Well then it certaintly didn't achieve THAT purpose because I still see Hitler as a guy who deserves that anal torture that he got in "Little Nicky." Plus, he only appears in, like, an eigth of the scenes. If that's the point, well, cut the film.

Dr. Lecter, I don't need to sit through all of it. When you've seen three people in a row commit suicide, and then the movie ends, you've seen enough. Why have 20!? It just got nasty...

Also, the secretary serves as a key to Hitler's humanity!? Wow. I kind of recall her at the end wishing she had never gotten into it.

I've been looking forward ot this for a while and i'm finally going to see it tomorrow (released today in the UK) so i'll post some thoughts afterwards. I just hope its not a let down, like my last cinema visit. (*cough* Ring 2 *cough*)

I have some problems with how they depicted Hitler, the largest one being a complete lack of military finesse...something that clearly isn't true. They made him a bit too nuts on the exterior, but he was a man known for pomp and circumstance, good performance, etc.

I completely agree with you, but the others will say both you and me are nuts and didn't understand the movie

Not seperated. The technology developed during the era served both the war and the extermintation. Hitler stood, obviously, at the intersection of both. This is about him, so it is about both aspects of the war.

She gave the film a B+, though.

Then why is the holocaust only depicted as a sidenote. It's basically about a bunch of germans killing themselves. Yes, the focus is about Hitler's last days, but you can't depict this isolated from everything that was going on. You just can't do that!

Then why is the holocaust only depicted as a sidenote. It's basically about a bunch of germans killing themselves. Yes, the focus is about Hitler's last days, but you can't depict this isolated from everything that was going on. You just can't do that!

Of course you can. Do you want EVERY SINGLE movie that takes place during WW II to depict Holocaust?

Of course you can. Do you want EVERY SINGLE movie that takes place during WW II to depict Holocaust?

If you do a movie about Hitler, no matter when it takes place you just can't shut out all that what is connected with it. Just dropping the topic in one or two lines isn't enough. (and no, a line in the credits that millions of jews died neither). Imagine a movie about George W. Bush where they only depict his second term of office and completely leave the Iraq war out. Wouldn't you be pissed off about that?

It's not like the movie depicted Hitler's entire life. It was about the last 12 days of it. Where on earth did you expect the filmmakers to bring in the Holocaust?

On day 8

It's not like the movie depicted Hitler's entire life. It was about the last 12 days of it. Where on earth did you expect the filmmakers to bring in the Holocaust?

Well how about dropping that stupid side story about the little Hitler Boy who is shown as a victim of the Nazi-dictatorship and instead doing a side-story about a jewish family. It would have been very easy to show all sides of this terror-regime.

You compare Ring 2 to Downfall.... Shame on you! [-(


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Of course you can! :???:

Well how about dropping that stupid side story about the little Hitler Boy who is shown as a victim of the Nazi-dictatorship and instead doing a side-story about a jewish family. It would have been very easy to show all sides of this terror-regime.

How exactly would that fit the movie? And heck, I've gotta wonder how many Jewish families exactly lived in Berlin by the end of WW II...

None unless they were hidden in people's cellars. I do think they didn't address Hitler's position as being the frontman for both WWII and the Holocaust. They tried by sneaking in a couple lines where he says he's happy he got rid of the Jews, but that really felt like a random addition, and fell flat as a way of showing how the two were connected through this man and the nazis in general. I stand by my earlier arguement that if something was shown, it should have been the camps continuing without even a word from him because of the rigidity of keeping up "order."

You know actually the couple of lines that were said by Hitler in the movie in reference to the Holocaust...I wasn't particulary fond of those. They seemed rather forced and therefore fell flat in the context. I had a feeling as if the filmmakers were simply under pressure to mention it somewhere in the movie and that's what they did. I'd have prefered if it was left out.

None unless they were hidden in people's cellars. I do think they didn't address Hitler's position as being the frontman for both WWII and the Holocaust. They tried by sneaking in a couple lines where he says he's happy he got rid of the Jews, but that really felt like a random addition, and fell flat as a way of showing how the two were connected through this man and the nazis in general. I stand by my earlier arguement that if something was shown, it should have been the camps continuing without even a word from him because of the rigidity of keeping up "order."