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 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 

What grade would you give this film?
A 32%  32%  [ 23 ]
B 47%  47%  [ 34 ]
C 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
D 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
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 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 
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I am not talking crap :mad:

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Indy after being betrayed: Why Mac?
Mac: What can i say Jonesy, im a captialist.


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So Mac's on Spielberg's and Lucas' side, then. Does Spielberg acknowledge that?


And I don't see why capitalism is associated with treachery. If it is anything, it is honest in its greed.

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box-2004 wrote:
I am not talking crap :mad:



You are saying how Spielberg is using propaganda and how he makes america the good and the Soviets the bad when infact he shows both goverments in the same light.


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box-2004 wrote:
I am not talking crap :mad:



You are saying how Spielberg is using propaganda and how he makes america the good and the Soviets the bad when infact he shows both goverments in the same light.


One does not undo the other. :sleep:

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Soviet Union was humane, tell that to the Armenians, East Europeans, Afghani's.....


Box take your commie loving elsewhere...


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And I resent that you dismiss me as an oversensitive college student. If anything, you're not sensitive enough to what films like Indiana Jones imply. Sure, the Indiana Jones films are mindless entertainment (although, of course, they are not entertaining at all, but merely vapid). You're giving Spielberg a pass because you think it's ok to establish a rigid dichotomy between the Soviets and the Americans in imaginative cinema. You have little reason to do that; Spielberg is doing nothing more than feeding off on Cold War propaganda and recycling it as so-called entertainment which you're unapologetically eating up. It's what Hollywood has been doing with its anti-Muslim, Islamophobic messages in recent years, confirming that the Bush administration's propaganda has seeped into liberal Hollywood's productions.



I do dismiss you as an oversensitive college student because you are overreacting. It is OK to give Spielberg a pass here due to the context in which he establishes the dichotomy between Soviets and Americans - a popcorn flick.

Why does that make it OK? Because of what I already said. The director assumes you are smart enough to know that the real world doesn't work like that. If you aren't smart enough well...tough (I'm not saying you aren't, I'm talking in general). Not every film has to be burdened with shades of grey. A film like Munich, sure. Indiana Jones? No.

You are at that age where you are at your most liberal. It is also the age when you are the most obnoxious. Time will teach you that you have to pick your battles. Worrying about the depiction of Soviets in a popcorn action adventure flick isn't a battle worth fighting. Downright silly, really.

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That's were you are wrong, dear Rogue. Indiana Jones, while an utterly mindless, simple film made for mindless people who find dumb comments funny (Shack :disgust: ), is nevertheless an evil, evil, evil work. I hate it, so much.


I should also note that Spielberg has a history of misrepresenting dinosaurs as well. They were not that bad.


He got it right with the Nazis, though. :thumbsup: Except I think he portrays them as a bit nicer than they were, but whatever. I'm not one to nitpick.

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Hmm... do I finally sense you loosening up? I hope so.

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Did the drama llama come here?

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Did the drama llama come here?


Yeah, and box was riding her.

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I'd only ride the llama if it was male, thankyouverymuch :sleep:


Today on campus, a random stranger asked me to recommend him a film to watch, either Indiana Jones or Iron Man. I strongly encouraged him to pick Iron Man, which he did :ninja:

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Speilberg has a weird tendency to make the bad guys be not tooo bad in IJ films.


They sometimes crack a joke and he made the Nazi's a bunch of jokers...

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So I've finally gotten bored with my Indiana Jones hateration. It was tons of fun riling you all up, and you deserve a massive kick in the ass for taking it so bloody seriously.


Kudos to thegun for his irritatingly impressive resilience. Rogue too. And manny. :thumbsup:

For what it's worth, I remember liking the Indiana Jones films, although I haven't seen them in ages. I basically consider them to be childish and silly, but within those parameters, they are entertaining. Certainly not bad films :P

Now I need a new film to pretend-hate :er:

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Box, you could just admit you were wrong. It's not that big a deal. No need to cover it up.

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Heh, Box. Take The New World (to rile up folks)


Anyway, Iron Man is actually a tad better than Indy, so...

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You don't have to pretend-hate The New World, it actually blows.


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Saw it last night; forgive me if some of my comments are repetitive of what others may have said, but I didn't read through all nine pages here.

Overall, good -- I had fun. I have no problem with the aliens plot, which to me seems no more far out there than any of the previous plotlines involving other types of "magic." I was happy to see Marion again, and it made sense that they would still be attracted to each other, so that didn't bother me in the slightest, and I liked the fact that the son had a lot of Indy's abilities. I even liked the reference to "Young Indiana Jones" when Indy made reference to Pancho Vila, one of his earlier adventures.

The problems were not deal-breaking, but still bothersome. I can suspend my disbelief about aliens and such since it's a story, but it's harder to explain how people can cross three huge waterfalls and only suffer getting wet. The Tarzan sequence and attacking monkeys bothered me too. And living through a nuclear blast? And then at the end, why did Indy suddenly get his job back and get appointed assistant dean? What happened? (That one just needed a short explanation to resolve, which we never got)

However, overall these things didn't distract me too much. I'd place this after Raiders and Last Crusade but before Temple of Doom.

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I both enjoyed it and was disappointed by it.

Yes, for the most part it is a nice fun summer blockbuster, but I can't help but wish it had been directed by a director who is willing to take more chances. Someone who realizes that you can have fun without being so cheesy/lame/silly. Worst of all I was really excited to see Cate Blanchett in it but she turns out to be a far-from-menacing villain.

