Early Reviews Of Hobbit Go From Bad To Worse!
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choubachou
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The only bullshit in this thread is the one you make up, Bradley.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:20 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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choubachou wrote: It has to be pointed out that the source material isn't as interesting as LotR. Bradley Witherberry wrote: What complete and utter bullshit. choubachou wrote: The only bullshit in this thread is the one you make up, Bradley. The bullshit is your blanket statement: "the source material [of the The Hobbit] isn't as interesting as LotR" - - this wasn't merely a statement of your opinion, but rather something that "has to be pointed out", as though it were fact. One source of evidence to the contrary may be found by examining the number of 5 star reviews on Amazon for the two works: The Hobbit has 1,943, while the Lord of the Rings has only garnered 1,124.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:17 pm |
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Algren
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I think people are just expecting to much, critics included. This is the first of a trilogy, let's remember that. The Fellowship of the Ring wasn't all-out war and excitement, because that was also the first of a trilogy, but people weren't negative about that film. That's because nothing in this universe had come before to compare against. With The Hobbit, people seem to be expecting a continuation of action, adventure and spectacle like was in The Return of the King, but they are failing to grasp that this not only is set 60 years before The Lord of the Rings, but also it's a completely different trilogy, this one is just starting, and the best battles start slow with a nice build up, but finish greatly, so I say to trust Peter Jackson for the marathon, and forget about the sprint.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:57 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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The Hobbit has now dropped to 70% fresh on RT, and is falling fast! Latest review from the Village VoiceQuote: You can just about feel the hair on your feet growing longer.... For all their Wagnerian bombast, the LOTR films proceeded at a clip, with lots of story to tell and spirited new characters lurking around every bend. There was exuberance in the filmmaking, too, as if Jackson—who cut his teeth on some of the most outlandish, low-budget splatterfests of the 1980s and '90s—still couldn't quite believe he'd been allowed to make these movies. They were generous entertainments that you didn't have to be a Tolkien convert to enjoy—they made one out of you. The Hobbit, by contrast, feels distinctly like a members-only affair. It's self-conscious monument art, but is the monument to Tolkien or to Jackson himself?
Even once Bilbo and company take to the hobbit highway, the pacing is leisurely verging on lethargic...
Instead of feeling like we've been transported to Middle-Earth, it's as if we've dropped in on Jackson's New Zealand set, trapped in an endless "making of" documentary, waiting for the real movie to start.
For the record, I returned to see The Hobbit a second time, at 24 frames, and found it more aesthetically pleasing but no more dramatically engaging.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:01 am |
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Gulli
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I like Bradford but his shtick is predictable
Reviews love a film he hates = Sheeple comments they are all bought off people are clearly under the hypnotism, excuse me i must go and post on zerohedge about going long on gold. Reviews hates a films he hates = I must post all of them because they are the word of god! They speak the truth!
I mean seriously I expect the Hobbit to be shite myself but at least I'll never lower myself to that hypocritical nonsense. Take a stand one way or the other and stick with it Brad it will help us enjoy you. And god bless you you are normally enjoyable.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:12 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Gulli wrote: I like Bradford but his shtick is predictable
I'll never lower myself to that hypocritical nonsense. I prefer to think of my shtick as ironic nonsense - - hoisting the hype-notised by their own petards, as it were.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:24 am |
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Gulli
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Ok that answer was actually a pretty masterful dodge. Marco Rubio almost. Please carry on.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:26 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Time Magazine weighs in on [i[The Hobbit[/i] and guess what? They say it's bad. Why Go There and Back Again?Quote: A good time to end a scene is when the slowest viewer says, “I get it”; but Jackson, so determined to deploy all his CGI resources, often can’t let go.
Shooting at 48fps — is... disorienting in the more static interior scenes, where the scenery upstages the characters. In the Smaug battle, I thought I was watching a video game: pellucid pictures of indistinct creatures.
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Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:16 pm |
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David
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Quote: Charming, spectacular, technically audacious… in short, everything you expect from a Peter Jackson movie. A feeling of familiarity does take hold in places, but this is an epically entertaining first course. http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema ... ed-journeyIn before Bradley posts: Quote: A feeling of familiarity does take hold in places... 
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Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:57 pm |
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choubachou
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Smaug battle? We see a battle with Smaug in the first movie?
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Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:32 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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The Telegraph's review is up! Quote: The work of the sombre Hungarian auteur Béla Tarr, whose grinding tale of apocalyptic poverty The Turin Horse ran to a mere 155 minutes, feels nippy by comparison.
This film is so stuffed with extraneous faff and flummery that it often barely feels like Tolkien at all – more a dire, fan-written internet tribute.
As a lover of cinema, Jackson’s film bored me rigid; as a lover of Tolkien, it broke my heart.
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Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:57 pm |
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Groucho
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This was what I was worried about -- taking a novel that's maybe 1/5 of the size of LOTR and making a movie just as long as LOTR. I think I would have preferred one or two films instead.
On the other hand, I'll wait to see it before dissing it, unlike some here.
Using the minority of views to knock down a film where 3/4th of the reviews are positive is like quoting the 1% of scientific studies that deny climate change as proof it doesn't exist.
