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Why do modern people become communists?
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Shack
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 Why do modern people become communists?
For neo nazis there is a pretty straight forward explanation, they’re racist.
But what’s the hook for the first worlder who’s enjoyed the fruits of capitalism their whole life like their IPhone and daily Starbucks to want to tear it all down? Russians a hundred years ago could think the grass is greener cause they were replacing failing Tsar system anyway. Is it because it’s not the “mainstream” view, jealousy over rich people, or not being to own up that their failures like having an arts degree that didn’t led to anything had anything to do with them?
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
For the first question, is there really any person like that? And then, I mean the only first worlders who I can imagine having the commie view are those who did not enjoy the fruits of capitalism in the country they grew up in. And the second question, yeah all of those things could be a factor, which I think come forth from either a lack of maturity or intellect.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:32 am |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
The explanation is simple and you answered your own question. The grass is always greener. Yes we have better accommodations, but the human desire something better, particularly when several people are struggling with living in a world where they do work hard, sometimes even working two jobs, but see their parents having an easier life and think the answer exists in a system that is not their own.
Also people have become lazier with more modern accommodations.’so they want easier answers to accommodate for their shortcomings and communism is an easy answer
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:23 am |
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68286 Location: Seattle, WA
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Because as a theory it sounds fairer, which it obviously isn't but to someone that is down on their luck it SOUNDS fairer. In reality and in practice it breeds corruption and all the rest. Every time it has been tried in human history it has been a failure.
In the west, whenever something doesn't work out for certain people they want to rip up the script instead of working hard. Also, low-value people like the idea of communism because they are not reeping any rewards in meritocracies where talent is rewarded. Grass is always greener mentality. And finally, communist nations control the media, they only let out the good stories and images so people on the outside only see how good it is and not all the terrible stuff, this is perfect for low IQ people.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:45 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Essentially because it doesn’t incentivize production, development, or distribution, appropriately, efficiently, accurately, responsibly, or accountably. Of course, on a large, or grand scale, those are the fundamental problems with capitalism itself. So I would say that it’s not inaccurate to say that the solution for capitalism is more capitalism, or a system, or systems, that would be considered even further on the spectrum of capitalism as more capitalist than capitalism itself, but without, or with less, of what you may generally consider “greed”.
In other words, to be concise, your politics, and political system, has it all completely and totally wrong.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:01 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Algren wrote: Because as a theory it sounds fairer, which it obviously isn't but to someone that is down on their luck it SOUNDS fairer. In reality and in practice it breeds corruption and all the rest. Every time it has been tried in human history it has been a failure.
In the west, whenever something doesn't work out for certain people they want to rip up the script instead of working hard. Also, low-value people like the idea of communism because they are not reeping any rewards in meritocracies where talent is rewarded. Grass is always greener mentality. And finally, communist nations control the media, they only let out the good stories and images so people on the outside only see how good it is and not all the terrible stuff, this is perfect for low IQ people.  Stupid.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:03 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Guys on the internet claim that patriarchy doesn’t exist. No, it includes the way capitalism and your political system (or “democracy”) are designed. Including, for example, its risk/reward paradigms.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:11 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40438
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
DP07 wrote: Essentially because it doesn’t incentivize production, development, or distribution, appropriately, efficiently, accurately, responsibly, or accountably. Not bad, tbh.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:28 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Shack wrote: DP07 wrote: Essentially because it doesn’t incentivize production, development, or distribution, appropriately, efficiently, accurately, responsibly, or accountably. Not bad, tbh. I don’t take, or feel that, to be a compliment. Your comment is, of course, completely subjective. I’m certain you feel so because I’m agreeing with your status quo. It can be human habit to see human relations as competitive, or often “zero sum games”, especially between different cultures or groups of humans. My priority isn’t to compete and win at the expense of others, but I’ll absolutely do and say what’s necessary to protect myself and my species.
