Walk the Line will not win. It has NO chance at this point for anything other than a nod from the Academy. The response hasn't been as amazing as a BP winner's should be. Quote me on it, whatever. It's pretty obvious at this point. That is all.

That's because everyone I talk to outside the internet thinks more realistically then movie forum fanboys and with that having been said, everyone I've talked to who's seen WALK THE LINE said it's Outstanding and it is and well deserving of BEST PICTURE.. You folks can't deny that it is neck and neck each day thus far with Harry Potter and is still getting Excellent WOM because the movies really is THAT Good...

I am gonna quote you on it cause you've said nothing here to prove it won't win and I don't know where you go to the movies, but like it or not, the response HAS been amazing and it's day to day numbers against Potter reflect JUST that.. This IS your BEST PICTURE Winner..

I know you aren't trying to compare the box office for Line and Potter. Completely different cases.

Not gonna win.

1. I haven't been proven wrong on WTL once yet. The 100 mil debate is still going on, the verdict isn't out on that yet. In fact, if we're talking about past arguments between us, you'll recall that months and months ago our very first argument about this movie was you saying it'll get raves, and myself saying it'll get good but not great and basicly the same response Ray got, which is exactly what it did get. That verdict IS out. So if we're looking on debates about this movie, the fact is that I was the one who was right. So hah.

2. It is most definitly not the frontrunner. It'll get nominated, but I'd say it isn't in the top 5 actually likely to win.

Are you dumb? There is a whole thread full of piss poor arguments that made you look like a big clueless ass concerning WTL.

And yes, it IS the frontrunner as of now.

I'd expect better restraint and language and above all, respect from you Mav.

Respect is earned, and he isn't earning it. I did show restraint, trust me.

You said I've been proven wrong. The fact is that I haven't.

Out of the one argument settled so far on Walk the Line, you are the one proven wrong.

First of all, it's not lost on me that your argumentative and annoying ass decided to start this as soon as you saw me post today...

Second, you have been proven to be clueless, and quite frankly, pretty much an idiot in every argument about WTL.

3rd...You were way off on WTL's opening, and only followed the consensus and let others do your thinking for you, as every argument you had right up until the opening was downplaying the film, and everyone here knows it.

4th...WTL DID get raving reviews, so quit talking out your ass.

5th... http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... c5720375ac

If I had said the things that you did in that thread, I'd be pretty embarrassed, and the last thing I would do is come off like some simpleton by claiming any victories.

Anyway, I'm done talking to you because talking to you lowers my IQ.

1. I posted in this thread today because you called me out.

2. Thats a matter of opinion, I could say the same thing about you.

3. I wasn't off at all on Walk the Lines opening. It grossed 22.4 and I guessed 23.5. Thats good. I never really argued for it opening low, all of those pages were concerning the total. I even said way before I made my prediction that I thought the movie would fall short in the legs rather than the opening.

4. Walk the Line got good but not great reviews, it got the same treatment as Ray. It got EXACTLY what I said it would get all those months ago. Theres no point arguing on that point anymore, because you simply can't win.

5. That, like I said, is still up in the air. I haven't been proven wrong. If the movie does pass 100 mil, yes I'll admit that you beat me.

Once again, you haven't proven me wrong on an argument concerning this movie yet. The one who has been proven wrong is you. Its Mav 0 and Shack 1 at this point.

Alright, since I feel like slapping your ass around, I'll oblige...



I called you out because you started the same retarded argumentative shit just to start trouble, which you've done repeatedly, and it even caused andaroo to leave for awhile. . I'm not the only one wishing your parents took your internet privledges away, trust me, because plenty are sick of you dragging the IQ of these boards down with your stupid bullshit.



Yeah, it's a matter of everyone's opinion, and I seriously doubt you'd find one person to back you up. I backed all of my arguments up, you lied and made things up. People tend to notice that stuff.



Well, you lie and make things up all the time, as has been proven time and time again, and anybody knows you argued up and down that it wouldn't be a big opening and that the marketing was terrible, so we won't be letting you take credit for our predictions when you try to copy them because you lack confidence in your own ability to formulate a thought, and after you embarrassed yourself by trying to think for yourself the weekend before with that pitiful Derailed prediction, it's easy to see why you decided to follow my lead the following weekend. If you think you fooled one person into believing that was what you thought it would open to, you're quite wrong.



WTL got GREAT reviews. It's reviews are perfectly in line with Oscar winners of the past. Only a complete idiot would even try to argue that.



Uh...did you read that thread that you forever tarnished your rep here at the boards with? You can deny it if it helps you sleep, but more than a few people have noticed and commented about your lack of logic that has been shown to be wrong over and over in the 100 million club thread.



It's actually about 10-0 in my favor. You're quite pathetic. I'm glad I had better sense than you when I was 15. Hell, when I was 3.

Ad hominem, Maverick? Not the best way to go about making friends.

Why, exactly, is WTL the front runner for BP? In your opinion, it is, but the consensus of critics is that WTL is an acting powerhouse, but a fairly average film. Not exceptional. Not a BP winner. If it's glaring that WTL will NOT win BP, even though it seems likely for a nod at this point, why continue arguing?

