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 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 

What grade would you give this film?
A 32%  32%  [ 23 ]
B 47%  47%  [ 34 ]
C 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
D 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
F 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
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 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 
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Favorite moments/aspects:

-The nuclear blast (it was pointless to the story and stretched my suspension of disbelief to the max, but damn those effects were amazing)
-The space ship rising from the ground (amazing VFX work, and I liked how they weren't afraid to take the franchise in a new direction. Also, adressing the "it doesn't fit in the film's context" issues, it actually did fit, because lots of things previously in the movie were pointing towards aliens being the responsible ones for the Skull)
-Blanchett's over-the-top performance
-The Indy-Mutt relationship
-The jungle sequence (its one of the biggest action sequences ever, from the chase in the cars, to the ants, and finshing with 3 waterfalls, although I do think the waterfall sequence in Anacondas: Hunt for the Blood Orchid was better shot)
-The warehouse scene (perfect reintroduction to the character)
-Nazca being portrayed completely differently as it is in real life (we don't listen to Mexican music and use ponchos in the coast), and seeing the map indicate they were in Cuzco while they were in Nazca (this was very amusing, everyone at my theatre laughed like hell when they saw "Nazca Airport", because there is no Nazca airport)

Least favorite moments/aspects:

-Spalko's death (it would've been better if she exploded into millions of particles ala Xavier in X-Men: The Last Stand, rather than just dissintegrate and float off)
-Ray Winstone's character
-Shia LaBeouf is Tarzan
-Bad CGI monkeys
-The opening scene on the road with the teens (it was pretty pointless)
-Some bad acting from Karen Allen
-Interdimensional beings (big WTF moment, with the portal and "they are in the spaces between the space, I suppose Spielberg/Lucas didn't want them to be just another alien race, but it was unexplained and came off as stupid)

Something that wasn't bad, but kinda unecessary and cliche, was the wedding. It would've been better if they just ended the movie with the group leaving the temple site, they could've included the hat moment there.

Despite some bad parts I still give it an A, it was really really fun.

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Better than the ToD, on the same level as Crusade. The film is a lot of fun. It has a lot of great old nostalgic parts but it also has a lot, of bad parts. The ending for me, was too much. I didn't mind it being over the top but once they showed the you know what, I kinda lost my connection with the movie. Outside of that, the car chase scenes were fun, as was the waterfall thingy. Cate Blanchett made the movie for me, I loved that over the top accent. It was fun but I could have done without the Aliens.


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Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


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Snrub wrote:
Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


That's a property of magnetism.
Magnetic force = (charge on metal) x (velocity) x (magnetic field strength)
So when velocity (speed) is zero, the lamps shouldn't move.


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Snrub wrote:
Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


That's a property of magnetism.
Magnetic force = (charge on metal) x (velocity) x (magnetic field strength)
So when velocity (speed) is zero, the lamps shouldn't move.

They shouldn't move while it's stationary, but surely they should've at least been fixed in the general direction of the alien while it was stationary.

More magnetism craziness: Spalko's rapier clings to the box at the beginning of the film, but during a swordfight, both her and Mutt's swords are seemingly unaffected by the skull's magnetic properties, even going so far as to fling said skull to and fro using their swords.


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Snrub wrote:
snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


That's a property of magnetism.
Magnetic force = (charge on metal) x (velocity) x (magnetic field strength)
So when velocity (speed) is zero, the lamps shouldn't move.

They shouldn't move while it's stationary, but surely they should've at least been fixed in the general direction of the alien while it was stationary.

More magnetism craziness: Spalko's rapier clings to the box at the beginning of the film, but during a swordfight, both her and Mutt's swords are seemingly unaffected by the skull's magnetic properties, even going so far as to fling said skull to and fro using their swords.


Well was it the skull that was so highly magnetized or some other part of the alien's body?


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snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


That's a property of magnetism.
Magnetic force = (charge on metal) x (velocity) x (magnetic field strength)
So when velocity (speed) is zero, the lamps shouldn't move.

They shouldn't move while it's stationary, but surely they should've at least been fixed in the general direction of the alien while it was stationary.

More magnetism craziness: Spalko's rapier clings to the box at the beginning of the film, but during a swordfight, both her and Mutt's swords are seemingly unaffected by the skull's magnetic properties, even going so far as to fling said skull to and fro using their swords.


Well was it the skull that was so highly magnetized or some other part of the alien's body?

It was magnetised when they found it in the graveyard. And other times here and there when the film saw fit.


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I agree, the magnetism rules were applied very loosely, hehe.

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Snrub wrote:
snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


That's a property of magnetism.
Magnetic force = (charge on metal) x (velocity) x (magnetic field strength)
So when velocity (speed) is zero, the lamps shouldn't move.

They shouldn't move while it's stationary, but surely they should've at least been fixed in the general direction of the alien while it was stationary.

More magnetism craziness: Spalko's rapier clings to the box at the beginning of the film, but during a swordfight, both her and Mutt's swords are seemingly unaffected by the skull's magnetic properties, even going so far as to fling said skull to and fro using their swords.


Well was it the skull that was so highly magnetized or some other part of the alien's body?

