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zwackerm
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Spotlight is already a completely forgotten film.
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Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:21 am |
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stuffp
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It isn't, it hasn't left my mind to watch it since Friday, February 12, 2016, 6:38:49 AM (China Time).
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Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:19 pm |
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Algren
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zwackerm wrote: Spotlight is already a completely forgotten film. As is The Revenant and all the other films released and praised in the Oscar bubble.
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Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:07 pm |
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zwackerm
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Algren wrote: zwackerm wrote: Spotlight is already a completely forgotten film. As is The Revenant and all the other films released and praised in the Oscar bubble. Mad Max is not forgotten, nor is The Martian. And I remember Room, though that may just be me.
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:30 pm |
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Algren
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zwackerm wrote: Algren wrote: zwackerm wrote: Spotlight is already a completely forgotten film. As is The Revenant and all the other films released and praised in the Oscar bubble. Mad Max is not forgotten, nor is The Martian. And I remember Room, though that may just be me. Well Fury Road was popular before the bubble, but I believe The Martian has been largely forgotten. Nobody is mentioning it anymore, and nobody is holding in a high regard. I've not see Room yet.
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:37 pm |
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stuffp
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Algren wrote: I believe The Martian has been largely forgotten. Nobody is mentioning it anymore, and nobody is holding in a high regard. I've not see Room yet. Martian: top 5 film of 2015.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:26 am |
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zwackerm
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stuffp wrote: Algren wrote: I believe The Martian has been largely forgotten. Nobody is mentioning it anymore, and nobody is holding in a high regard. I've not see Room yet. Martian: top 5 film of 2015. We were just talking about it in my writing class about how it lacks tension for a film about someone stranded on Mars. Room is amazing, watch it!
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:14 am |
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Algren
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zwackerm wrote: We were just talking about it in my writing class about how it lacks tension for a film about someone stranded on Mars. Which is just one of many reasons that it will be a forgotten Oscar film.
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MadGez
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I still haven't seen The Martian. It just doesn't appeal to me partly for the reason Zaeckerm mentions.
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stuffp
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zwackerm wrote: how it lacks tension for a film about someone stranded on Mars. I'm not sure what kind of tension is expected when "someone stranded on Mars". Without giving spoilers I think there's plenty of it though. But in all it's just good and fun film. It's feelgood and plays the right strings.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:59 pm |
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Algren
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Tension, as in; fear, desperation, agony, despair...none of this is present. The magnitude of being stranded on Mars isn't given its rightful place. It is just Damon finding himself in a really bad situation and going "no problemo", rolling his sleeves up and winning. The level of tension it has is as if a gardener has just been informed there's a hosepipe ban.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:55 pm |
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stuffp
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Sure, it's rather light, humor is the lifeline of the film...it's one of it's strengths for me. It's not a dramatic space film like Gravity or Interstellar to name two, but it's nothing the worse either.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:57 am |
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Shack
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I guess they had one hand behind their back because outside of humour the Martian isn't a well written book. Here is an excerpt, most of the book is written like this: Quote: I'm pretty much fucked.
That's my considered opinion.
Fucked.
Six days into what should be the greatest two months of my life, and it's turned into a nightmare.
I don't even know who'll read this. I guess someone will find it eventually. Maybe a hundred years from now.
For the record . . . I didn't die on Sol 6. Certainly the rest of the crew thought I did, and I can't blame them. Maybe there'll be a day of national mourning for me, and my Wikipedia page will say, "Mark Watney is the only human being to have died on Mars."
And it'll be right, probably. 'Cause I'll surely die here. Just not on Sol 6 when everyone thinks I did.
Let's see . . . where do I begin?
The Ares Program. Mankind reaching out to Mars to send people to another planet for the very first time and expand the horizons of humanity blah, blah, blah. The Ares 1 crew did their thing and came back heroes. They got the parades and fame and love of the world.
Ares 2 did the same thing, in a different location on Mars. They got a firm handshake and a hot cup of coffee when they got home.
Ares 3. Well, that was my mission. Okay, not mine per se. Commander Lewis was in charge. I was just one of her crew. Actually, I was the very lowest ranked member of the crew. I would only be "in command" of the mission if I were the only remaining person.
What do you know? I'm in command.
I wonder if this log will be recovered before the rest of the crew die of old age. I presume they got back to Earth all right. Guys, if you're reading this: It wasn't your fault. You did what you had to do. In your position I would have done the same thing. I don't blame you, and I'm glad you survived.
I guess I should explain how Mars missions work, for any layman who may be reading this. We got to Earth orbit the normal way, through an ordinary ship to Hermes. All the Ares missions use Hermes to get to and from Mars. It's really big and cost a lot so NASA built only one.
Once we got to Hermes, four additional unmanned missions brought us fuel and supplies while we prepared for our trip. Once everything was a go, we set out for Mars. But not very fast. Gone are the days of heavy chemical fuel burns and trans-Mars injection orbits.
Hermes is powered by ion engines. They throw argon out the back of the ship really fast to get a tiny amount of acceleration. The thing is, it doesn't take much reactant mass, so a little argon (and a nuclear reactor to power things) let us accelerate constantly the whole way there. You'd be amazed at how fast you can get going with a tiny acceleration over a long time.
I could regale you with tales of how we had great fun on the trip, but I won't. I don't feel like reliving it right now. Suffice it to say we got to Mars 124 days later without strangling each other.
From there, we took the MDV (Mars descent vehicle) to the surface. The MDV is basically a big can with some light thrusters and parachutes attached. Its sole purpose is to get six humans from Mars orbit to the surface without killing any of them.
