Goldie is not going to be permantly banned, he has done nothing to warrant it.

It is not my desire to lose a member of our community, any member, instead I want to do everything possible to make that person a valuable addition to our community.

Listen, Goldie came back from his 7 day ban angry, and do you honestly blame him? He has taken the brunt of the responsibility for the fighting between himself and Lecter, something that couldn't have been easy. Lecter and Goldie were both fighting, it takes two too tango. But unfourtunatly, the moderating team decided rather easily that it was Goldie who started the most recent event, and thus we placed the blame on him. Things were said by both parties, but we punished Goldie. It is not an easy thing to take if your on the recieveing end, it will often seem as if people are ganging up on you, and that the other person involved is getting off scott free. Not a position I envy.

I am asking all of you, give goldie a chance. He is a good poster, he is intelligent, and if he wants to be a part of this message board he deserves that chance, and you all owe it to him ... or anyone else wanting to join the community ... to give him that chance. Yes he has fought with Lecter, Box has fought with Arch, Mav has fought with Loyal. We deal wih it, and move on, we try and forgive and forget, so please do the same for Goldie .. everyone won't always get along, the world isn't perfect, and some of you still won't listen to this plee.


Regardless, the petition to Ban goldie has been removed, it is not what this site is about.

If in the future you feel Goldie has acted inaproprietly, then please PM me or Baba or any member of the Moderating team and we will deal with it accordingly.

Mav has fought with Loyal, Box has thought with Arch....

Goldie has fought with Mav, Lecter, Loyal, Rogue Commander, insulted another number of posters and displayed a stalking attitude that has been obvious to pretty much everyone on here.

Now, as the moderating team doesn't seem to feel the need to do much right now, I will do what must be done.

Personally, I don't think Goldie really cares.

I think he is a normal guy, and I think he is getting a big kick out of all this.


I think you are way wrong with your moderating team comment, but fair enough. We have the job of looking at it from both sides, and Goldie has been punished accordingly. He has done nothing to warrent a permanent ban.

Goldie has fought with alot of people, so has BKB, alot of the posters you named simply don't like Goldie, some of them jump on alot of his comments. Goldie is not given the same treatment as everyone else by many posters, comments he makes are scrutinized more than if they were made by others. He has helped to create the bed in which he now lies, so i feel no guilt about that. But regardless, I do not have the liberty of being unfair and I will continue to do all I can to make him a member of this community.

I support his permanent banning. He always goes right back to the same disturbing behavior, and there comes a point where you just have to cut your losses. It's not us that should have to baby Goldie, he's been banned twice, came back with the same shitty attitude, and has shown no care to even change anything about himself, and unless he agrees to kiss my boot, he'll get no more chances from me. I've had enough of him harrassing members at this forum, and that's what it's called, harrassment.

That's why, as I said, I will take it in my hands.

Frankly, I am probably wrong on the moderating team comment, as it's not the moderating team who has the ability to ban. So, I guess, that'd be the administrating team.

How would you feel Mav if someone wrote that same paragraph but pertaining to you?

There isn't a single fight or argument on this board that even comes close to what Goldie does time and time again.
I understand your hesitation to ban him because he will just create duplicate accounts but basically what's being said here is that it's okay to be a disruptive stalker. That's a great example to set for the forums.

Or am I missing something?

But Mav hasn't been banned twice and there wasn't a truce offered to him that he denied to accept.

Listen, Karl, by trying to make it right for everyone, you'll end up not making it right for anyone. You can't please everyone, that is impossible.

It is not even only that he stalks me, but much rather that I hate to see him insulting and making comments about other valuable posters that I appreciate. I am not willing to take this anymore, Karl. I.am.not.

I think you really overrate Goldie's "stalking".

And I don't know loyal ... the fight with you and Mav was right up there with anything Goldie and Lecter have had.

Mav and I don't really see eye to eye. And sometimes it gets the best of us. But I can't deny that he contributes to the forums and I'd guess he'd say the same for me.

Popularity or not getting along with everyone has nothing to do with being disruptive and harmful to the forum. There's no connection.

Lecter I understand what your saying.

Rouge is a poster I have known for a long time. He is a good guy, and almost never gets into a fight with anyone.


Goldie is ... well Goldie, but you show me something he has said or done that warrents a permanant ban. Because frankly, I am not seeing it.

As I said, it doesn't stay between me and Goldie, Karl. Stop being blind about that. And the stalking, c'mon, what else do you call registering on another message boards, under MY screenname, pretend to be ME, post pictures of me and my girlfriend and trying to act like it's me doing all this.

If you think it's all fine, you are an absolute fool, Karl.

As loyal said, even after our bitter fight, neither of us were asking that the other was banned, because we both realize we contribute to the forums, and we both have made friends here. Has Goldie made a friend? BKB has. BKB is a good guy. Goldie is constantly showing that he isn't interested in being friendly with anyone, and I really don't care to have that kind of jerk around. Goldie has shown that these temporary bans mean absolutely nothing to him, and it's also setting an example to the forums that they mean nothing. ban his ass for good. We will more than survive it.

Nope, I don't think that is fine at all.

But unfourtunatly I am not an admin on those message boards. Things that go on there are not going on here. He has not impersonated you here. He has not posted pics of you or your girlfriend here. So while all those things are awful and wrong, there are out of my jurisdiction if you will.

Goldie is not a problem with just you, that much is true.

The fact that it has spread to Rouge bothers me, but I still feel that goldie can be a good member of this board, that much hasnt changed. I do think that he can put all this behind him, and while I have hope for that I think it would be wrong to close the door on him.

LMAO

If this wasn't stalking, I'm not sure what is.

http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4958 Apparently a mod saw fit to delete it.

As for Mav and I, the fact that we've had civil and friendly conversations since then, makes your argument moot. I probably won't donate any organs for Mav but our beef has never infected the ENTIRE forum.

I have to go for about an hour. I will be back later to finish this discussion.

It's not one particular thing, it's his overall attitude. You are supposed to learn from the bannings. Has he learned anything. Has he changed AT ALL?

No

I am only getting comments from the people that want him gone the most, I would like to see some feedback from other users who are indifferent to goldie, and see if they feel he is 'disturbing' the forums.

No, Karl, no. This time has passed. He has had so many chances and hasn't taken any of them.

I told you, Karl, you don't take care of this in any way, then I will. I am pretty certain that if it wasn't for the other mods and admin, you wouldn't have banned Goldie twice. Passiveness like that will hurt the boards, instead of help them, I give you my word on that.

I think 100 yes votes in a poll would prove to you that he deserves to have his ass permanently booted. I'm confident that 100 people would gladly want him gone. He's not interested in being a positive contributer, and we don't need anything else that is on his agenda rotting the community.

Have a little faith that the right thing will be done in the end. Change is a never ending process, a process that I am not opposed to. However I am also not a rash person and will not jump to a decision, I want to make sure it is what is right for the future.

Mhm

By the time the "future" arrives, the harm will be irreversible.

:wave:

I'm impartial to Goldie's behavior because it has never impacted me personally. However, the fact that he has been temp banned twice now and still continues the behavior that got him banned warrants, in my opinion, at least consideration of a perma ban.

Think I'm quite indifferent to goldie.

And from the posts I read from him, I don't find him 'disturbing' the forums.

Though, I might have missed some posts, as there were some links concerning him leading to deleted posts, topics.

EDIT: But in any case, think I would be against perm ban. Prolly for every other member as well that isn't flat out troll.

You aren't the only one that sees that he has no interest in changing anything that got him banned twice in the past. He's not worth damaging the forums over.