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Author:  Christian [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Stuntpeople's Oscar: REJECTED! (Thanks, Archie!)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050616/en_nm/film_stuntmen_dc

I wonder if the Academy would give in?

I think that stunt coordination in movies should be recognized by the Academy. Heck, even the Emmys have a category for them!

EDIT: It was rejected by the Academy. Read the rest on Archie's post, 2nd page.
Author:  matatonio [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:34 pm ]
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Sure!! why not!?
Author:  Raffiki [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:16 pm ]
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I actually took a minute and really thought about it.

I wouldn't be against it. But then it really brings into the picture all the other details in a film that go unnoticed like lighting and stuff.

Also, who would get recognition stunt coordinators or stunt actors?
Author:  Christian [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:40 pm ]
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Raffiki wrote:
I actually took a minute and really thought about it.

I wouldn't be against it. But then it really brings into the picture all the other details in a film that go unnoticed like lighting and stuff.

Also, who would get recognition stunt coordinators or stunt actors?


I believe it's the stunt coordination that would be awarded. It seems stunt unions and the SAG are for it though.

Wonder if the Academy would go for it. They've only added Makeup and Animated feature in the last 25 years.

LOL and Comedy/Musical Score is still M.I.A.
Author:  MikeQ. [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:28 pm ]
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Raffiki wrote:
I actually took a minute and really thought about it.

I wouldn't be against it. But then it really brings into the picture all the other details in a film that go unnoticed like lighting and stuff.

Also, who would get recognition stunt coordinators or stunt actors?


I pretty much agree with Raffiki. Once you start recognizing stunt coordination, then you've got lighting and camera operators, and electricians and stunt doubles, etc. No offense to stunt persons and coordinators, but I really just don't think they are an incredibly important part of film. They aren't even required for a lot of films, just action films, and these films aren't exactly Oscar worthy films anyways. I consider make-up and editing and writing and sound and even special effects to be vital ingredients to modern film. Stunt coordination: no. Although I wouldn't vote against having the category. If people want it, so be it. 'Tis just my personal opinion.

PEACE, Mike ;)
Author:  Anonymous [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:31 pm ]
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I would much rather see a Best Score category for a film like Moulin Rouge and Best Ensemble. No offense to stuntmen and stuntwomen.
Author:  MikeQ. [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:37 pm ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
I would much rather see a Best Score category for a film like Moulin Rouge and Best Ensemble. No offense to stuntmen and stuntwomen.


I echo this sentiment. I desperately want a Best Ensemble category. A lot of films with wonderful casts are left out because they main not have one stand out actor, but as a whole, the cast is solid. Why the Academy doesn't have Best Ensemble yet makes no sense to me...


PEACE, Mike ;)
Author:  andaroo1 [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:54 pm ]
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They could present this award by having all the coordinators bungie jump and then be mercilously pulled off stage after their 15 second speech by alligators.
Author:  Impact [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:04 pm ]
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you know this and best adapted score (a cat that I have wanted for years now) could always replace the short films and/or the documentry catagories.
(but then again if they got rid of those there goes our bathroom breaks!)
Author:  Christian [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:22 pm ]
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Impact wrote:
you know this and best adapted score (a cat that I have wanted for years now) could always replace the short films and/or the documentry catagories.
(but then again if they got rid of those there goes our bathroom breaks!)


There was an Oscar for Adapted Scores - back in the heyday of Broadway-to-film musicals. It always changed names to Song Score or some other one.
Author:  Impact [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:24 pm ]
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Valley Guy 3.0 wrote:
Impact wrote:
you know this and best adapted score (a cat that I have wanted for years now) could always replace the short films and/or the documentry catagories.
(but then again if they got rid of those there goes our bathroom breaks!)


There was an Oscar for Adapted Scores - back in the heyday of Broadway-to-film musicals. It always changed names to Song Score or some other one.
Yep, there was a catagory.
I have severel Oscar sites on my favorites (and a oscar book) that I know alot about them from.
Author:  Christian [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:28 pm ]
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Impact wrote:
Valley Guy 3.0 wrote:
Impact wrote:
you know this and best adapted score (a cat that I have wanted for years now) could always replace the short films and/or the documentry catagories.
(but then again if they got rid of those there goes our bathroom breaks!)


There was an Oscar for Adapted Scores - back in the heyday of Broadway-to-film musicals. It always changed names to Song Score or some other one.
Yep, there was a catagory.
I have severel Oscar sites on my favorites (and a oscar book) that I know alot about them from.