It was magnetised when they found it in the graveyard. And other times here and there when the film saw fit.


Well they didnt explain it enough, but it only would appear magnetized or to have power when Oxley would uncover it. Thats why the ants were about to attack him before he took off, same with the Indians. Perhaps the skull only did it when it was in the open (And yes, while it was in the tomb, it had been removed before so it's power may have only had a single direct line when say Indy had the coins in front of it.

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I thought the point of the Skull was explained as not being magnetized. Crystall and gold are in fact not magnetized in real life. So the Skull was something else that had things that reflected magnetism.

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Least favorite moments/aspects:

-The opening scene on the road with the teens (it was pretty pointless)


I've criticized the film a lot here, but let me come to its defense in this instance. That opening scene was actually quite elegant and not at all pointless. It basically highlights the vast differences between the American and Soviet way of life in the 50s. Americans = fun loving, human. Commies= soulless automatons. Spielberg knew what he was doing.

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Snrub wrote:
snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
snack wrote:
Snrub wrote:
Saw it for a second time today. I enjoyed the good parts even more (most of the film), but had a few quibbles with certain parts. For example, if the spaceship had been there for thousands of years with all of the aliens fully intact until 500 years ago, why hadn't they taken off long before? Also, why was the obelisk/key fully intact if conquistadors had barged in not so long ago? And how did the conquistadors even manage to get into the alien chamber without a skull to open the door?

The most annoying thing about the film though (apart from Harrison's pronunciation of "nucular") was the skull's seemingly random magnetism. In some scenes it was conveniently magnetic in others, not at all. I particularly liked how at the beginning the crowbars that opened the crate were seemingly unaffected by the magnetic properties of the alien until after they'd pried open the crate. And how the light fixtures only gravitated towards it while it was being moved. They could've saved a fair bit of gun powder by just looking for the light fixtures that were pointing at an odd angle.


That's a property of magnetism.
Magnetic force = (charge on metal) x (velocity) x (magnetic field strength)
So when velocity (speed) is zero, the lamps shouldn't move.

They shouldn't move while it's stationary, but surely they should've at least been fixed in the general direction of the alien while it was stationary.

More magnetism craziness: Spalko's rapier clings to the box at the beginning of the film, but during a swordfight, both her and Mutt's swords are seemingly unaffected by the skull's magnetic properties, even going so far as to fling said skull to and fro using their swords.


Well was it the skull that was so highly magnetized or some other part of the alien's body?

It was magnetised when they found it in the graveyard. And other times here and there when the film saw fit.


Well they didnt explain it enough, but it only would appear magnetized or to have power when Oxley would uncover it. Thats why the ants were about to attack him before he took off, same with the Indians. Perhaps the skull only did it when it was in the open (And yes, while it was in the tomb, it had been removed before so it's power may have only had a single direct line when say Indy had the coins in front of it.

You guys could suck the fun out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon with this level of over-analysis...


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Rogue wrote:
Waker of Winds wrote:


Least favorite moments/aspects:

-The opening scene on the road with the teens (it was pretty pointless)


I've criticized the film a lot here, but let me come to its defense in this instance. That opening scene was actually quite elegant and not at all pointless. It basically highlights the vast differences between the American and Soviet way of life in the 50s. Americans = fun loving, human. Commies= soulless automatons. Spielberg knew what he was doing.



He knew what he was doing? What exactly is he doing?

Do you even know what life in the Soviet Union was like? Exactly how different or similar it was to life in America?

And how fun loving and human was life in the 1950s segregated South? Did Black people feel fully human then? How about all those millions of poor people across America in the 1950s, since then, and before? How fun loving a place has America been to them? How about other marginalized groups?

And if you think all communists are soulless automatons, I feel very sorry for you, you tool. Believe it or not, the people in the Soviet Union were as human and fun loving as Americans have ever been.

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Believe it or not, the people in the Soviet Union were as human and fun loving as Americans have ever been.

Yeah that's right, comrade boxeyevich! Just look at this documentary on their fashion shows...



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Waker of Winds wrote:


Least favorite moments/aspects:

-The opening scene on the road with the teens (it was pretty pointless)


I've criticized the film a lot here, but let me come to its defense in this instance. That opening scene was actually quite elegant and not at all pointless. It basically highlights the vast differences between the American and Soviet way of life in the 50s. Americans = fun loving, human. Commies= soulless automatons. Spielberg knew what he was doing.

Hmm I thought it was to establish something not very right was going on in those cars, as they were being so serious.


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You guys could suck the fun out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon with this level of over-analysis...


:funny: Absolutely.


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Least favorite moments/aspects:

-The opening scene on the road with the teens (it was pretty pointless)


I've criticized the film a lot here, but let me come to its defense in this instance. That opening scene was actually quite elegant and not at all pointless. It basically highlights the vast differences between the American and Soviet way of life in the 50s. Americans = fun loving, human. Commies= soulless automatons. Spielberg knew what he was doing.

Hmm I thought it was to establish something not very right was going on in those cars, as they were being so serious.


He just needed a filler to roll credits over.

