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Groucho
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Best and Worst of 2004
2004 FILMS (BASED ON ROTTEN TOMATOES)
Here are the best and worst of the year, according to RottenTomatoes.com. This includes only films that received 80% or more (best) or 20% or less (worst) on RottenTomatoes.com’s weekly Top 20 list, so small films are basically not represented here, even if they did get really good reviews. Interesting how many more bad films make the Top 20, isn’t it? (The number in parenthesis is the highest position the film reached in the charts, and is used to break ties)
BEST
1. The Incredibles (1) 96%
2. Sideways (11) 96%
3. Control Room (18) 96%
4. Hero (1) 94%
5. Before Sunset (19) 94%
6. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (7) 93%
7. Spiderman 2 (1) 92%
8. Super Size Me (10) 92%
9. Shaun of the Dead (6) 91%
10. Shrek 2 (1) 90%
11. Vera Drake (20) 89%
12. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (1) 88%
13. The Aviator (4) 88%
14. Garden State (11) 88%
15. House of Flying Daggers (15) 88%
16. Mean Girls (1) 87%
17. Kinsey (14) 87%
18. Kill Bill volume 2 & Collateral & Fahrenheit 9/11 (1) 85%
19. Finding Neverland (8) 84%
20. The Motorcycle Diaries (9) 82%
21. Ray & Miracle & Friday Night Lights [tie] (2) 81%
22. The Bourne Supremacy (1) 80%
23. The Manchurian Candidate (3) 80%
WORST
1. Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2 (11) 0%
2. Twisted (3) 2%
3. Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie (4) 2%
4. Godsend (2) 3%
5. The Cookout (9) 3%
6. Christmas with the Kranks (2) 4%
7. My Baby’s Daddy (6) 4%
8. Envy (6) 5%
9. The Whole Ten Yards (8) 5%
10. Johnson Family Vacation (3) 6%
11. Surviving Christmas (7) 7%
12. Darkness (6) 8%
13. Catwoman (3) 9%
14. Taxi (4) 9%
15. A Cinderella Story (4) 10%
16. First Daughter (5) 10%
17. Exorcist: The Beginning (1) 11%
18. Catch that Kid (6) 11%
19. White Chicks & Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen [tie] (2) 13%
20. Garfield (4) 13%
21. Against the Ropes (8) 13%
22. Therese: The Story of Saint Therese of Lisieux (20) 13%
23. New York Minute & Welcome to Mooseport [tie] (4) 14%
24. After the Sunset (3) 15%
25. Agent Cody Banks 2 & The Perfect Score [tie] (5) 15%
26. Alexander & Raise Your Voice [tie] (6) 15%
27. The Big Bounce (13) 15%
28. Without a Paddle (2) 16%
29. Suspect Zero (10) 16%
30. You Got Served (1) 17%
31. A Day Without a Mexican (12) 17%
32. Soul Plane (5) 18%
33. Little Black Book & Laws of Attraction [tie] (5) 19%
34. Chasing Liberty (7) 19%
35. Thunderbirds (11) 19%
36. Fat Albert (3) 20%
37. Paparazzi (4) 20%
38. Sleepover (10) 20%
(Edited, after reviewing Rotten Tomatoes' list, to correct a few percentages that apaprently changed over time from when these films left the top 20!)
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Last edited by Groucho on Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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xiayun
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Where is Million Dollar Baby? Is that considered a small film? Considering Sideways, Before Sunset, House of Flying Daggers are on the chart, I don't see why Hotel Rwanda, Bad Education, and Maria Full of Grace aren't.
Here are the top movies by Rottentomatoes:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/besto ... ?year=2004
The list filters out the movies with fewer than 20 reviews, so I think it's a quite accurate list.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:54 pm |
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Algren
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Re: Best and Worst of 2004
Mike Ventrella wrote:
BEST
2. The Incredibles (1) 96% 9. Shaun of the Dead (6) 91% 10. Shrek 2 (1) 90% 23. The Bourne Supremacy (1) 80%
Im liking these big time, but whee is Collateral Mike Ventrella wrote: WORST
13. Catwoman (3) 9% 20. Garfield (4) 13%
Why are these here
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:11 pm |
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xXVincentxX
La Bella Vito
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Catwoman was by far the worst of the year, and Confessions Of A Teenage Drama Queen wasn't too good either.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:13 pm |
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Algren
now we know
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Pinkpanther wrote: Catwoman was by far the worst of the year
No way!!!!
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:16 pm |
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matatonio
Teh Mexican
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:56 pm Posts: 26066 Location: In good ol' Mexico
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i agree with oth the best and worst!
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:18 pm |
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xXVincentxX
La Bella Vito
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matatonio wrote: i agree with oth the best and worst!
For the most part I do too, but where is Raise Your Voice?
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:22 pm |
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matatonio
Teh Mexican
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:56 pm Posts: 26066 Location: In good ol' Mexico
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Pinkpanther wrote: matatonio wrote: i agree with oth the best and worst! For the most part I do too, but where is Raise Your Voice?