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Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:17 pm |
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Algren
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Groucho wrote: This was what I was worried about -- taking a novel that's maybe 1/5 of the size of LOTR and making a movie just as long as LOTR. They've used the appendices from LOTR to flesh The Hobbit out. Have you seen that appendices? It's pretty large, essentially making this movie "based on" two books.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Gulli wrote: Please carry on. It is a rare opportunity for me to indulge in this whole sordid RT experience. I have always made it known that I never read reviews before I have seen a movie and written my own review. I strive towards a purity in viewing each film, and this often also extends to avoiding any advance promotional materials when possible. I realize this is counter to the majority of KJer's who enjoy the whole process of film production and marketing from start to finish. The danger with that is how easy it is to succumb to the hype surrounding films rather than experiencing the film as a standalone piece of art. Clearly there is more than one way to love movies, and I am very satisfied with my own approach. So, when a movie such as The Hobbit comes along - - a movie I will definitely not be watching - - it gives me a chance to see how the other half lives. Of course, I take this opportunity to flip hype the bird, but what can I say? I just don't like being sold a bill of goods - - I'll continue kicking the tires and taking my movies for a drive.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:39 am |
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Algren
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: I have always made it known that I never read reviews before I have seen a movie and written my own review. I strive towards a purity in viewing each film, and this often also extends to avoiding any advance promotional materials when possible. You're not alone. Bradley Witherberry wrote: I realize this is counter to the majority of KJer's who enjoy the whole process of film production and marketing from start to finish. The danger with that is how easy it is to succumb to the hype surrounding films rather than experiencing the film as a standalone piece of art. I don't mind viewing posters and trailers, but clips and anything more, I stay away from. It's a hard line to tow, though, because I adore that process of marketing that movies offer, and I love to see it, experience it, and critique it. I have to choose my indulgences very carefully so as to not spoil a film that I have been anticipating.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:21 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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New York Magazine's review in it's entirety: Quote: How nice it would be to weigh in on Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit without having to lament its newfangled double-speed 3-D 48-frames-per-second projection rate, which must be seen to be disbelieved. The immediacy of the actors is startling, but the background is weirdly foreshortened, the fakeness of the sets and makeup an endless distraction. Staginess does nothing for a fantasy-film epic. The dislocation caused me to miss great gobs of exposition in the first half-hour, which is all exposition, the grandeur of the Lord of the Rings trilogy having been replaced by something that resembles tatty summer-stock theater.
The Hobbit probably plays better at the normal frame rate, but how much better? Hard to say. Signs of bloat are everywhere. The relatively breezy Rings prelude—one book—doesn’t need to be stretched out to three long installments: The fractious team of dwarves looking to regain their homeland after many years of exile could have traveled the Great East Road, fought the requisite orcs and dragons, and still had time for a song or two in one movie. Martin Freeman as the young hobbit Bilbo mugs his way through the first half (the invasion of his home by dwarves and Ian McKellen’s Gandalf is like the Marx Brothers stateroom sequence stretched out to an hour), but he wins you over in the one stupendous scene: a potentially lethal contest of riddles with Gollum, once again embodied by Andy Serkis plus CGI. Gollum is more chilling this time, his Uriah Heep obsequiousness yet to come, a violent flesh-eating psychopath with voices in his head telling him to kill.
The duel with Gollum, set in a cave, is like a one-act play, and makes me think this technology would work for, say, filmed theater and opera, where the uncanny presence of the performers would be something to treasure and the artificiality wouldn’t matter. Meanwhile, we have the prospect of two more Hobbit pictures, which are sure to be less exciting than discussions of pixel resolution, scan lines, and refresh rates.
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The Dark Shape
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Hmm. The percentage is lower than I expected (which was 78-81%), but the average score is higher (7.2 vs. 6.5.).
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:54 pm |
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Algren
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If nobody likes the 48fps, then I guess in the next two movies, people can just go and see the normal version. No big deal.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:13 pm |
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choubachou
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Anyway, J.C. (James Cameron, not Jesus Christ) will shoot Avatar 2 with HFR. That's probably when (2015-2016) people will start to really like HFR.
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Algren
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Doubt it. Again, do people want to see the fakeness of a set in Avatar 2? Unless it's all CGI, then I guess it wouldn't hurt. I hope he just doesn't use it.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:22 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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A scathing review from Slate: The Hobbit looks like Teletubbies and is way too long.It really is worth your time to take a couple minutes to read it - - but my two favorite observations from this well written piece are as follows... Quote: "In a fitting convergence of form and content, Jackson’s Hobbit also vastly overestimates the amount of visual information the viewer needs crammed into her optic cavities." Quote: "The movie starts to feel like some Buddhist exercise in deliberately inflicted tedium."
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Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:43 am |
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Algren
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You're dedicating too much time to this cause, Bradley. This can only mean one thing, it's going to be awesome regardless of your propaganda.
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Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:04 am |
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choubachou
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Stop bothering him, he's praying God that he won't like it so that he can come back here and tell us all how we're so inferior to him for liking such garbage.
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Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:53 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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You're mistaken, I will not be attending this travesty. BTW - - here's Film.com's review: Quote: "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" is merely one-third of an unrealized story, a carbon copy of something rich, lucid, and authentic.
Grade: C
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Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:59 am |
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Ghostooze
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The Hobbit is not a million times better than the first trilogy, so I didn't like it = all the reviews. 
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