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billybobwashere
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eh, Crash was undeserving, and Brokeback was a great film...but Saving Private Ryan was a masterpiece, and it lost to a harmless, forgettable romantic comedy. That angers me much more.
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Christian
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Heh, now that Neo pointed out Around the World in 80 Days... didn't that movie feature pretty much all working actors in Hollywood in the 1950's in cameos and supporting roles? lol No wonder it won...
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Rod
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As much crap as Shakespeare in Love gets...it was a box office hit, did win numerous awards prior to its Oscar win, and not only was it one of the most acclaimed movies that year, it has the second highest Rotten Tomatoes score for any best picture winner in the past 10 years, behind only The Return of the King.
Over the past 10 years definitely Brokeback, even though there were signs Crash was beginning to pick up steam in the weeks leading up to the awards.
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Shack
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Can't beleive it's almost been two years since Crash won... my adolescence flew by me
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android
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Harmless? Forgettable? Shakespeare in Love?
Whatever.
And what Rod said basically. I love Saving Private Ryan and Shakespeare almost equally (I might actually give the edge to the latter) but that year had an even better movie that became one of the biggest snubs in history? Three words: The Truman Show.
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billybobwashere
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I wouldn't have much of a problem with it beating SPR if it weren't for this: I know one of the film's producers, Ian Bryce [he's also been behind Spider-man, Transformers, and now Hancock so he's pretty well-off]. He said that a man came up to him a few months after its release and said that before this film came out, he had never been able to talk to his family about what World War II was like for him as a soldier and the effects it had on him. When everyone he knew saw this film, it was so accurate in its portrayal and so powerful that it allowed people to finally understand what it was like, and he was able to talk about it for the first time in his life.
I can't think of one thing about Shakespeare in Love that comes even close to being as powerful as that.
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android
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billybobwashere wrote: I wouldn't have much of a problem with it beating SPR if it weren't for this: I know one of the film's producers, Ian Bryce [he's also been behind Spider-man, Transformers, and now Hancock so he's pretty well-off]. He said that a man came up to him a few months after its release and said that before this film came out, he had never been able to talk to his family about what World War II was like for him as a soldier and the effects it had on him. When everyone he knew saw this film, it was so accurate in its portrayal and so powerful that it allowed people to finally understand what it was like, and he was able to talk about it for the first time in his life.
I can't think of one thing about Shakespeare in Love that comes even close to being as powerful as that. The importance factor. Point taken. 
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Shack
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Memento losing Best Original Screenplay was also pretty weak And Paul Giamatti not getting nominated for Sideways 
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Jonathan
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Shack wrote: Memento losing Best Original Screenplay was also pretty weak Eh, that doesn't really stand up as a shock (It was probably too wacky for the Academy, and Gosford Park already won the WGA), or even as undeserving (I loved Memento, but GP's obsessive detail and delicate construction made it a truly worthy winner). But Gosford Park is also probably one of my Top 5 favorite films of this decade, so my love obviously runs deep. And yes, that Giamatti snub is total BS.
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Dr. Lecter
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Especially considering his performance in Cinderella Man was quite weaker.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Especially considering his performance in Cinderella Man was quite weaker. Agree, even though I wouldn't nominate him for either.
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The Scottie
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Biggest Win-Surprises (no order):
- One of the biggest one, without a doubt is of course Crash winning Best Picture over Brokeback Mountain. Looking back at it, the SAG Ensemble win was foretelling, but hell, it still had no precedence. The last movie to win Best Picture without a Golden Globe Picture nom was The Sting, I think and that made $150+ million in theatres whereas Crash wasn't even the biggest nominee in its year and Brokeback Mountain sweeped the awards before it.
- Another already mentioned one would be The Pianist winning Best Actor/Director/Adapted Screenplay - it was not a frontrunner by far in any of these, so the whole thing was "WTF?!". In Best Actor, we all thought that it'd be a tight two-way race between Day-Lewis and Nicholson, Director was obviously going to Scorsese or Marshall and Adapted Screenplay to the much lauded Adaptation or to The Hours. Hell, The Pianist didn't get a WGA nom even!