Awesome! Oscar books are great. I have Inside Oscar 1 and 2.
Author:  Impact [ Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:23 am ]
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Yeah I have "The Little Academy Awards Handbook" its a annual edition this one is from 99

I also go to littlegoldenguy.com and check the oscar section on the imdb quite a bit.
Author:  Rod [ Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:28 pm ]
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I voted no.
Author:  Impact [ Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:37 pm ]
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This would be better then sound editing the strangest catagory.
Author:  Raffiki [ Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:04 pm ]
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Maybe you have to look at it like this....

They give out awards to the different aspects of a movie that shape the way it's made or affect the final product.
Sound Editing would be different if somebody else did it. The score would be different with a different composer, a different director, different actors deliver different performances.

But stuntmen don't really affect the direction of the movie or change the final product.
Author:  Impact [ Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:12 pm ]
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Raffiki wrote:
But stuntmen don't really affect the direction of the movie or change the final product.
What are you talking about? Uma Thurmans stuntman in kill bill is what made it a hit!
Author:  Impact [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:40 am ]
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Now they need best best boy best dolly best lighting best grapher best use of props
Author:  Christian [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:12 am ]
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Impact wrote:
Now they need best best boy best dolly best lighting best grapher best use of props


Best use of props would most likely be under Art Direction/Set decoration
Lighting could be under Cinematography
The rest... Sound? LOL
Hairstyling is with makeup (I know, you didn't mention it, but I'm on a roll)

The closest for Stunt coordination would be Best Director = probably the reason why the Academy is hesitant in adding the award. Look what happened to Best Dance Direction or Comedy Direction.
Author:  Raffiki [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:22 pm ]
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Impact wrote:
Raffiki wrote:
But stuntmen don't really affect the direction of the movie or change the final product.
What are you talking about? Uma Thurmans stuntman in kill bill is what made it a hit!


What I'm saying is if you had another stuntman, it would have been the same result because the direction and vision and the choreography is with the director. The closest to anything affecting the film would be a stunt coordinator, not the ones who perform the task. They are just puppets in the hands of the puppeteer.
Author:  Impact [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:50 pm ]
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Raffiki wrote:
Impact wrote:
Raffiki wrote:
But stuntmen don't really affect the direction of the movie or change the final product.
What are you talking about? Uma Thurmans stuntman in kill bill is what made it a hit!


What I'm saying is if you had another stuntman, it would have been the same result because the direction and vision and the choreography is with the director. The closest to anything affecting the film would be a stunt coordinator, not the ones who perform the task. They are just puppets in the hands of the puppeteer.
Um... I was joking back there!
Author:  Raffiki [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:58 pm ]
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Impact wrote:
Raffiki wrote:
Impact wrote:
Raffiki wrote:
But stuntmen don't really affect the direction of the movie or change the final product.
What are you talking about? Uma Thurmans stuntman in kill bill is what made it a hit!


What I'm saying is if you had another stuntman, it would have been the same result because the direction and vision and the choreography is with the director. The closest to anything affecting the film would be a stunt coordinator, not the ones who perform the task. They are just puppets in the hands of the puppeteer.
Um... I was joking back there!


I knew there was something fishy about your statement. Uma did do alot of her stunts herself.
Author:  A. G. [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:44 am ]
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Raffiki wrote:
Maybe you have to look at it like this....

They give out awards to the different aspects of a movie that shape the way it's made or affect the final product.
Sound Editing would be different if somebody else did it. The score would be different with a different composer, a different director, different actors deliver different performances.

But stuntmen don't really affect the direction of the movie or change the final product.

Yeah they do, because not all stuntmen are capable of everything. If the stuntman is really good, the choices become wider for the director. If all stuntmen were equal then there would be far more action movies with big stunts than there are.
Author:  insomniacdude [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:52 am ]
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I like to think of it as this...

All of the *good* awards at the Oscars (the ones that aren't stupid/BS/throaway awards) are all linked by this: all of the things for which they award are in almost every movie. Every movie has cinematogrophy. Every movie is edited. Every movie has sound and sound editing. Every movie has special effects. Not every movie has stuntmen. Which is one reason why I wouldn't support this.
Author:  andaroo1 [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:29 am ]
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In the act of awarding a stunt person or a stunt coordinator, wouldn't that sort of... ruin the illusion that the actor wasn't performing his or her own stunts?

And what if... let's say... Russell Crowe was performing 90% of his own stunts...

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