...on the good side or bad side?!
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:23 pm |
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xXVincentxX
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matatonio wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: matatonio wrote: i agree with oth the best and worst! For the most part I do too, but where is Raise Your Voice? ...on the good side or bad side?!
I agree on both, but I really enjoyed "Raise Your Voice", but that's probably because I am a huge fan of Hilary Duff.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:25 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Pinkpanther wrote: I agree on both, but I really enjoyed "Raise Your Voice", but that's probably because I am a huge fan of Hilary Duff.
NO! Really?! :wink:
Why does Hero have 95%? I really thought this film wasn't that great at all, and even the battle scenes couldn't save the film. Just my opinion, though. Obviously it was well-liked by critics.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:20 pm |
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xXVincentxX
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Mr. X wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: I agree on both, but I really enjoyed "Raise Your Voice", but that's probably because I am a huge fan of Hilary Duff. NO! Really?! :wink: Why does Hero have 95%? I really thought this film wasn't that great at all, and even the battle scenes couldn't save the film. Just my opinion, though. Obviously it was well-liked by critics.
I loved Hero, but I do agree it should be a little lower than that.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:39 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Pinkpanther wrote: Mr. X wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: I agree on both, but I really enjoyed "Raise Your Voice", but that's probably because I am a huge fan of Hilary Duff. NO! Really?! :wink: Why does Hero have 95%? I really thought this film wasn't that great at all, and even the battle scenes couldn't save the film. Just my opinion, though. Obviously it was well-liked by critics. I loved Hero, but I do agree it should be a little lower than that.
Well, it was all right, but 95%? It wasn't THAT good, by any means.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:47 pm |
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Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
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xiayun wrote: Where is Million Dollar Baby? Is that considered a small film? Considering Sideways, Before Sunset, House of Flying Daggers are on the chart, I don't see why Hotel Rwanda, Bad Education, and Maria Full of Grace aren't. Here are the top movies by Rottentomatoes: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/besto ... ?year=2004The list filters out the movies with fewer than 20 reviews, so I think it's a quite accurate list.
I only included films that made the top 20, because otherwise I ended up with a huge list like the one you posted, with too many small films represented. I wanted a more mainstream list...
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:58 pm |
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Groucho
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Pinkpanther wrote: For the most part I do too, but where is Raise Your Voice?
There are ties listed there! "Raise your Voice" is tied with "Alexander" on the worst list and "Collateral" is tied with "Kill Bill 2" on the best list...
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:59 pm |
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TonyMontana
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Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:55 am Posts: 16278 Location: Counting the 360 ways I love my Xbox
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Mr. X wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: Mr. X wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: I agree on both, but I really enjoyed "Raise Your Voice", but that's probably because I am a huge fan of Hilary Duff. NO! Really?! :wink: Why does Hero have 95%? I really thought this film wasn't that great at all, and even the battle scenes couldn't save the film. Just my opinion, though. Obviously it was well-liked by critics. I loved Hero, but I do agree it should be a little lower than that. Well, it was all right, but 95%? It wasn't THAT good, by any means.
A 95% rating at Rotten Tomatoes is misleading. Because they essentially only rate a movie as fresh or rotten, much like Roger Ebert's thumbs up and thumbs down system. So, in theory every critic could think a movie is just good enough to get a thumbs up (60%-ish) and Rotten Tomatoes would rate it at 100%, despite everyone just being lukewarm-ish about it.
Hero strikes me as a movie most people would give thumbs up to, but few would rate it 95% or higher.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:03 pm |
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xiayun
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TonyMontana wrote: A 95% rating at Rotten Tomatoes is misleading. Because they essentially only rate a movie as fresh or rotten, much like Roger Ebert's thumbs up and thumbs down system. So, in theory every critic could think a movie is just good enough to get a thumbs up (60%-ish) and Rotten Tomatoes would rate it at 100%, despite everyone just being lukewarm-ish about it.
Hero strikes me as a movie most people would give thumbs up to, but few would rate it 95% or higher.
Not really. The average score is 8.2 out of 10, one of the highest of the year as well. It's hard to have everyone feel just lukewarm about a movie when it's 95% fresh because statistically, those people will break 50/50 either way. Normally the average score is one level below the percentage. For example, The Aviator has 88% and 7.9 average rating; The Bourn Supremacy has 80% and 7.2 average rating. There is definitely a correlation.
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Mister Ecks
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TonyMontana wrote: Mr. X wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: Mr. X wrote: Pinkpanther wrote: I agree on both, but I really enjoyed "Raise Your Voice", but that's probably because I am a huge fan of Hilary Duff. NO! Really?! :wink: Why does Hero have 95%? I really thought this film wasn't that great at all, and even the battle scenes couldn't save the film. Just my opinion, though. Obviously it was well-liked by critics. I loved Hero, but I do agree it should be a little lower than that. Well, it was all right, but 95%? It wasn't THAT good, by any means. A 95% rating at Rotten Tomatoes is misleading. Because they essentially only rate a movie as fresh or rotten, much like Roger Ebert's thumbs up and thumbs down system. So, in theory every critic could think a movie is just good enough to get a thumbs up (60%-ish) and Rotten Tomatoes would rate it at 100%, despite everyone just being lukewarm-ish about it. Hero strikes me as a movie most people would give thumbs up to, but few would rate it 95% or higher.
