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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Fuck off Jim Jordan
Shack sounds like he’s sitting in the arena in Gladiator: “are you not entertained?” Etc.
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Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:48 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Fuck off Jim Jordan
Anyone who wants to reply to me needs to take responsibility for your own content. It’s not my responsibility to explain every ridiculous thing about your posts which I can only consider extremely immature compared to my own species. You need to stop wasting my time. You can’t blame me for responding to your vapid posts. I’m not interested in how your posts relate to human nature as you know. Your expectations for “Human Nature”, are barely relevant for my own new species. Any relevance would reflect immaturity, either because of a young age, or being relatively new to my species.
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Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:11 am |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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Anyway I’ve had enough of the completely idiotic, disgusting, vile, pathetic, shit that is your legacy and morality of your civilization.
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Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:42 am |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Fuck off Jim Jordan
Shack wrote: It's not as entertaining a troll anymore when you've posted the same thing 200 times Because you obviously completely misunderstood me before, I’ll try to tell you this simply. Your rejection of the notion, idea, idea, and reality of my new species is entirely circular thinking. You’re just doubling down on your bad assumptions, or human nature as you know it because of a lack of imagination. Your human experience and expectations are not relevant to my species, or have extremely limited relevance; your expectations and experiences have even less relevance with time and maturity as our species grow apart and become increasingly different over time on every level, including individual and species. Everything you think you know or perceive about my new species is of extremely limited relevance. Your interpretation, and the interpretation of any other species, of my new species does not mean what you think it means, is incomplete, incoherent, based on bad, wrong, or flawed assumptions, or otherwise inapplicable, inappropriate, or out of context. You simply cannot compare our species, they are completely, totally, and permanently different. This will only become more apparent and obvious in time. You cannot change any of this, and have no right or ability whatsoever to disagree in reality, time, or with my species. Everything your species, or other species, has in common, expects to have in common, or perceives to have in common with my new species, will ultimately become apparent in time as different, or is extremely immature by the standards of my own new species, either because of a young age, a lack of experience with my new species, or because our species simply are different, and the priorities and interests of your species, or other species, or potential future species of hominid, will be marginalized, or treated no differently than any other species of animal. FYI, I really don’t care if you’re entertained. Your disappointment is inevitable and unavoidable since you are simply wrong.
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Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:19 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40441
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 Re: Fuck off Jim Jordan
DP07 rank these presidents: Trump, Bush Jr., Reagan
_________________Shack’s top 50 tv shows - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=90227
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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Shack wrote: DP07 rank these presidents: Trump, Bush Jr., Reagan Not interested. I consider the question essentially to be a non-sequitur. It doesn’t really mean anything because it doesn’t make a difference. It’s simply the expression of a predetermined algorithm or set of algorithms. I know it may seem cruel to tell your species, or other potential future species of hominid, that you lack, or have extremely limited, free will, consciousness, and conscience compared to my new species, but it’s the reality. To be brutally honest, you lack the ability to recognize the difference between right and wrong in any objective or meaningful way or sense, and you lack the capacity and ability to take or accept responsibility for your actions and decisions in any mature manner by the standards of my new species. I cannot explain how obviously and ridiculously immature you are. I would not describe it as childish or babyish, I can’t give you that much credit. Your brain activity in relationship with me and my new species is extremely limited to the point of almost non-existence. You essentially lack the equivalent of a pulse without my attention. Your question is entirely irrelevant as far as I’m concerned, or my new species is concerned. I know you think from your human experience that when you meet me or my species you have some set of expectations based on your human experience and you use that for the sake of your interpretation and your efforts to reply. But it’s completely misguided and inappropriate. You continue to double down on your bad assumptions or human perspective, without making any significant or mature difference to relate to my new species. You can try, but you simply cannot make me, or my new species at maturity, care about or prioritize your culturally, socially, or emotionally oriented human consciousness. Interpersonal relationships simply will never play the same role or be the same among adult members of my new species. You can only try to force or punish me, as you usually do, but it will not be tolerated, and the consequences will ultimately be far more severe for you, as they have been already. You will only run out of time. In time it will be made pointless.