- Marisa Tomei (My Cousin Vinny) winning with pretty much not a single precursor was baffling, especially since Judy Davis (Husbands and Wives) and Joan Plowright (Enchanted April) both seemed to have a great chance winning several big precursors.
- Marcia Gay Harden winning for Pollock without even a SAG nom or a GG nom was equally msyterious. I mean the only precursor she had was winning Best Supporting Actress at the New York Film Critics Circle Awards...and that's it!
- Shakespeare in Love winning Best Picture over Saving Private Ryan was surprising because Ryan won the PGA and the DGA before, but to a less degree because SiL also won the Golden Globe for BP (Comedy/Musical) and led the nominations count that night.
- However Braveheart winning BP certainly was somewhat of a surprise. I bet what helped immensly was the lack of a Best Director nom for Apollo 13 and Sense and Sensibility. Braveheart remains the only BP winner not to be nominated by the SAG for Best Ensemble and it wasn't nominated for a PGA awards either.
- Roberto Benigni (Life is Beautiful) winning Best Actor was quite a shocker as well Good list, but I like to add this one. Juliette Binoche winning for Best Supporting Actress for English Patient, over Lauren Bacall.
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Barrabás
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[quote="loyalfromlondon"]I still remember watching the television in shock and horror when Crash won. It's etched into my psyche.[quote]
I was also horrified/disturbed/WTF-ed when it won. It was just so so so so so WTF and wrong.
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Lucky
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As for Winners
Adrien Brody (very happy he won)
Steven Soderbergh winning over Ang Lee
Memento losing editing
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Dr. Lecter
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I thought Soderbergh winning wasn't much of a surprise, since he had two nominations that night.
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Lucky
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Dr. Lecter wrote: I thought Soderbergh winning wasn't much of a surprise, since he had two nominations that night. Ang Lee had won both the DGA and GG for directing that year. Many also felt Soderbergh's two nominations would cancel each other out.
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Skyblade
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The thing is--as good as Saving Private Ryan was, that Shakespeare in Love was so totally different, one could make a case for it. It is a gentler, prettier movie. It has a lot of levity. That's usually not my recipe for a masterpiece, but on those terms, someone voting for Shakespeare over Ryan at least follows its own internal logic.
Crash presents itself as thought-provoking and edgy, and it fails miserably. In a year the Academy was supposedly giving itself a pat on the back for eschewing big budget fare, it went with the least intelligent, most poorly crafted film on all levels. It presented the headache-inducing moebius strip of an argument--should Brokeback Mountain have won for the message? No. But then...why did they vote for a film that has no other merits beside its message, and in a format that's pure pablum? And a film that isn't even a period piece. That isn't glossy. Going so faux-indie is worse than not going indie at all.
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Dr. Lecter
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Well, the thing is that some people (including myself, Roger Ebert and some others) actually thought that Crash worked. 
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snack
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Well, the thing is that some people (including myself, Roger Ebert and some others) actually thought that Crash worked.  Even if you though it worked in getting its (overly simplistic, prejudiced) message across...I don't see how anyone could look past its god-awful screenplay, poor direction, and mostly-cheesy acting (with the exception of Thandie Newton...who was great).
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Dr. Lecter
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Dillon was great too 
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Michael.
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What? No. Thandie Newton was the weak link in Crash's cast, she was just given more to do.
I really do quite like Crash though, its an all time top 25 for me.
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Libs
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s snack wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Well, the thing is that some people (including myself, Roger Ebert and some others) actually thought that Crash worked.  Even if you though it worked in getting its (overly simplistic, prejudiced) message across...I don't see how anyone could look past its god-awful screenplay, poor direction, and mostly-cheesy acting (with the exception of Thandie Newton...who was great). Wow. I really hate this attitude. So, so much. "I don't see how anyone could look past its..." Guess what, bucko? Not everyone views something the exact same way you do. It's really so tiring and annoying to have to try to defend one's opinion of a movie to pretentious people who nitpick and judge everything.
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Libs
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loyalfromlondon wrote: but it's Crash though. I really don't care what movie it is.
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Chippy
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loyalfromlondon wrote: but it's Crash though.
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Michael.
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Libs wrote: It's really so tiring and annoying to have to try to defend one's opinion of a movie to pretentious people who nitpick and judge everything. IAWTC and think im on the wrong forum sometimes.
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