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Author:  TonyMontana [ Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Statute of limitations for plot twists?(Tons of Spoilers...)
*warning*

Lots of plot twists discussed in this thread from Citizen Kane, Ace Ventura, Saw, Paycheck, Dallas, Crying Game, Sixth Sense, etc... Read at your own risk....




A blurb in this week's EW asks this question, and got me thinking (a dangerous thing...)

In Citizen Kane Rosebud is really a sled, and the girl from the Crying Game is really a dude. It seems pretty acceptable to spoil these plot twists, but how long do I have to wait before I can openly discuss Hillary Swank's character getting impregnated by Morgan Freeman's in M$B? Can I now tell people that Bruce Willis is really dead? Or that Predator may or may not have won?

And, I was just kidding about the whole Morgan Freeman thing... or was I?
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:34 am ]
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Considering how M$B ended, I was surprised to hear producers are in discussions to turn it into a musical.
Author:  TonyMontana [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:14 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Considering how M$B ended, I was surprised to hear producers are in discussions to turn it into a musical.


Those dance numbers in the last half will be very interesting.

Oh... and Einhorn is Finkle!!! I just had to spoil one more plot twist for everyone.
Author:  El Maskado [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the statute of limitations for plot twists?
TonyMontana wrote:
A blurb in this week's EW asks this question, and got me thinking (a dangerous thing...)

In Citizen Kane Rosebud is really a sled, and the girl from the Crying Game is really a dude. It seems pretty acceptable to spoil these plot twists, but how long do I have to wait before I can openly discuss Hillary Swank's character getting impregnated by Morgan Freeman's in M$B? Can I now tell people that Bruce Willis is really dead? Or that Predator may or may not have won?

And, I was just kidding about the whole Morgan Freeman thing... or was I?


Can I also mention that Cary Elwes wasnt the killer in SAW but it was the dead guy lying on the floor who is the one? How about Edward Norton and Brad Pitt being the same person or Kevin Spacey being Kaiser Soze in the Usual Suspect? Or how about in Batman Begins that ..... is actually .....

Oh and yeah Robert Deniro being Charlie sure ruined the movie for me
Author:  Erendis [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:40 pm ]
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SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I guess the best time is something like 5 years. If you haven't seen the movie on DVD by then, chances are spoilers won't ruin you.
Author:  bABA [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:44 pm ]
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by the time the movie is out of the theatre.
Author:  lovemerox [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the statute of limitations for plot twists?
El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
A blurb in this week's EW asks this question, and got me thinking (a dangerous thing...)

In Citizen Kane Rosebud is really a sled, and the girl from the Crying Game is really a dude. It seems pretty acceptable to spoil these plot twists, but how long do I have to wait before I can openly discuss Hillary Swank's character getting impregnated by Morgan Freeman's in M$B? Can I now tell people that Bruce Willis is really dead? Or that Predator may or may not have won?

And, I was just kidding about the whole Morgan Freeman thing... or was I?


Can I also mention that Cary Elwes wasnt the killer in SAW but it was the dead guy lying on the floor who is the one? How about Edward Norton and Brad Pitt being the same person or Kevin Spacey being Kaiser Soze in the Usual Suspect? Or how about in Batman Begins that ..... is actually .....

Oh and yeah Robert Deniro being Charlie sure ruined the movie for me



Um...I wish you had warned for spoilers :cry:
Author:  Ripper [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:04 pm ]
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I'd say its bad form to ruin a movie that is till in the theater in any thread, and in fact I woudl contend you should wait at least a year after a DVD release.

In a thread about a movie, spoilers are fair game, but for example I have nto seen Saw, and I am not going to know...as I just read what happened in the above post.

If someone ruins a five year old movie for me, i am not going to be upset, but if the movie is onlya year or two old, then some tact or warning would be nice.
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:06 pm ]
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If a movie has been out for months and you haven't seen it, spoilers shouldn't matter.
Author:  lovemerox [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:10 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
If a movie has been out for months and you haven't seen it, spoilers shouldn't matter.


Why? Some of us are not on a time limit to see movies....
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:14 pm ]
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lovemerox wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
If a movie has been out for months and you haven't seen it, spoilers shouldn't matter.


Why? Some of us are not on a time limit to see movies....


Not so much a time limit issue but if you don't care enough to see a movie within a normal time frame, I wouldn't think you would care if the ending was spoiled.

This is also in the context of moviegoers who frequent a movie website, not Bobby Ray, 61 year old Wal-Mart employee from Kentucky.
Author:  Ripper [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:02 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
If a movie has been out for months and you haven't seen it, spoilers shouldn't matter.


What is reasonabel time? i think waiting till after the DVD release is reasonable enough to not just walk into a random thread and spoil the ending of M$B.

Older films, fine, but there are alot of 2004 releases Ihave not seen yet, and for some of them once the ending is spoiled there is little point. I was plannign on seeing Saw and the The FOrgottenon DVD, but both have been spooied so I figure why bother. Now if either film truly interested me enough i would not care, but I made a point to see M$B early because once I knew their was a "twist" I kenw it would get ruined.

This is a movie sight, and so spoilers will be discussed, but in the thread on Kong I should nto see the ending to Mystic River, which I jsut got from Netflix.

