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Here are my subjective choices as to what I would have voted for.
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| Author: | Groucho [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
As a disclaimer, I must admit that I have not seen all the films on the "what won" list ... but based on what I have read, I can't imagine that, for instance, "The Greatest Show on Earth" is better than "Singin' in the Rain." |
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| Author: | nghtvsn [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
1990 Goodfellas 1991 The Silence of the Lambs 1992 Unforgiven 1993 Schindler's List 1994 Pulp Fiction (toss up with FG since both stand the test of time so far) 1995 Bravehear (American President? Who even remembers that film?) 1996 Fargo 1997 Titanic (AmiNO) 1998 Saving Private Ryan 1999 American Beauty 2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (no Doubt!) 2001 The Fellowship of the Ring (yes!) 2002 Chicago (I agree with this) 2003 The Return of the King 2004 Sideways (love this film) 2005 Brokeback Mountain (EZ) 2006 The Departed 2007 No Country for Old Men 2008 The Dark Knight (snubbed but Yes) 2009 Avatar (no one saw THL and it made nothing) 2.7 Billion to Nothing. Money Matters... 2010 Inception 2011 The Artist (no qualms after I watched it) On another note, I watched the Midnight Cowboy today and while it was certainly interesting and Voight gave a wonderful performance. It was up against Butch Cassidy...C'mon MAN! |
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| Author: | Dr. Lecter [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
Of the films that were nominated: 1990 Dances with Wolves 1991 The Silence of the Lambs 1992 A Few Good Men 1993 Schindler's List 1994 Forrest Gump 1995 Braveheart 1996 Jerry Maguire 1997 L.A. Confidential 1998 Saving Private Ryan 1999 American Beauty 2000 Gladiator 2001 Moulin Rouge! 2002 The Pianist 2003 The Return of the King 2004 Sideways 2005 Munich 2006 The Departed 2007 Atonement (though this is a three-way toss-up) 2008 Slumdog Millionaire 2009 The Hurt Locker 2010 Inception 2011 Hugo |
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| Author: | Algren [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
Pre-1970, I couldn't give a rat's ass. Of the post-1970 nominated films, I would have chosen: 1970-1974 Null vote 1975 Jaws 1976 Rocky 1977 Annie Hall 1978 The Deer Hunter 1979 Kramer vs. Kramer 1980 The Elephant Man 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark 1982-1987 Null vote 1988 Rain Man 1989 Field of Dreams 1990 Goodfellas 1991 Null vote 1992 A Few Good Men 1993 The Fugitive 1994 Forrest Gump 1995 Braveheart 1996 Jerry Maguire 1997 As Good As It Gets 1998 Saving Private Ryan 1999 The Green Mile 2000 Gladiator 2001 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2002 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers 2003 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2004 Ray 2005 Brokeback Mountain 2006 The Departed 2007 No Country For Old Men 2008 The Curious Case of Benjamin Button 2009 Inglourious Basterds (flip a coin scenario; Up in the Air lost) 2010 The Fighter 2011 The Descendants But seriously, all of the movies that did win, should have won. |
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| Author: | _axiom [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:58 am ] |
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Algren wrote: But seriously, all of the movies that did win, should have won. Crash? |
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| Author: | Algren [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:16 pm ] |
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be.redy wrote: Algren wrote: But seriously, all of the movies that did win, should have won. Crash? All movies. If a movie won, then it deserved it. These awards are voted on. If Crash won, then it won fair and square, therefore in my mind; yes it should have won. I wouldn't have chosen Crash if it were up to me, but it wasn't. |
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| Author: | _axiom [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
You do realize that a lot of votes are made not on the merits of the movie, but on names, friendships, etc.? That's why lobbying is a very important part of an Oscar race. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:15 pm ] |
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I do. My opinion still stands. Perhaps you hold the Oscars in higher regard to me. The integrity of the Oscars should be called into question, not the deservedness of the winners. If they get enough votes, they deserve to win. |
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| Author: | _axiom [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
Algren wrote: I do. My opinion still stands. Perhaps you hold the Oscars in higher regard to me. The integrity of the Oscars should be called into question, not the deservedness of the winners. If they get enough votes, they deserve to win. No matter what our opinions on Oscar are, it's still the highest honor in the movie world today. I'd compare the fact that some movies come into the race with bigger chances for winning due to their pedigree and not due to their comparative quality to a race where an athlete has an advantage over the others due to using some drugs. It might not be enough to win every time, but sometimes that extra push can just skew things into a completely unfair direction. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
be.redy wrote: No matter what our opinions on Oscar are, it's still the highest honor in the movie world today. It is regarded highly, but I've never cared much about it. Reputation is much more important, in my opinion. That level of respect a film gains that cannot be quanitified, but you just know it's well-loved .. that's important and a bigger statement of a films' quality than any Oscar win. And the best thing is that it's different for every person. Then comes Oscar. Then box office. User grading sites, RT, imdb etc. all come a distant fourth. That's the way I see it. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
You have to also realize that with five nominees, that means a film can win with only 21% of the voters thinking that it's "best". Even less with nine nominees. That's hardly a consensus. So to say a film "deserved" to win doesn't always square with me. |
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| Author: | Algren [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Won / What Should Have Won |
That's the system that the Oscars uses, so if a movie wins with 21% of the votes, then it is deserved. It's not like this is a new system. |
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