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Well, I saw this movie tonight and its easier for me to discuss than I expected. I'm soundly with those who said the original conceit was very good. I liked the 50's updating, I liked the alien theme, and I liked the idea that they landed somewhere long ago and built a city that was advanced in technology before its years.

That being said, something was lacking from this installment of Indy and I know exactly what it is: intensity and mystery. There was not one tease; from the father/son, the gods of the ancient city, the intent of the Russians, or the double-crossing of Indy's aquaintance. The audience was given everything in the early minutes. And if we still couldn't figure out the main plot, Irina needs to s.p.e.l.l. i.t. o.u.t. for us in the first half of the movie by saying the Russians had already disected the aliens from two UFO landings back on the other side of the Atlantic. Then, if we still didn't get it, she even shows us one of the aliens and its brain. By the time the grand finale came around, there wasn't a single person in the audience who didn't know what was coming...no matter how slow that person may be at connecting the dots.

Its one of the few times I could literally say "I know exactly how to make this better." First, don't show what was in the box in area 51. The fact that it is area 51 is already quite enough info for the audience. The follow-up interview when Indy just says years ago he was not told what the mess of limbs were should have been enough. Then, don't have Irina spell it out. Maybe she thinks she knows but isn't sure. Or maybe she knows what, but not where, and doesn't want to reveal too much. Maybe make her associations more ambiguous, or at least not say why she's interestedin it (brain control over the capitalists was her overly elaborate, over-telling, explanation).

Then, include more of the foundation myth. Instead of just saying the city was otherwise called El Dorado and dwell on the gold, go into mythology, 13 gods...that came from the sky and showed mankind "new technologies" like irrigation and so forth "that wouldn't surface again for 5000 years". And also how the natives would bind their kids heads to look like the gods. That was a great section of the movie (with the skulls in the insane asylum and the elongated skulls in the cemetery). It would have built suspense up to the conclusion when it was finally revealed aliens had landed.

Also, I wish Indy and Mutt only found out they were related much later in the movie. Maybe even had some fights and bonding moments of a father-son type before they learned they were actually father/son. It would have added a layer of dramatic emotion. But, like giving away the aliens, someone in production thought it would be good to pull out all the emotional and adventurous twists in the first half hour of the movie so that there would be little left to intrigue the rest of the way through. Again, an example of over-tell and reveal-too-early.

That being said. It was still pleasant and the premise was ok. I enjoyed it, but wasn't gripped. Some of the special effects were great while others were hokey, and I thought Ford and Labeouf did a great job and had decent chemistry. Blanchett did okay, but was a bit of a miscast. Didn't bother me too much though. All the action scenes were fine. The vine-swinging, ant scene, and sand pit as far as action goes were okay. The waterfalls were excessive, but I suspend disbelief in these movies anyways, so it came across as funny, though didn't contribute to any intensity in the action. And I really liked the obelisk-spilling-sand contraption. I wish there had been more time spent crawling through and deciphering contraptions within the city itself. You know, more archeology.

I do wish that, having been around twenty more years, Indy had come up with some more creative ways of finishing off a fight than by sheer physical strength. I always liked the part in Crusade where Connery flapped his umbrella and got all the birds to crash the airplane. That's the kind of stuff one thinks of only with age. Indy is supposed to be an older man here. Indy, being a little older now, could have pulled out a couple more tricks from his mind rather than just his arms.

It sounds like I'm beating up on the movie, but I still enjoyed the two hours. It didn't make me roll my eyes, and it was much better than many of the comic-book-turn-movies I've seen over the past few years.

Overall, I'd say about a B-.


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After only reading this page, the two real comments here (from mike and dolce) just about sum it all up. Passable, entertaining, and not particularly better or worse than the originals. I liked it enough.


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I both enjoyed it and was disappointed by it.

Yes, for the most part it is a nice fun summer blockbuster, but I can't help but wish it had been directed by a director who is willing to take more chances. Someone who realizes that you can have fun without being so cheesy/lame/silly. Worst of all I was really excited to see Cate Blanchett in it but she turns out to be a far-from-menacing villain.

C+/B-


Um, Indiana Jones is meant to be silly/cheesy

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I both enjoyed it and was disappointed by it.

Yes, for the most part it is a nice fun summer blockbuster, but I can't help but wish it had been directed by a director who is willing to take more chances. Someone who realizes that you can have fun without being so cheesy/lame/silly. Worst of all I was really excited to see Cate Blanchett in it but she turns out to be a far-from-menacing villain.

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Um, Indiana Jones is meant to be silly/cheesy


Yes! and even it's so annoying and unbearable..

we should be fine with that and enjoy the film.. because it's eff-ing Indiana Jones..

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I both enjoyed it and was disappointed by it.

Yes, for the most part it is a nice fun summer blockbuster, but I can't help but wish it had been directed by a director who is willing to take more chances. Someone who realizes that you can have fun without being so cheesy/lame/silly. Worst of all I was really excited to see Cate Blanchett in it but she turns out to be a far-from-menacing villain.

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Um, Indiana Jones is meant to be silly/cheesy


Yeah, that is the style of the series.

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What a fun adventure. Indy is back! Harrison Ford can still pull off the character at 65. Cate Blanchett was a great bad guy in the movie. It was great seeing Karen Allen in the movie and Shia Labeouf can carry this franchise. Plus, it was overall a very neat story put into a neat adventure. #2 in the series for me right behind Raiders.

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