And now we come to the real trick of Mars exploration: having all of our shit there in advance.
A total of fourteen unmanned missions deposited everything we would need for surface operations. They tried their best to land all the supply vessels in the same general area, and did a reasonably good job. Supplies aren't nearly so fragile as humans and can hit the ground really hard. But they tend to bounce around a lot.
Naturally, they didn't send us to Mars until they'd confirmed that all the supplies had made it to the surface and their containers weren't breached. Start to finish, including supply missions, a Mars mission takes about three years. In fact, there were Ares 3 supplies en route to Mars while the Ares 2 crew were on their way home.
The most important piece of the advance supplies, of course, was the MAV. The Mars ascent vehicle. That was how we would get back to Hermes after surface operations were complete. The MAV was soft-landed (as opposed to the balloon bounce-fest the other supplies had). Of course, it was in constant communication with Houston, and if there had been any problems with it, we would have passed by Mars and gone home without ever landing.
The MAV is pretty cool. Turns out, through a neat set of chemical reactions with the Martian atmosphere, for every kilogram of hydrogen you bring to Mars, you can make thirteen kilograms of fuel. It's a slow process, though. It takes twenty-four months to fill the tank. That's why they sent it long before we got here.
You can imagine how disappointed I was when I discovered the MAV was gone.
It was a ridiculous sequence of events that led to me almost dying, and an even more ridiculous sequence that led to me surviving.
The mission is designed to handle sandstorm gusts up to 150 kph. So Houston got understandably nervous when we got whacked with 175 kph winds. We all got in our flight space suits and huddled in the middle of the Hab, just in case it lost pressure. But the Hab wasn't the problem.
The MAV is a spaceship. It has a lot of delicate parts. It can put up with storms to a certain extent, but it can't just get sandblasted forever. After an hour and a half of sustained wind, NASA gave the order to abort. Nobody wanted to stop a monthlong mission after only six days, but if the MAV took any more punishment, we'd all have gotten stranded down there.
We had to go out in the storm to get from the Hab to the MAV. That was going to be risky, but what choice did we have?
Everyone made it but me.
Our main communications dish, which relayed signals from the Hab to Hermes, acted like a parachute, getting torn from its foundation and carried with the torrent. Along the way, it crashed through the reception antenna array. Then one of those long thin antennae slammed into me end-first. It tore through my suit like a bullet through butter, and I felt the worst pain of my life as it ripped open my side. I vaguely remember having the wind knocked out of me (pulled out of me, really) and my ears popping painfully as the pressure of my suit escaped.
The last thing I remember was seeing Johanssen hopelessly reaching out toward me.
I awoke to the oxygen alarm in my suit. A steady, obnoxious beeping that eventually roused me from a deep and profound desire to just fucking die.
The storm had abated; I was facedown, almost totally buried in sand. As I groggily came to, I wondered why I wasn't more dead.
The antenna had enough force to punch through the suit and my side, but it had been stopped by my pelvis. So there was only one hole in the suit (and a hole in me, of course).
I had been knocked back quite a ways and rolled down a steep hill. Somehow I landed facedown, which forced the antenna to a strongly oblique angle that put a lot of torque on the hole in the suit. It made a weak seal.
Then, the copious blood from my wound trickled down toward the hole. As the blood reached the site of the breach, the water in it quickly evaporated from the airflow and low pressure, leaving a gunky residue behind. More blood came in behind it and was also reduced to gunk. Eventually, it sealed the gaps around the hole and reduced the leak to something the suit could counteract.
The suit did its job admirably. Sensing the drop in pressure, it constantly flooded itself with air from my nitrogen tank to equalize. Once the leak became manageable, it only had to trickle new air in slowly to relieve the air lost.
After a while, the CO2 (carbon dioxide) absorbers in the suit were expended. That's really the limiting factor to life support. Not the amount of oxygen you bring with you, but the amount of CO2 you can remove. In the Hab, I have the oxygenator, a large piece of equipment that breaks apart CO2 to give the oxygen back. But the space suits have to be portable, so they use a simple chemical absorption process with expendable filters. I'd been asleep long enough that my filters were useless. Missing that "this is a professional author" feel imo... and that extends to some of the plotting and lifted dialog that probably hurt the movie
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Algren
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Shack wrote: Quote: I'm pretty much fucked.
That's my considered opinion.
Fucked.
Six days into what should be the greatest two months of my life, and it's turned into a nightmare.
I don't even know who'll read this. I guess someone will find it eventually. Maybe a hundred years from now.
For the record . . . I didn't die on Sol 6. Certainly the rest of the crew thought I did, and I can't blame them. Maybe there'll be a day of national mourning for me, and my Wikipedia page will say, "Mark Watney is the only human being to have died on Mars."
And it'll be right, probably. 'Cause I'll surely die here. Just not on Sol 6 when everyone thinks I did.
Smart-ass shit.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:27 am |
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stuffp
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I quite enjoyed reading that excerpt too. Reminded me a bit of Savages, which btw. is a great book and unfortunately the film doesn't do it justice.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:32 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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The Martian is entertaining as fuck. That's what it needs to be.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:25 am |
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zwackerm
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I do not prefer books that are written in first person. There are exceptions (The Hunger Games), but I have been trying to read Miss Peregrine, but the first person point of view makes it feel amateurish. Not that the Hunger Games isn't written that way, but it was gripping enough anyway.
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Shack
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Dr. Lecter
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Wrong thread, dude.
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