Yeah, I get what you mean. Even I would probably give a slight recommendation, too.
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xiayun
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Hero has 8.2 with 18,416 votes on IMDb, as well as a score of 81 at MetaCritic. It's pretty consistent across the board, so I'd conclude many people love the film instead of just barely like it.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:10 pm |
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TonyMontana
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xiayun wrote: TonyMontana wrote: A 95% rating at Rotten Tomatoes is misleading. Because they essentially only rate a movie as fresh or rotten, much like Roger Ebert's thumbs up and thumbs down system. So, in theory every critic could think a movie is just good enough to get a thumbs up (60%-ish) and Rotten Tomatoes would rate it at 100%, despite everyone just being lukewarm-ish about it.
Hero strikes me as a movie most people would give thumbs up to, but few would rate it 95% or higher. Not really. The average score is 8.2 out of 10, one of the highest of the year as well. It's hard to have everyone feel just lukewarm about a movie when it's 95% fresh because statistically, those people will break 50/50 either way. Normally the average score is one level below the percentage. For example, The Aviator has 88% and 7.9 average rating; The Bourn Supremacy has 80% and 7.2 average rating. There is definitely a correlation.
My point is that the 95% rating is misleading, as it's REAL score is an 82% as you pointed out. There is a big difference to me between a movie that rates a 95% and one that rates a 82%, and I think that's what Mr. X is saying. Hero seems like a movie that rates a 80%, but not 95%.
I prefer sites like metacritic.com as that deals with the hard scores not an overly simplistic thumbs up or thumbs down type score.
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:28 pm |
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xiayun
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TonyMontana wrote: My point is that the 95% rating is misleading, as it's REAL score is an 82% as you pointed out. There is a big difference to me between a movie that rates a 95% and one that rates a 82%, and I think that's what Mr. X is saying. Hero seems like a movie that rates a 80%, but not 95%.
I prefer sites like metacritic.com as that deals with the hard scores not an overly simplistic thumbs up or thumbs down type score.
I understand. However, in that sense, as I pointed out, none of the movies in the 90% range deserves to be in the 90%, as their average scores are all in the 8.something. It's not just misleading for Hero, it's misleading for all movies. Why single out only one? Look at The Incredibles. It has an even higher 96%, but its average is actually 8.2 too. Its IMDb score and MetaCritics are also similar to Hero. That's my point. The RT % ranking will always exaggerate for all movies.
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TonyMontana
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xiayun wrote: TonyMontana wrote: My point is that the 95% rating is misleading, as it's REAL score is an 82% as you pointed out. There is a big difference to me between a movie that rates a 95% and one that rates a 82%, and I think that's what Mr. X is saying. Hero seems like a movie that rates a 80%, but not 95%.
I prefer sites like metacritic.com as that deals with the hard scores not an overly simplistic thumbs up or thumbs down type score. I understand. However, in that sense, as I pointed out, none of the movies in the 90% range deserves to be in the 90%, as their average scores are all in the 8.something. It's not just misleading for Hero, it's misleading for all movies. Why single out only one? Look at The Incredibles. It has an even higher 96%, but its average is actually 8.2 too. Its IMDb score and MetaCritics are also similar to Hero. That's my point. The RT % ranking will always exaggerate for all movies.
I didn't mean to single out just Hero - a movie I did like. I just was explaining why it received such an incredibly high score. There are those movies - like the Incredibles, Hero or Finding Nemo - that nearly everyone will give at least give a thumbs up to, thus it drives up the Rotten Tomatoes score to dispraportinately high levels.
RT will almost always exaggerate the score whether it be bad or good. A movie like Matrix Revolutions that scores a 53% average with critics, will score a 36% at Rotten Tomatoes. Or, look at Mean Girls which averages a decent 70% score with critics, but an insane 87% at Rotten Tomatoes. A lot of times they are 15%-20% off the average, on either sides. To the casual viewer, they'll see the 87% Mean Girls score and think it's an Oscar winning flick.
A plus/minus 20% margin of error is not a small one.
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andaroo1
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Compared to most of the pre-Oscar season films, Hero is like gold.
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Algren
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Re: Best and Worst of 2004
Mike Ventrella wrote: BEST
18. Kill Bill volume 2 & Collateral
Oooh didnt see that before Its much much much better than Kill Bill Vol 2 though :x
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Kris K
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Go Catwoman!!
lol
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:40 am |
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Algren
now we know
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[quote="mansonmyers"]Go Catwoman!!
lol[/quote
Its in the "worst" list, maye, c'mon, dont cheer it
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