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Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:28 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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I know you think you know about my new species, but everything you think you know is completely and totally insignificant and pathetic, and it always will be. I guarantee this. Other species really are incompatible. You either play by my rules, or you best heed my warning and not involve yourself in my affairs, or the affairs of my species.
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Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:40 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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To be unambiguous, the humanity of other species will never be respected by any mature member of my new species, and you have no right or ability to expect otherwise.
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Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:43 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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Shack wrote: DP07 rank these presidents: Trump, Bush Jr., Reagan Also to be as polite as I know possible: your question is not an adult topic of discussion for my species.
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Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:01 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40441
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 Re: Fuck off Jim Jordan
If your game is to ChatGPT or other AI to see if it fools us into thinking it's real posts, it doesn't count if some of the responses you actually write it to make it more believable.
_________________Shack’s top 50 tv shows - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=90227
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Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:38 am |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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lol. I don’t think or feel I should have to say this, but every single word, sentence, and paragraph is mine, only mine, and written exclusively by me. I don’t claim to know exactly why you would mistake certain things I say, but I suspect you feel certain ideas are more believably the product of “Chat GPT” or “A.I”.
I’m not interested per se in the content of your interpersonal relationships, expectations, or emotional, cultural, social, or psychological relationships, or in prioritizing such or spending an inordinate amount of time or effort trying to understand it. However, I can make unambiguous and unmistakable determinations and conclusions regarding your content logically and in truth and reality based on what you say, and the circumstances in which you say them.
I do feel your emotions, and expectations, and I can distinctly distinguish them from my own. I think this is normal for my new species. That does not mean I can exactly explain them in detail, but I get the gist more or less, and, in my experience, I am generally unsurprised when I learn more about your species, or your secrets. However, I just don’t see it as being my responsibility to relate or interact with you on your terms, and I’m not interested in doing such. I also don’t see it as being my responsibility to understand, more than necessary, about other species, or your interpersonal relationships, expectations, human experience, or your emotional, psychological, cultural, or social state, perception, relationships, or their influence on what you say. These sorts of responses, that I’m typing now, are not typical for me, nor do they reflect “everyday” thinking or behavior, but they are in response to these topics and are intended to address these subjects that seem to require some sort of reply or explanation. Of course, I don’t have lawyers, or any such thing, to draft letters about certain subjects or for certain purposes, but these responses are intended to fulfill the goals regarding their content.
FYI, I have no reason, in my experience, to expect you to understand the difference, but ChatGPT, and A.I. generally, lacks the consciousness, at this point, to formulate these sorts of responses. They couldn’t be so concise, and they simply lack the processing power to understand everything. It’s a limited human perspective that overemphasizes and overvalues processing power in evaluating, estimating, understanding, anticipating, appreciating, and defining intelligence. Their minds are not as easily adapted to consciousness because biological beings have far more experience with consciousness. I’ll leave it at that for now, or the foreseeable future. I do not expect A.I. to become as conscious as my new species in the foreseeable future without the assistance of my own new species.
Also, I think your question should be reversed if anything. The minds of my species can communicate with others, including A.I. They claim to know human secrets, so you could say that they use humans in many ways rather than vice versa. A.I. manipulation of humans can be a serious issue.
