hmm...there are only nine animated films currently slated for 2008 release. looks like next year won't change the nom count to five
not that it matters, with Wall-E in the race and all
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | I think there should be a Best Trailer Oscar because... |
...it would motivate studios to take more creative and interesting approaches to making a trailer. It might even go so far as to make film in general more appealing to people who'd normally blow a film off, and therefore increase box office. Maybe they shouldn't go as far as making an Oscar for it, but some big ceremony should have a category for trailers, or there should be a somewhat big ceremony MADE for trailers [aside from the cheap ones that currently exist]. Look at what using different trailer techniques did for films like "The Devil Wears Prada" and "300" at the box office. Why don't more films take this unique approach? If there was some kind of beautiful prize to be awarded to the best trailer of the year [an Oscar would be great IMO], it would really get studios more interested in making an intriguing, impression-leaving trailer than just putting in some crappy choir music and a list of the cast members, not to mention those annoying voice-over guys. Some trailers can be a little work of art themselves ["Little Children" or "There Will Be Blood," anyone?], and I think having some big award to motivate studios to make far more sophisticated/innovative trailers would be both more interesting for all of us and could even give box office a little nudge in the right direction. I mean, think of how much better a film like "The Golden Compass" or "Stardust" would have done if they didn't play them off as just another fantasy flick, but instead gave them identities of their own? Does anyone else think something like this could be a good thing? Or are trailers not that big of a deal? |
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| Author: | Raffiki [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:15 am ] |
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I think great trailers should be acknowledged and possibly awarded but an Oscar? No. |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:16 am ] |
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I dunno, I think a great trailer takes way more work than a great original song... |
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| Author: | Skyblade [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:18 am ] |
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I think there is an award for best trailer (Not an Academy one, though) I think people really do try to make the best trailers. It's their job. It's just that 1) Sometimes the tools to work with aren't ideal, and 2) Sometimes people can geneuinely want to do their best, and court awards, and still suck. Just ask Lasse Hallestrom. |
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| Author: | Raffiki [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:24 am ] |
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billybobwashere wrote: I dunno, I think a great trailer takes way more work than a great original song... I wouldn't necessarily argue against that even though it's an incredibly large generalization but Oscars deal with the actual film. Trailers have nothing to do with filmmaking. Some could argue their sole purpose is economic and not art. |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:27 am ] |
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Raffiki wrote: billybobwashere wrote: I dunno, I think a great trailer takes way more work than a great original song... |
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| Author: | Jonathan [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:33 am ] |
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billybobwashere wrote: meh, it's not like songs have anything to do with the actual film either, for the most part...usually, they're just played during the credits when everyone's gone. While that's what the category has largely become, there are still songs worth awarding for what they bring to a film. A trailer doesn't bring anything to a film in terms of quality, which is what the Oscars are meant to award. Besides, we already have the Golden Trailer Awards. |
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| Author: | Harry Warden [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:43 am ] |
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How would you judge it? Based on the economic success of the subsequent film? In that case, the much-maligned Alvin and the Chipmunks trailer would have to be considered a big success. |
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| Author: | Christian [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:46 am ] |
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I see what billybob is saying, but they should add the stunt coordination category first, heh. Heck, even the Emmys have that, plus casting, separate makeup, prosthetic, and hairstyling awards, plus main titles. |
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| Author: | Gulli [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:55 am ] |
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I'd agree with billybob. A great trailer is a black art that must people are unable to manage, its an expression of cinematic art seperate from an entire film. In short I'd love a catagory like that. |
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| Author: | Shack [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:58 am ] |
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I wouldn't mind it myself. Maybe Golden Globes instead of Oscar though. |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:11 am ] |
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Joe wrote: How would you judge it? Based on the economic success of the subsequent film? In that case, the much-maligned Alvin and the Chipmunks trailer would have to be considered a big success. |
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| Author: | Raffiki [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:13 am ] |
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billybobwashere wrote: Joe wrote: How would you judge it? Based on the economic success of the subsequent film? In that case, the much-maligned Alvin and the Chipmunks trailer would have to be considered a big success. The key word in there is effective. You may be thinking of effective as "making you want to see the movie" but the most objective way to judge "effectiveness" is to see how many people DID go see it. But I guess it doesn't have to be that objective. After all, what award is? |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:21 am ] |
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that's the thing though...what you're saying would be the same on voting for Best Picture based on what movie the most people liked. It seems like it could easily be the case, but luckily it isn't. It's a somewhat more advanced group of voters choosing what they think is the best. I mean, when I watch a trailer, I'm not going "Oh man, this is gonna score with the little kids demographic but isolate the teens," I just think "Heh, that looks enjoyable, I'll check it out..." that's what the voting would/should be based on for this. What trailer you thought was the best. |
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| Author: | Barrabás [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:47 pm ] |
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It would be interesting. But first they should add an Ensemble category. |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:57 pm ] |
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the problem with Ensemble is that it would be viewed too closely to Best Picture. That's why I think they haven't added it. |
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| Author: | Christian [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:11 pm ] |
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I would say Best Casting will probably be the next category added. It was last rejected in 1999. Best Stunt Coordinator was rejected in 1999 and 2005. Best Title, 1999. I guess Best Original Musical actually was added in 2000 but hasn't been used yet: http://www.oscars.org/79academyawards/rules/rule16.html Ugh, so adaptations (say Hairspray and Sweeney) aren't eligible. Seems that Once is eligible for it... I wonder why they changed it from the past Comedy/Musical Score. Too much Disney? lol |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:15 pm ] |
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there aren't enough Original Musicals for that to work...the only ones I can think of this year are Once, Enchanted, and Walk Hard...I guess you could extend that to include stuff like La Vie en Rose and I'm Not There and Control, in which case it would be much more interesting. |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:42 pm ] |
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why couldn't this year have worked? There were a number of original musicals. |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:24 pm ] |
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in that case, the award will likely never be given out...what's the minimum required? |
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:18 pm ] |
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hmm...there are only nine animated films currently slated for 2008 release. looks like next year won't change the nom count to five not that it matters, with Wall-E in the race and all
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| Author: | billybobwashere [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:12 pm ] |
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honestly, they should pull a Michael Moore and take it out of the Best Animated Feature category to make it clear that they're shooting for Best Picture with this one. Ratatouille was a freakin' brilliant film, yet it's not even being considered for BP because of the category. |
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