I am a big movie fan, but as I get older my time to watch movies is less and so at this point I see a movie sometimes a year or two after its release.
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:22 pm ]
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There has to be a cut off though. If someone makes a joke about M$B, a film in wide release, I don't think they should be blamed. Opening weekend or limited release, that's fine. Anything else, fair game.
Author:  Ripper [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:29 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
There has to be a cut off though. If someone makes a joke about M$B, a film in wide release, I don't think they should be blamed. Opening weekend or limited release, that's fine. Anything else, fair game.


A joke with a spoiler warning for the specific film is fine, but jsut becasue its in wide release doesn;t mean I jumped up to see it.

If wide release is the cut off, then pretty soon I'll have to give up posting at forums, as I just don;t see the movies that fast.

It one thing to enter the White Noise thread and have it spoiled, its another to see the spoiler in a htread title or randomly in another thread...wide realse basically demands we all see it opening weekend.
Author:  makeshift [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:35 pm ]
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I'd say it's fair game when a movie is out of theaters, working it's way to DVD.

However, I also think you have to gauge how popular the movie was. If it's something like The Sixth Sense and the twist ending has become embedded in our culture just a couple of weeks after release, then it's fair game at any point. If it's a film like The Usual Suspects, though, that didin't really build up it's following until video, you should refrain until years after the release.
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:40 pm ]
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makeshift wrote:
If it's a film like The Usual Suspects, though, that didin't really build up it's following until video, you should refrain until years after the release.


That's shocking.
Author:  makeshift [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:59 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
makeshift wrote:
If it's a film like The Usual Suspects, though, that didin't really build up it's following until video, you should refrain until years after the release.


That's shocking.


You're shocking.
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:07 pm ]
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makeshift wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
makeshift wrote:
If it's a film like The Usual Suspects, though, that didin't really build up it's following until video, you should refrain until years after the release.


That's shocking.


You're shocking.


I don't know why that just made me laugh really hard. :lol:

What I can't shake is the correlation between one's desire to the see a film and one's reaction to reading a spoiler. If someone hasn't, for whatever reason, seen the film within x amount of time, I don't understand what grounds they could have to be upset if they came across information revealing plot points.

That said, they can be upset, it's not up to others to judge whether or not it's valid. But I personally have no sympathy.

Am I alone in seeing films when they are released theatrically? Films that I am interested in, that is.
Author:  TonyMontana [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:08 pm ]
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#-o Dammit! I hadn't quite gotten to my Saw DVD yet. I guess I answered my own question... It's only acceptable after I've seen the movie, then everything is fair game!

Hope I didn't spoil Ace Ventura for anyone.
Author:  TonyMontana [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:11 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
makeshift wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
makeshift wrote:
If it's a film like The Usual Suspects, though, that didin't really build up it's following until video, you should refrain until years after the release.


That's shocking.


You're shocking.


I don't know why that just made me laugh really hard. :lol:

What I can't shake is the correlation between one's desire to the see a film and one's reaction to reading a spoiler. If someone hasn't, for whatever reason, seen the film within x amount of time, I don't understand what grounds they could have to be upset if they came across information revealing plot points.

That said, they can be upset, it's not up to others to judge whether or not it's valid. But I personally have no sympathy.

Am I alone in seeing films when they are released theatrically? Films that I am interested in, that is.


I agree... If I want to see a movie bad enough, I'll see it right away. If I wait several months AND read a movie message board everyday, I can't really be upset at running across a spoiler.
Author:  makeshift [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:17 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
makeshift wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
makeshift wrote:
If it's a film like The Usual Suspects, though, that didin't really build up it's following until video, you should refrain until years after the release.


That's shocking.


You're shocking.


I don't know why that just made me laugh really hard. :lol:

What I can't shake is the correlation between one's desire to the see a film and one's reaction to reading a spoiler. If someone hasn't, for whatever reason, seen the film within x amount of time, I don't understand what grounds they could have to be upset if they came across information revealing plot points.

That said, they can be upset, it's not up to others to judge whether or not it's valid. But I personally have no sympathy.

Am I alone in seeing films when they are released theatrically? Films that I am interested in, that is.


I completely agree. I think that if you want to see a movie enough to be upset by a spoiler of it, then you should have probably seen the movie relatively quickly.

For example, if i'm at work or something and i'm talking about Heat with a co-worker, I don't want to hear anything from you if you walk by and I spoil the ending to a ten year old movie you really wanted to see.
Author:  El Maskado [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:22 pm ]
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And another spoiler momet

James Garner is actually Mel Gibson's in Maverick
Author:  TonyMontana [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:27 pm ]
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El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote:
And another spoiler momet

James Garner is actually Mel Gibson's in Maverick


Mel Gibson's mother? toilet? shoe? sled?
Author:  El Maskado [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:30 pm ]
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TonyMontana wrote:
El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote:
And another spoiler momet

James Garner is actually Mel Gibson's in Maverick


Mel Gibson's mother? toilet? shoe? sled?

Pop
Dang I had a brain fart moment there
Author:  makeshift [ Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:32 pm ]
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El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote:
And another spoiler momet

James Garner is actually Mel Gibson's in Maverick


Mel Gibson's mother? toilet? shoe? sled?

Pop
Dang I had a brain fart moment there


Ah, man! I was hoping toilet!
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