Y'know, it's not worth getting into. You hear its "great", I hear its "good" from the masses. So be it. We'll se once the nominations are announced.

I'm not trying to make friends with him. I'm sick of his shit.

WTL is the frontrunner because nothing else has as much going for it right now. Munich hasn't even been screened. Also, what makes you think that the critics decide anything? I've already shown how WTL has better scores and averages than 2 of the last 5 BP winners. The critics also haven't said it's not BP material.

Wow. You just spent an entire 30 minutes of your time not replying to a single point I made. Not one. All you did was throw insults for 5 paragraphs and repeated "You lie! You have a low IQ! All hail mighty Mav! ARRRRRRRR!GAHGIAHGKAHGKAHG!!!!"

Man, talk about easy pickings.

You really need some comprehension classes...

Just because it's one of the first to be screened does not make it a guaranteed win. I guess that's whatever logic you guys are using. The reviews came in generally positive, but, if you actually read them, the scores tended to be high in favor of the performances, not the direction or picture itself. It's a decent front runner for a nomination, but the reviews (imo lackluster for a movie of this type) AND all of the mixed WOM (as in a few "GREATS!!!" and a few "OK"s.) lead me to believe this picture isn't strong enough to win BP. I hear that, as a film, it's rather pedestrian. Essentially, you're arguing in the place of Ray. Would you have touted Ray as the front runner for a BP win last year? No, no. That's right- you're biased by your fanboyish obsession for this movie, aren't you?

Even forgetting Munich, the fact is that Walk the Line can't beat Good Night, and Good Luck. Or Syriana as things are looking good for it. Or Crash if it sneaks in. Or Cinderella Man if it sneaks in. Any of those 4 movies if they were up against WTL would probably win against it. Mav is acting like Munich is the only thing in its way, and Walk the Line will be the frontrunner because that film will magically disappoint. But it remains that there is a handful of movies that have been released early that would beat the movie anyways.

I seriously don't understand what the point of discussing Oscar chances and predictions and such are if someone has the mindset that since something hasn't been released, we can't consider it yet.

There is absolutely no point in arguing about any point you have to make if you think that Walk the Line is the front-runner just because it's the only film yet released that was talked up and in Oscar contention before its release.

Everyone else is discussing the race, not waiting for it to unfold until making any judgements. That's the whole point and fun of the Oscar craze.

I'm so sick of the SAME argument again and again and again.

Out of all the films released, yes... Walk the Line has the best and most definite chance of recieving a nomination.
It is in no way a stand-out film and it just doesn't have enough mojo that Oscar winners do.

This is all besides the fact that I think it's far from deserving a nod when considering other films throughout the year. So, don't think I'm placing any bias in this. Ask any of the writers for all those Oscar predictions and chances are close to nothing that one will say Walk the Line is the front-runner to win.

You guys are in essence arguing about the understanding and application fo the word "front-runner."

No, Zack, I'm not biased, and I didn't say it's guaranteed to win, just that it is the frontrunner until something comes along to make a better case. Munich could suck.

I DID read the reviews, and no, just because a few raved more about the performances doesn't mean that was the consensus, but you can feel free to post the link to every review that claims what you say.

It doesn't matter anyway, as I said, I've proved it to have better ratings and scores than 2 of the last BP WINNERS.

As far as WOM being mixed, it looks like the old Zack is showing himself and just looking for an argument, as the yahoo grade was excellent and the legs have proven that WOM is strong, so you need to get the facts on that. I honestly don't see any reason for making things up.

Again, and the point that you are missing, is that WTL does NOT have Ray's competition. If WTL was facing last year's crop of films, it wouldn't be the frontrunner. This isn't last year. Hell, The Aviator doesn't have reviews anywhere near Sideways and Million Dollar Baby, but up until the last second, it was arguably the favorite to win. Critics don't make up the academy, so you can have less than stellar reviews like Gladiator did and still win BP.

Um me? No. I've pretty much started going off on exactly what you've just said. I agree completely.

Yep, Mav is acting like Munich is all that's in contention, which is why he is tracking about 20 movies. Just when I didn't think you could possibly say anything dumber, you show everybody how easily you can. It's second nature for you, huh?

Walk the Line is still the frontrunner.

Listen, don't accuse me of fabricating evidence or grasping at straws. We're arguing a silly, endless argument on the same date. It's absolutely pointless discussing WTL's nonexistent shot at winning BP and I'm pretty much sick of it. No chance, darling. We can throw around the same interpretation until the day the OSCAR ceremony airs. It's stupid.

HA.

If you're sick of it, then stay the hell out of the threads that are discussing it. Pretty simple, huh?

And if you didn't fabricate the evidence by claiming WOM wasn't strong and that the consensus of the critics was that the movie wasn't strong, I wouldn't have accused you, but I did give you the opportunity to prove it with more than your word. Post the numerous reviews that claim that and I'll stand corrected. Show me the proof that WOM is what you claimed.