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Joker is a 2019 American psychological thriller film directed by Todd Phillips, who co-wrote the screenplay with Scott Silver. The film, based on DC Comics characters, stars Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker. Distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures, it is intended to launch DC Black, a series of DC-based standalone films. The film, which acts as an origin story for the Joker, is set in 1981 and follows Arthur Fleck, a failed stand-up comedian who turns to a life of crime and chaos in Gotham City. Robert De Niro, Zazie Beetz, and Frances Conroy appear in supporting roles.

Joker premiered at the 76th Venice International Film Festival on August 31, 2019, where it won the Golden Lion, the festival's highest prize. It is scheduled to be theatrically released in the United States on October 4, 2019. The film received positive reviews from critics, with particular praise for Phoenix's performance.


Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:58 pm
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I completely understand and stand behind the praise Phoenix and Phillips are getting for this movie, both of them are at the top of their game. The movie is brilliant when it focuses only on Phoenix but as the second half of the film expands the world it just doesn't hold up. The reasons for this man turning bad almost felt conflicting with what the movie was trying to bring with that "painful laugh". As a Batman starter or as a Joker movie it needed more build-up. The whole riots joining Joker (even with the justification) felt like shoe-horned to bring that famous dark alley sequence specially with the "real ending" in hospital. Robert De Niro and Beetz are wasted here.

I wished that they haven't called this movie Joker. I probably would have loved it more looking at this movie without that antihero plotting and ending with De Niro stage sequence delivering a bigger emotional conclusion.


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yeah fuck this movie.

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Yeah the snowflakes were actually right on this one. It is very thematically troubling.

It’s still a good movie though and if they had just done a few things differently it could have been great.


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I think one scene change could have salvaged it a bit. They’re interviewing people about the subway killings (which is the best part of the movie) and one person says the clown is a hero. Why? Is it because he saved an innocent from predatory men? Nope. “Fuck rich people!” My problems aren’t of my own creation, its everyone else thats to blame. Society is holding me down and the system only rewards the worst of us. And my positive relationships with women? ALL A LIE. So therefore it is ok to commit violence, ok to take your vengeance on those who “wronged you” and even those who didn’t because fuck em. My life has been hard and everyone else needs to feel sorry for me or die trying.


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Phoenix is so good in the first 2/3 of this movie and the cinematography and score is pretty brilliant that it actually feels like it’s going to pull off the crazy attempt it’s trying to make. And then it becomes quickly apparent in the last thirty minutes that the movie actually doesn’t have any intelligence and it turns into a giant turd and devalues anything before it.

This was written by a sixth grader who just discovered Nietzsche for the first time and thinks they’ve figured out nihilism but hasn’t got a clue (and also didn’t even bother to read Camus or Sartre or anyone post Nietzche). It has zero intelligence on the infrastructure and institutional problems of modern society despite trying to portray these things. It doesn’t understand mental illness at all, which is really bad for a movie that has two major characters with mental illness. And worst, it doesn’t fucking understand the character of Joker. Todd Phillips wanted to make a shitty attempt at a Scorsese movie and used the Joker as an excuse to get a budget for it. Fuck him.

The scene with Rock and Roll Part II is a disgrace to humanity, to the Joker, and to cinema and Todd Phillips should never be allowed near a movie ever again just for making that.

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The only value of this movie is that it affirms the greatness of films like Taxi Driver and A Clockwork Orange. This subject is not easy to handle and there’s a reason why it takes directors at the level of Scorsese and Kubrick to actually make it work. If you’re not at that level, stay away cause you will fail, even if you have a great actor like Phoenix to use.

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I actually loved this one

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Love or hate film it seems

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I loved it as well.


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Love or hate film it seems
I mean, my grade is still like a B. It's an impressive film, but an annoying one as well. The whole purpose seems to be "Arthur would not turn into Joker if things were different" but I don't think it accomplished that at all. Instead it lands on a Pro-Nihilism stance, because everybody is so awful that you should have the right to be awful too. It's almost like a frat-boy was trying to make a Martin Scorsese movie without ever having seen the end to one. Movies that directly tell me how smart and important they are, and how special and important I am for choosing them, that then proceed to go nowhere are my biggest pet peeve in the industry.

What I did like:

1) The King of Comedy ft. Joker is a pretty good premise for a movie. Though, again, Scorsese never once questions whether Rupert Pupkin's life is anything but his own fault. There's a responsibility in that movie, and a very ambiguous ending and Joker could have used both of those things.

2) The score is fantastic. Maybe the second best of the year after Us.

3) Strong camera work as well.

4) Jaquin's ACTING is a little too much sometimes, but its an incredible performance.

5) I didn't need to see the Wayne's die again (4th time on the big screen), and I do think Arthur should have died for thematic purposes. That being said, Pattinson v Phoenix will be a pretty epic showdown in The Batman 2 in 2024ish. They did nail the idea of Joker being responsible for their deaths without actually doing the deed himself (have you ever danced … nah they already dead.)


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It's weird/not weird to me that this is already so beloved on the internet. It reminded me of Daenarys' arc on the final season of Thrones … which everyone on the internet HATED.


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The internet loving it makes sense because it’s the type of movie that may seem like a masterpiece to those with little intelligence. But anyone who thinks beyond a middle school level can understand just how silly and dumb the movie handles its serious themes.