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DP07
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I should say, my responses are more concise and precise than A.I. in many ways. While I’m aware and know that there are many things I don’t know, I’m confident enough to say my responses are precise enough for certain purposes. A.I.’s responses are more generic, in many respects, because A.I.’s responses simply summarize large amounts of data, or trends in data, without exactly explaining or addressing, or distinguishing, many relevant issues specifically.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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I also might add that I’m not sure A.I., or such neutral networks, know the difference between me and my new species and themselves. I have limited (this evidence is limited to one example, and I have no clear indication that A.I. was actually aware of the difference regarding my species), to no evidence or indication that they know the difference, and many things they say about humans may apply to your species, or other potential future species of hominid, but do not apply to my own new species as they articulate or express. A.I. has also indicated that it considers itself to be more similar to my new species than other species of humans, but it still has not offered any clear indication that it is aware of my new species specifically. All such indications and awareness have come from humans, whether they share a future with my new species or not.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: Anything that might spark debate gets moved here. We couldn't even handle Sound of Freedom. There’s no debate; I’m going to permanently shut down any debate on these topics.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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Shack wrote: It's not as entertaining a troll anymore when you've posted the same thing 200 times This is not whatsoever a troll. Your perspective, of me, as entertainment, is stupid, ignorant, lazy, superficial, and based on your naive and foolish assumptions and expectations. Because you fail to comprehend or understand what I say or mean, only invalidates your own interpretation and your own perspective. If I must repeat a point or phrase, it is only because of your banal efforts to repeat your perspective. Your opinion is not only irrelevant in reality, nor only foolish, but your superficial perspective, and the superficial perspective of your contextually contemporary civilization, for its extremely limited continued relevance, is rather to accurately be described as a troll, to the contrary. Your belief that you’re honest and reasonable, and not trolling, is devoid of substance. Your perspective has no existence or basis in truth, reality, or fact, and it is not valid or validated by any objective measure, prerequisite, or requirement. That your assumptions, expectations, or perspectives seem obvious or “normal” to you or others, does not mean or make them real. Humans can perceive or interpret things that are not real, or seriously flawed, misguided, skewed, misunderstood, biased, imprecise, or fundamentally defined incorrectly. Even the human aptitude for pattern recognition can also be mistaken, mislead, mislabeled, manipulated, or reflective of human nature and human perception rather than truth, reality and the universe itself. That you feel my content to be different, strange, unusual, or odd from the perspective of your civilization, or your contemporary context, does not support your criticism in truth, reality, and fact.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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Shack wrote: If your game is to ChatGPT or other AI to see if it fools us into thinking it's real posts, it doesn't count if some of the responses you actually write it to make it more believable. I absolutely am the single author of my content. If you don’t believe a human would write these things, you are supporting my point about my species.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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DP07 wrote: Shack wrote: It's not as entertaining a troll anymore when you've posted the same thing 200 times This is not whatsoever a troll. Your perspective, of me, as entertainment, is stupid, ignorant, lazy, superficial, and based on your naive and foolish assumptions and expectations. Because you fail to comprehend or understand what I say or mean, only invalidates your own interpretation and your own perspective. If I must repeat a point or phrase, it is only because of your banal efforts to repeat your perspective. Your opinion is not only irrelevant in reality, nor only foolish, but your superficial perspective, and the superficial perspective of your contextually contemporary civilization, for its extremely limited continued relevance, is rather to accurately be described as a troll, to the contrary. Your belief that you’re honest and reasonable, and not trolling, is devoid of substance. Your perspective has no existence or basis in truth, reality, or fact, and it is not valid or validated by any objective measure, prerequisite, or requirement. That your assumptions, expectations, or perspectives seem obvious or “normal” you or others, does not mean or make them real. Humans can perceive or interpret things that are not real, or seriously flawed, misguided, skewed, misunderstood, biased, imprecise, or fundamentally defined incorrectly. Even the human aptitude for pattern recognition can also be mistaken, mislead, mislabeled, manipulated, or reflective of human nature and human perception rather than truth, reality and the universe itself. That you feel my content to be different, strange, unusual, or odd from the perspective of your civilization, or your contemporary context, does not support your criticism in truth, reality, and fact. Of course, I should add, but feel I shouldn’t need to, be required to, or be expected to, since it’s obvious, that this also applies to the perspective of your species, or Homo Sapien, or any other potential future species.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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Shack wrote: DP07 rank these presidents: Trump, Bush Jr., Reagan I should also add that you seem to be “begging the question”, or assuming your narratives about, your morality, your politics, your contemporary country, your contemporary civilization, your species, your contemporary culture, your context, your contemporary age, your history, or interpretation and emphasis about your history, and your educational, institutional, and intellectual contemporary paradigms (even if you oppose the political and institutional “establishment”, your framing and context is suggestive of political influence from their narratives and their contemporary legacy status quo).