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Soviet Union was humane, tell that to the Armenians, East Europeans, Afghani's.....


Box take your commie loving elsewhere...

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box-2004 wrote:
Rogue wrote:
Waker of Winds wrote:


Least favorite moments/aspects:

-The opening scene on the road with the teens (it was pretty pointless)


I've criticized the film a lot here, but let me come to its defense in this instance. That opening scene was actually quite elegant and not at all pointless. It basically highlights the vast differences between the American and Soviet way of life in the 50s. Americans = fun loving, human. Commies= soulless automatons. Spielberg knew what he was doing.



He knew what he was doing? What exactly is he doing?

Do you even know what life in the Soviet Union was like? Exactly how different or similar it was to life in America?

And how fun loving and human was life in the 1950s segregated South? Did Black people feel fully human then? How about all those millions of poor people across America in the 1950s, since then, and before? How fun loving a place has America been to them? How about other marginalized groups?

And if you think all communists are soulless automatons, I feel very sorry for you, you tool. Believe it or not, the people in the Soviet Union were as human and fun loving as Americans have ever been.


I didn't think I needed to qualify my statements, but leave it to people like box to make that necessary.

In the simple world view of the film, the purpose of the scene was to highlight, in broad strokes, the differences between the Soviets and the Americans. Oh, and by Soviets, I mean agents of the government, not your average Russian.

That better?

And don't call me tool. I was born and lived in Cuba so I know more about it than you. I've actually lived under a communist regime and know what that is like. And yeah, people there are just the same, with the same hopes and dreams. Happy now? You actually thought that I believed people outside the good ole U.S. of A were soulless? Some things are understood without having to be said. I don't need a history or social studies lesson from you.

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The text in bold is not a qualification of what you said before, it's an entirely different statement. There's a world of difference between that and the previous comment. You just re-phrased everything in response to my post and made it out to look as if all that was implied in your initial post, which it was not.

Anyway, if you acknowledge the film to offer a simplistic worldview, I find it even more baffling that you would support it.



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Soviet Union was humane, tell that to the Armenians, East Europeans, Afghani's.....


Box take your commie loving elsewhere...



That's ridiculous. I was clearly talking about the people in the Soviet Union, not the political institution itself. I abhor the evils of communism as much as anyone else, and at least as much as I abhor the evils of Western capitalism.

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The text in bold is not a qualification of what you said before, it's an entirely different statement. There's a world of difference between that and the previous comment. You just re-phrased everything in response to my post and made it out to look as if all that was implied in your initial post, which it was not.

Anyway, if you acknowledge the film to offer a simplistic worldview, I find it even more baffling that you would support it.



Bullshit. It isn't an entirely different statement. I was always talking of the world within the film, not real life. I didn't specifically say that, true. But why should I have to? So that oversensitive, know it all college students don't jump down my throat?

Besides, what do you mean by "support it"? Support what? The film? The scene? I'm not sure what you are referring to. Assuming it is the scene in question, I support it because this isn't a documentary. Spielberg assumes, as did I in this thread, that most in the audience would know that things are not black and white in the real world and that it wouldn't be taken so seriously.

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That's ridiculous. I was clearly talking about the people in the Soviet Union, not the political institution itself. I abhor the evils of communism as much as anyone else, and at least as much as I abhor the evils of Western capitalism.



See what happens when someone mischaracterizes you? I can say to you what you just responded to me, which is that you only say that now because you were criticized for your prior post. I don't believe that though.

You overreactead. Just admit it and move on.

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No.

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No.


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And I resent that you dismiss me as an oversensitive college student. If anything, you're not sensitive enough to what films like Indiana Jones imply. Sure, the Indiana Jones films are mindless entertainment (although, of course, they are not entertaining at all, but merely vapid). You're giving Spielberg a pass because you think it's ok to establish a rigid dichotomy between the Soviets and the Americans in imaginative cinema. You have little reason to do that; Spielberg is doing nothing more than feeding off of Cold War propaganda and recycling it as so-called entertainment which you're unapologetically eating up. It's what Hollywood has been doing with its anti-Muslim, Islamophobic messages in recent years, confirming that the Bush administration's propaganda has seeped into liberal Hollywood's productions.

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Post Re: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
box-2004 wrote:
And I resent that you dismiss me as an oversensitive college student. If anything, you're not sensitive enough to what films like Indiana Jones imply. Sure, the Indiana Jones films are mindless entertainment (although, of course, they are not entertaining at all, but merely vapid). You're giving Spielberg a pass because you think it's ok to establish a rigid dichotomy between the Soviets and the Americans in imaginative cinema. You have little reason to do that; Spielberg is doing nothing more than feeding off on Cold War propaganda and recycling it as so-called entertainment which you're unapologetically eating up. It's what Hollywood has been doing with its anti-Muslim, Islamophobic messages in recent years, confirming that the Bush administration's propaganda has seeped into liberal Hollywood's productions.



Please, dont talk crap like that without seeing the film, he was not showing Russian Citizens as bad guys, just the Goverment, and here is another thing, he showed The U.S goverment people in a negative light aswell in the film.


Tue May 27, 2008 1:43 pm
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