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:10 pm |
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Shack
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
DP07 wrote: Shack wrote: DP07 wrote: Essentially because it doesn’t incentivize production, development, or distribution, appropriately, efficiently, accurately, responsibly, or accountably. Not bad, tbh. I don’t take, or feel that, to be a compliment. Your comment is, of course, completely subjective. I’m certain you feel so because I’m agreeing with your status quo. It can be human habit to see human relations as competitive, or often “zero sum games”, especially between different cultures or groups of humans. My priority isn’t to compete and win at the expense of others, but I’ll absolutely do and say what’s necessary to protect myself and my species. I have seen it argued this is kind of similar to how commies feel. They feel like the natural state is a interconnectedness and world village that is impossible with capitalism and competition and therefore their utopia is something of a spiritual rebirth for humans. They don't realize that even in our most primitive hunter and gatherer type times we were killing each other, such as how act like the natives were just peacefully working the land before the white man came and ruined their paradise, when in reality the natives were already in violent warfare with each other.
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Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:51 pm |
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DP07
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
I don’t feel like, or care at all about Communist ideals.
My priorities I mentioned in the post have nothing to do with ideology, or even necessarily my species; they were about me personally, and also about this stage of my life, as well as a reference to gender or what seems to the difference between your expectations of gender versus my own. If you interpret that as “Communist”, that is a product of your perspective, worldview, or experience.
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Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:11 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Shack wrote: For neo nazis there is a pretty straight forward explanation, they’re racist.
But what’s the hook for the first worlder who’s enjoyed the fruits of capitalism their whole life like their IPhone and daily Starbucks to want to tear it all down? Russians a hundred years ago could think the grass is greener cause they were replacing failing Tsar system anyway. Is it because it’s not the “mainstream” view, jealousy over rich people, or not being to own up that their failures like having an arts degree that didn’t led to anything had anything to do with them? I do think it not inaccurate to call them “neo-communists”. Trump might claim he’s not a “neo-nazi”, for whatever that means, since his politics have differences as far as he is concerned. They also claim not to be fascists. But he has sympathized with many such ideologies, and there was a confederate flag, and a T-Shirt for Auschwitz on January 6th. So, I think it’s accurate to call them Neo-Fascists. I consider the terms “Neo-Fascist” and “Neo-Communist” to be as accurate as “Neo-Conservative” or “Neo-Liberal”. If you wanted to call me a “Neo-Capitalist”, I wouldn’t protest. I’d consider it superficial, contemporary, and of limited relevance, but in context, at least of capitalism, or classical capitalism, it’s not functionally dishonest from the perspective and experience of others.
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Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:16 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
I agree with anti-colonialism, but not Communism, or any other form of anti-capitalism besides my own.
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Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:19 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
So you don’t misunderstand me, I’m not anti-empire, or anti-imperialism necessarily; like Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I’ll fight any enemy that attacks or threatens me or my species though, of course. But I’m anti-classical European style colonialism, and neo-colonialism, including contemporary NATO, etc.
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Sun Jan 26, 2025 12:56 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
DP07 wrote: Shack wrote: For neo nazis there is a pretty straight forward explanation, they’re racist.
But what’s the hook for the first worlder who’s enjoyed the fruits of capitalism their whole life like their IPhone and daily Starbucks to want to tear it all down? Russians a hundred years ago could think the grass is greener cause they were replacing failing Tsar system anyway. Is it because it’s not the “mainstream” view, jealousy over rich people, or not being to own up that their failures like having an arts degree that didn’t led to anything had anything to do with them? I do think it not inaccurate to call them “neo-communists”. Trump might claim he’s not a “neo-nazi”, for whatever that means, since his politics have differences as far as he is concerned. They also claim not to be fascists. But he has sympathized with many such ideologies, and there was a confederate flag, and a T-Shirt for Auschwitz on January 6th. So, I think it’s accurate to call them Neo-Fascists. I consider the terms “Neo-Fascist” and “Neo-Communist” to be as accurate as “Neo-Conservative” or “Neo-Liberal”. If you wanted to call me a “Neo-Capitalist”, I wouldn’t protest. I’d consider it superficial, contemporary, and of limited relevance, but in context, at least of capitalism, or classical capitalism, it’s not functionally dishonest from the perspective and experience of others. There are neo commies in the sense that since racism is more relevant than classism in modern day America, they can remix the framework and make race or gender a bigger part of it, with straight white males representing the capitalist oppressive rulers who are hording all the money from the minorities. But it's possible those people are just secretly garden variety, class driven Marxists and looking for a more emotionally hooking way to sell it easier to today's public, and honestly my original post can be posed to explain the regular, Lenin in the twitter avatar and all type of commies as well, so maybe saying neo communists was unnecessary.