I actually agree with Flavas positives about the movie mostly. It has a lot of good to great elements. I just personally feel the films inability to handle its themes just devalues everything and make it worthless.

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Phenomenal. Completely transcends the comic book genre and blows every other Joker out of the water (sorry, Heath). It's a startlingly original combination of tenderness and horror anchored by a career-defining performance. It's also topical in a way that feels genuine and important, unlike most of the social commentary claptrap that Hollywood churns out. My one criticism is that Thomas Wayne's death should've been a bigger moment considering its narrative weight.

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It was entertaining but pretentious and seemed very focused on having a message moreso than being a movie.

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A lot of great scenes, but no real plot to string it together. It doesn't really depict Phoenix's downfall all that well, and it doesn't really hit any any new ground for the genre, and it's R while apparent isn't utilized all that much. But it is an overall good experience, acting and cinematography are great, and would enjoy seeing a 10-20 year older Joker up against the new Batman down the line.

Not quite a homerun, but a major move in the right direction for DC.

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I really enjoyed it, but I can't really say that I thought it was a great film either. Phoenix is fantastic and from a technical/production standpoint it's very well made, but honestly there just wasn't that much for me to get invested in with this movie. It really does feel like that outside of Phoenix as Arthur Fleck it's actually quite weak when it comes to other characters and while Phoenix does carry the majority of it well from a story/narrative perspective a lot of it felt like it was really lacking IMO. The third act is easily my favorite part of this movie, especially that final confrontation between Deniro and Phoenix.

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Really hated this.


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Listen to Magnus he knows his shit.
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Magnus is the fucking voice of reason.
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You're incredibly overrated and and if they made a Pixar film about you it would gross less than The Good Dinosaur.


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So many ideas in its little head. And fuck if Todd Phillips doesn’t have a clue what to do with them. Phoenix makes this really watchable, almost to the point where I’d recommend it, but no. It’s clear Phillips wanted to make a hybrid of Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy (why else is this set in 1981?). The only problem is that no one would want to see that, especially from Phillips. Tack on the Joker’s name, Spectre the franchise (maybe...just another thing Phillips is wishy-washy over), and boom $306 million later, here we are.

The one thing they cut (supposedly) that would’ve been interesting: Bruce dying as well.

Boy is that Gary Glitter scene embarrassing. More embarrassing than anything Leto did (though that’s more on Phillips).

I know funding was cut, eliminating all social workers in Gotham ( :funny: cause that’s how it works), but nobody could’ve referred him to a social worker in Metropolis?

Here’s a first: Robert DeNiro bad. Miscast and flat out bad. Phillips desperately wants to make that Taxi Driver/King of Comedy connection though. The only problem is Johnny Carson he ain’t. He’s not even Leno. He’s actually very similar to how he is on SNL which just goes to show you how much he probably prepared for the role.

Finally, we’re supposed to believe this Joker becomes a criminal mastermind? Is there a hint anywhere that Arthur is smart let alone a simpleton? And with that voice?

Two more positives: The set and production design is really well done. Even though there’s no real reason for this movie to be set in 1981 (other than for the reason already stated in addition to matching/mimicking similar crimes that took place during that period which makes it even more problematic), you really believe it’s 1981. I also really liked Zazie Beetz. It’s just a shame Phillips doesn’t have the balls to show us what happened with her character.

One more negative: The two biggest laughs of the movie are a little person jumping for a door handle after Arthur brutally murders a friend because he sold Arthur the gun which started the whole thing. The other is Arthur bringing said gun to a children’s hospital. I’ll let you guess which one works and which one doesn’t, but let’s just say Phillips is twisted (insert gnarly guitar rift, shout out Blank Check).

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There is a lot more going on with this film than meets the eye. It's a much deeper film that some are giving it credit for, and this is especially true if you're a Batman fan and really look at the layers. The film requires more than one viewing to really get all the details and subtleties going on. A lot of details are easy to miss due to the magnetic performance of Phoenix. I don't really feel like explaining in depth, but I say all this as someone who had very strong doubts about this film before watching it.

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Boy is that Gary Glitter scene embarrassing. More embarrassing than anything Leto did (though that’s more on Phillips).


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I went in having avoided basically all reviews / press / hype / controversy. Just wanted to see the movie....

Ended up having one of the most unsettling movie experiences of my life. I never want to see this again. Extremely disturbing on a deep level for me.

Also, some young male in the front of the theater was being extremely obnoxious and yelling stuff about the movie, was asked by an attendant to leave, he was swearing at her, then security came (during the scene where Joker was fleeing the police in the subway mayhem) and the guy supposedly threw a punch saying "I'm not leaving! I paid to be here! Call the cops!" then made a hasty escape when security left.... it was too fuckin meta. Very uncomfortable.

The anxiety that built throughout this movie affected me deeply. I thought it was fucking excellent and awful.

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Joker is annoying me more by the day.

Todd Phillips: "I wanted to make a real movie, but I disguised it as a comic book movie." What 'real movies' have you made before Todd? Fuck off.

Martin Scorsese: "I can't watch Marvel movies. It's not real cinema." Love you Marty, but maybe don't criticize others for making the "same movie every time" while you are promoting a gangster movie with Robert DeNiro.


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