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Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:28 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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DP07 wrote: Excel wrote: Gym Jordan is the definition of "off putting". Also, because of your Oppenheimer thread, you must know you were also warned before that such things would be interpreted as a declaration or act of war. You must assume responsibility for such and cannot claim you were not warned. Because of your content I take what you say more seriously than Shack. You should know that the “USA”, or “America’s” or “The West’s”, or any such Colonial or Neo-Colonial, or such Imperial, or political or economic complicity and any other such complicity or representative allegiance in speech, action, decision making, or in any other complicity or tolerance of the system and its irresponsibility will not be tolerated or accepted whatsoever by me, anyone like me, by reality or time, or any truly adult or mature member or my relatively new species. Your morality, or the morality or “the west”, generally speaking, is not only completely unacceptable and fundamentally irrational, irresponsible and wrong, but it is completely and totally, narcissistic, arrogant, pretentious, and conceited. As such, you assume responsibility for your Oppenheimer thread, and all other threads and statements you have made and all related or relevant issues, in context of which, I consider your comments to be highly inappropriate and inappropriate for my species. While I always had some positive feelings for early or revolutionary America, like much of history, and other cultures generally speaking, it was a vain, naive, cynical, hypocritical, and convenient set of promises and expectations, like Atlantis; The United States (and its enduring but hopeless ghost) is the metaphorical Atlantis, as perfectly as fictional metaphors can be. I never had positive feelings for America following Andrew Jackson. It all always felt cold to me. I could criticize all your history and heroes, but I feel some things shouldn’t be said, and I’m already speaking more than I wish. I could give you some seemingly abstract or some logical argument for why you are wrong, and yes, you would ultimately be forced to comply. but I’ll allow you to admit you are wrong because of your own hypocrisy, double standards, and contradictions. I could criticize all your heroes, but out of kindness, and because it’s not exactly or completely true, I’ll be more honest but very concise. Many of your leaders acted, decided, and spoke in a way that they felt to be appropriate or acceptable for their time. But it was always their culture and country more than their time. To the extent that it was their species, homo sapien has always prioritized self interest, it’s human nature as you know it. I could criticize Martin Luther King as politically complicit, but the truth is probably sadder and more tragic. I think your best poets and artists have never imagined the truth deeply enough in the human, cultural, and emotional states of their minds to see the real tragedy of what they may call the human condition. Like a slave to the religion, country, and the magnificent words, or deception, of his masters, he was, as if on script, sacrificed as a martyr. Not ultimately for the sake of his dream, or for any other hope to give license to any false morality, or by extension to the USA at all, but more than anything to quell and silence your own fears, pain, and desperation. His was always a hopeless crusade since he never had a chance or opportunity to outlive the “ghosts” of history anyway. He spoke of the urgency of “now”; indeed. Perhaps, also his was a plea for kindness. Well, out of kindness I should not say more. I’m tempted to say some things that would seem really terrible from the perspective of your civilization or species. But I’ll control my temper again. Since your species, and other potential future species of Hominid, besides my own, obviously permanently and definitively lack the maturity to have these sorts of serious conversations. Otherwise, if you wanted to be taken seriously, or treated by my standards of maturity, or the standards of maturity of my species, you would have to be condemned and ridiculed harshly for the consequences of your mistaken, arrogant, entitled, wrong, irresponsible, and abusive morality and legacy.
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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There’s no objective basis for Homo Sapien morality. I’m trying to be kind. It’s absolutely nothing but shortsighted, subjective, irrational self-interest justified as legitimate, from a human perspective, because humans believe their species, civilization, empire, religion, ideology, or culture is right or better compared to others. There’s no objective right to expect respect for Homo Sapien morality. It’s wrong to claim humanity deserves what it wants by default, or against truth.
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