In terms of ticket sales, it's very close to TPM considering 3D and IMAX.

Yes, because I don't agree with you on everything I'm an idiot.

I never said you were an idiot.

This is my favorite SW movie.

I'm so sorry.

If you really believe a B equals love, then I'm beginning to understand your comments about divorce in the other thread.




Here's the all-time list of movies ranked from most loved to least loved.

♡ = $

One year later and another viewing, I'd probably lower my grade from an A to an A-. The first half hour and the last half hour are terrific, but the middle is mostly nostalgia and was kinda boring the second time around. The movie would have been alot better with a simple rescue mission at the end instead of having anything to do with a third death star. They did a great job at building the four new characters though, and the production is still A+. JJ knows how to make a satisfying picture.

Oh if I could ban people from this forum, bradley would be the first.

I think I'll raise my grade to C/C-. It's rarely boring, which is something Rogue One couldn't achieve. Even if it is a remake of a perfect movie.

Ahh, changing your grade because of another movie that has nothing to do with this one.

I just think I've been too hard on it.

This is still, hands down, the best movie in this entire "cinematic universe."

It is, yes.

I would have bet on this too.



All bets are off.

He has created a myth that has sparked inspiration

*Serious Excel*

I think this film & the reception of TLJ speak strongly to an interesting place that moviegoing society has arrived at. I won't play the silly game of pretending THE LAST JEDI was poorly received. However, there is a clear disparity between the reception of these two among select factions of the fanbase.

For many viewers (or in this case, Star Wars fanboys) nowadays, they are not seeking new thrills or experiences as much as they are simply looking to relive past ones. They opt for the much safer approach even though the high from it so much lower than the other. It is difficult to imagine how a film like EMPIRE STRIKES BACK would truly be received by todays audiences given how radically it went against preset expectations. It is revealing, interesting, and totally disappointing that so many SW fans are rejecting the very approach which made the series great and has driven countless other tales forward. The lack of awareness and abundance of hypocrisy is annoying.

Few freaked out on Abrams when Han Solo died even though it did not mean much to the plot (at least what the films have shown). There was little complaining about what this film does to ROTJ given that their victory in that film was clearly short lived and the 3 original characters all ultimately ended up exactly where they started ANH. It is not possible for a rational person to rewatch the OT and view even close to the same knowing that the Dark Side rises stronger than ever a short time later, Han and Leia break up and return to where they were before, and Luke goes off to live alone. All the development in the OT was ultimately in vein. These are epic, ridiculous plot devices which never should have happened yet nobody cared. BUT - have Kylo go uber-alpha and kill the leader to take power (something even Vader was not strong enough to do) or have Luke surpass Yoda in death as the most powerful Jedi ever?



This movie is a shiny, entertaining, repackaged version of the original. It is fun and enjoyable, However, from an artistic integrity level, it is difficult to respect something so pathetically unoriginal.

Just my thoughts.



Amen.

Ha, I'm glad somebody made that a GIF, I kind of love ROTS, but I that final lightsaber battle is so fucking horrible at times.

And I want to credit Lucas because I get what he is trying to do, but it is just so stupid.

"It's over! I have the high ground"

I appreciate this now even more.

Disregarding the LOL-worthy first paragraph, pretty much everything came true

yup basically

In pro wrestling the term “cheap pop” is used for when you do something that makes people cheer in the moment (like shouting out their city, or to some extent flippy moves), but it doesn’t have a deeper impact on how much they like your character. The opposite is cheap heat where if you say a city’s sports team sucks you’ll get an easy boo, but the real good villain characters find more substantial ways for the audience to hate their characters, and not just hate what they said.

I think The Force Awakens nostalgia was a cheap pop

The Empire rising again didn’t have to be a huge issue. Rian Johnson kind of owned that by saying that just because you kill the Sith lords doesn’t mean the dark side is just going to go away. And Luke trying to just take things back to the way they were before, with the Republic and Jedi Order, was a problem since there is a flaw in the system itself.

But instead they were like nope, Palpatine was behind it all.

The Rise of Skywalker gives me an appreciation for this film. At least this film was coherent and left room for an interesting future in episodes 8-9 that was never realized.

If I were a true Star Wars fan, by far the most upsetting part of the entire ST would be where the original trio started in TFA. Solo was back smuggling with Chewbaca, Leia was by herself helping the resistance fight the empire, and Luke was isolated and alone. Nearly all of the character development with them in the OT was undone in the year between. Additionally, some time terrible personal events happened to them. I get that this served Abrams story but it is pretty shitty. It has become very clear that nerds were just blinded by "OMG Star Wars IS BACK" sentiment and were initially oblivious to these obvious issues.

That is really a crazy decision in hindsight that really altered the dynamic of the ST for the worse.

-They shield have kept Han and Leia together - maybe have their paths of the new hero's intersect with Solo and Leia when they're searching for their son. Separating them was just lame.

-They could have still done the "bringing Luke out of retirement" dynamic too.