinder against them endlessly, and I think it if it continued for 2 more years Ukraine is more likely to collapse than Russia. Russia knows how to avoid being the country who's invasion collapses because they were not prepared to go that long, because that's usually how they win when countries invade them. Ultimately the best you can do may just be letting Russia have the captured territory and preventing a lot of deaths. ukraine assembled troops and started shelling Donbass weeks before invasion, and Russia had to take in hundreds of thousands of refugees. ukraine is a corrupt nazi regime - it has to go, one way or another. Captured territory won't be enough - Putin's ultimatum stays, not only for ukraine, but for NATO as well (December 2021, to remind you). Then Europe will pay and repent - finance Donbass and new territories reconstruction (as well as Kursk territories), compensate sanctions to Russia, pay out all the pensions ukraine stole from Donbass population in 10 years. Then some form of long-term compensation to families and children of dead and wounded ukrainians (not involved in war crimes) should be established (like, education, housing, medical care).
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DP07
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Mr. R wrote: Shack wrote: I think Russia should be condemned for invading Ukraine, otoh it seems like Ukraine's plan is to throw people into the meat grinder against them endlessly, and I think it if it continued for 2 more years Ukraine is more likely to collapse than Russia. Russia knows how to avoid being the country who's invasion collapses because they were not prepared to go that long, because that's usually how they win when countries invade them. Ultimately the best you can do may just be letting Russia have the captured territory and preventing a lot of deaths. ukraine assembled troops and started shelling Donbass weeks before invasion, and Russia had to take in hundreds of thousands of refugees. ukraine is a corrupt nazi regime - it has to go, one way or another. Captured territory won't be enough - Putin's ultimatum stays, not only for ukraine, but for NATO as well (December 2021, to remind you). Then Europe will pay and repent - finance Donbass and new territories reconstruction (as well as Kursk territories), compensate sanctions to Russia, pay out all the pensions ukraine stole from Donbass population in 10 years. Then some form of long-term compensation to families and children of dead and wounded ukrainians (not involved in war crimes) should be established (like, education, housing, medical care). The irrational morality of other human, or hominid, species (including Homo Sapien) must be liable to reality. There is no right or ability to expect anything else.
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Shack
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Trudeau is finally gone and replaced by the most obvious banker globalist, World Economic Forum type guy possible in Mark Carney. But I think he might win as it's popular to be pissed at the tariff stuff right now.
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Algren
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Ukraine is so screwed. Russia's invasion will be a success. I don't know when but it wil happen. With the current US administration, there is just no stopping it. Trump is pro-Putin and pro-Soviet Union. He is not a president, he is a mafia boss, and that's precisely why he adores Putin. It's a sad time watching Trump and Putin divide up Ukraine between themselves.
Anyway, Ukraine is done. The rest of Europe need to move on to how they protect themselves against the next phase of Putin's war against the western world.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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You are probably right. But this might be the jolt Europe needs to take up the reigns as leaders of the free world. They have more people than the US by a lot and Russia too and better infrastructure and smarter people in charge. The hope for the free world rests on Europe’s shoulders now as one third of the US was fooled by tabloid crime boss who may more or may not have been a pawn in the continued war Russia is waging against the west
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stuffp
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Europe is way too diverse too unite as one front, I think not even 10% of Europeans would actually identify themselves as such. The European Union is handy for trying to keep the status quo of the economy, but other than that it just has not much going for it.
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DP07
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: You are probably right. But this might be the jolt Europe needs to take up the reigns as leaders of the free world. They have more people than the US by a lot and Russia too and better infrastructure and smarter people in charge. The hope for the free world rests on Europe’s shoulders now as one third of the US was fooled by tabloid crime boss who may more or may not have been a pawn in the continued war Russia is waging against the west You have no idea what you’re talking about. Your post is completely idiotic, stupid, narcissistic, arrogant, ignorant, and meaningless nonsense.
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DP07
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Algren wrote: Ukraine is so screwed. Russia's invasion will be a success. I don't know when but it wil happen. With the current US administration, there is just no stopping it. Trump is pro-Putin and pro-Soviet Union. He is not a president, he is a mafia boss, and that's precisely why he adores Putin. It's a sad time watching Trump and Putin divide up Ukraine between themselves.
Anyway, Ukraine is done. The rest of Europe need to move on to how they protect themselves against the next phase of Putin's war against the western world. Trump isn’t “Pro-Soviet” anymore than Kennedy was. Putin prioritizes Russia, or is “Russia First” rather than “Pro-Soviet” per se. The Soviet Union is part of Russian history, as is the Russian Empire. He supported Kamala, and I certainly believe he meant it, but even if he may agree more politically with Democrats, he also works with Trump, and perhaps has less of an enemy, and more leverage and opportunity to try to bargain, ultimatum, force, or, perhaps, blackmail for his demands. It works because Trump seems willing to compromise almost anything to try to make a “Deal”. Putin also may work with Asian states like North Korea, but will also work with African states, or Iran, and was an ally of Assad until the end. He seems to prioritize economics and trade over politics, which includes the politics and economics of communism or socialism.
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Algren
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: The hope for the free world rests on Europe’s shoulders now as one third of the US was fooled by tabloid crime boss who may more or may not have been a pawn in the continued war Russia is waging against the west Honestly a guy at work the other day said Trump was a Russian spy, or words to that effect, and I laughed. But his recent actions are starting to make me think otherwise. He has pulled out of the organisation that has an arrest warrant out for Putin. It's little things like this that prove that if he isn't a Russian agent then he is seriously compromised. Everything he does seems in Russia's favour, which is just fucking nuts. It is no different than if in 1942 the USA partnered with Nazi Germany. And to think we ALMOST avoided this. If only it were two inches to the right, this problem wouldn't exist today. Crooks should have had actual target lessons. It might have all been so different if he had.
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DP07
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Algren wrote: Ukraine is so screwed. Russia's invasion will be a success. I don't know when but it wil happen. With the current US administration, there is just no stopping it. Trump is pro-Putin and pro-Soviet Union. He is not a president, he is a mafia boss, and that's precisely why he adores Putin. It's a sad time watching Trump and Putin divide up Ukraine between themselves.
Anyway, Ukraine is done. The rest of Europe need to move on to how they protect themselves against the next phase of Putin's war against the western world. The “Western World” has no future but essentially as vassal states. The “North America Empire” (The USA), and “North Atlantic Empire” (NATO), have started to end. It won’t be Russia, or certainly not Putin’s Russia, to end it though. There is limited risk of Ukraine losing territory in the near future. You guys have no idea what you’re talking about.
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