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Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:06 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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Also so you don’t misunderstand me, it wouldn’t be satire to say that I’d be interested in a nazi multi-cultural understanding day.
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Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:27 pm |
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DP07
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Shack wrote: DP07 wrote: Shack wrote: For neo nazis there is a pretty straight forward explanation, they’re racist.
But what’s the hook for the first worlder who’s enjoyed the fruits of capitalism their whole life like their IPhone and daily Starbucks to want to tear it all down? Russians a hundred years ago could think the grass is greener cause they were replacing failing Tsar system anyway. Is it because it’s not the “mainstream” view, jealousy over rich people, or not being to own up that their failures like having an arts degree that didn’t led to anything had anything to do with them? I do think it not inaccurate to call them “neo-communists”. Trump might claim he’s not a “neo-nazi”, for whatever that means, since his politics have differences as far as he is concerned. They also claim not to be fascists. But he has sympathized with many such ideologies, and there was a confederate flag, and a T-Shirt for Auschwitz on January 6th. So, I think it’s accurate to call them Neo-Fascists. I consider the terms “Neo-Fascist” and “Neo-Communist” to be as accurate as “Neo-Conservative” or “Neo-Liberal”. If you wanted to call me a “Neo-Capitalist”, I wouldn’t protest. I’d consider it superficial, contemporary, and of limited relevance, but in context, at least of capitalism, or classical capitalism, it’s not functionally dishonest from the perspective and experience of others. There are neo commies in the sense that since racism is more relevant than classism in modern day America, they can remix the framework and make race or gender a bigger part of it, with straight white males representing the capitalist oppressive rulers who are hording all the money from the minorities. But it's possible those people are just secretly garden variety, class driven Marxists and looking for a more emotionally hooking way to sell it easier to today's public, and honestly my original post can be posed to explain the regular, Lenin in the twitter avatar and all type of commies as well, so maybe saying neo communists was unnecessary. What is this nonsense? You seem to be conflating “liberal”, “woke”, “progressive”, and “socialist”. Support for one doesn’t necessitate support for another…anyway… What was Bernie Sanders whole campaign? Both times? What “revolution” did he want? He has statements from decades of supporting regimes like Cuba. What was the “Green New Deal”? Or “Build Back Better”? The “Inflation Reduction Act” had a fraction of the $6 Billion Bernie Sanders originally wanted and started planning for. What was Luigi Mangione’s manifesto about? Or the political controversy afterwards? Even Ben Shapiro’s audience was complaining about the rich and economic classes.
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Flava'd vs The World
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
There are no more real communists. Even the so-called communist countries just have a select few rich people that own everything while everyone is equally poor. Sounds similiar to what half of this country wants, but ironically its also the half that claims to hate communism.
Democratic ideology is similair to how Marx and Lenin originally dreamed of it. Republican ideology is similiar to how communism actually turned out.
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DP07
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
It’s human, or Homo Sapien nature; like religion; ideology doesn’t have much to do with reality.
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Shack
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 Re: Why do modern people become communists?
Flava'd vs The World wrote: Even the so-called communist countries just have a select few rich people that own everything while everyone is equally poor. Always been that way, it's such a nice sounding package to sell to people that if they just give them total power they'll solve the world's problems and take out the oppressive wrongdoers who are responsible for it all, but the end result ends up the definition of class divides with people like Mao and Stalin living like kings while people with no power over their lives starve to death. Meanwhile in the western countries they did a pretty good job naturally going from "I will not permit my daughter to marry a lower class man!" type era to now where people don't care without having to go through all the brainwashing and millions of deaths of communist countries.
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DP07
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lol
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