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 Saw IV 

What grade would you give this film?
A 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
B 56%  56%  [ 10 ]
C 17%  17%  [ 3 ]
D 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
F 17%  17%  [ 3 ]
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Wrote this awhile ago, just now getting to posting it...

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The latest abortion in the mystifyingly popular Saw franchise continues to perpetuate the notion that filmmaker Darren Lynn Bousman is indeed actively pursuing the title of worst working director in movies today. A nauseating color palette mixes with headache inducing editing and incomprehensible, meaningless camera work to form that rare kind of movie going experience where you actually try to force the end of the film through Carrie-style telekinetic power. Every character is interchangeable, every set piece is indecipherable. If you can make out over 50% of what is occurring in this movie, you are already doing better than me. Filled with more pretentious moral posturing than your average Paul Haggis flick, the creators ask us to "feel what Jigsaw feels" (his misanthropic world view apparently something to be envious of). One more jarring smash cut into a puke-green lit room would have accomplished just that. What started as an interesting, semi-skillfully made independent horror movie with a tremendous twist ending has degenerated into an amateurish studio cash cow of a franchise that perfectly embodies the reasons horror films are so often shat on. They are cranked out and processed just like the meat patties at your local McDonalds, and they offer about an equal amount of substance. Truly the term fast food horror has never been more apt.


The downward spiral this franchise has taken is truly stunning. My grades for each of the films would be something like this...

Saw - B+/A-
Saw II - C+/B-
Saw III - D-/D
Saw IV - F

Pretty incredible.


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My ratings:

Saw - 3/10
Saw II - 2/10
Saw III - 1.5/10
Saw IV - 1/10

Looks like the franchise is indeed in a downward spiral, going from shit quality to bloodstained diarrhea quality. However, I think my score for the first one has to be reduced to 2/10 by now, which slightly alters that pattern.

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I thought it was pretty dull and also quite confusing. I still don't know who the guy behind it was. He didn't look at all like anyone I've ever seen before. Then again, I haven't seen Saw II since it came out on DVD and the same with Saw III. But it was dull and I didn't care about any of the characters. It could have been a lot better.

5/10 ( C )


Will you see Saw V? I was disappointed with this film too yet I will definitely see the next one in the hope that it improves and is more like the first three.


I will, in hopes of it being much better than this one. I honestly think they need a new writer/director to take the series in another direction because this just ain't working for it.

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Munkatouille wrote:
I think Joe hunts down Ripper just to be an asshole.


So far I am not impressed, you're at least memorable, Joe could get hit by a bus and I would not notice.

I think Joe needs some quality time with toss salad man would help him learn what an asshole really is.


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Ripper wrote:
Munkatouille wrote:
I think Joe hunts down Ripper just to be an asshole.


So far I am not impressed, you're at least memorable, Joe could get hit by a bus and I would not notice.

I think Joe needs some quality time with toss salad man would help him learn what an asshole really is.


You're the only asshole here, wishing someone to die and all that which is just sick and evil.


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Joe wrote:
Ripper wrote:
Munkatouille wrote:
I think Joe hunts down Ripper just to be an asshole.


So far I am not impressed, you're at least memorable, Joe could get hit by a bus and I would not notice.

I think Joe needs some quality time with toss salad man would help him learn what an asshole really is.


You're the only asshole here, wishing someone to die and all that which is just sick and evil.


Not to really chime in here, but I've never heard anyone call a girl an asshole, I found that funny as hell as the female version of asshole would be bitch, or is that just a Northeast thing?

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I really wasnt disappointed because i didnt expect anything good from the movie. I enjoyde it quite a lot but it was just all over the place and a bit confusing. I say this is pretty much the worst of the series.

Saw- A-
Saw II- B+
Saw III- A
Saw IV- B-


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Ehh. I don't know. This felt like a fairly big waste to me. I loved Saw and Saw II, and I probably loved Saw III, but it isn't as memorable for me as the first two (the only part I really remember is the ending, which where the series should've ended). This felt like a reboot to the series, except reboots usually come quite a few years later. This is just one year later.

The movie on its own isn't bad, but when you put it next to the others, it just comes off as repetitive. Watching the reveal of the twist was just a rehashing of Saw II's twist. It was nice to see a few characters back in Saw IV, and the "games" are good. But... I really wish there was a good way to describe my feelings, other than severely disappointed.

In my opinion, this entire movie should have been cut down to ten minutes. That ten-minute movie should have been included on the Saw III DVD as a mini-movie that connects III and IV. Kind of like the little Season Prequels that 24 does on each of its DVDs. Whoever said this was just a big lead-in to Saw V would be correct. That's all IV really is, when you boil it down.

Saw: A+
Saw II: A
Saw III: A-/B+
Saw IV: C+

Saw has let me down. :( At this point, the only thing that could make me love the franchise again would be Jigsaw and Amanda still being alive. If I can't have that, then I'll just have to settle on a great trilogy.

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Yeah, the worst Saw so far. The traps are becoming repetitive (but still very gory), the twists predictable, and the characters boring. And whoever said Saw IV is a 90-minute lead-in to Saw V is spot on. Basically, the filmmakers were buying themselves some time to figure out how to replace Jigsaw.

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The most expensive act of procrastination in history.

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SAW 4 - 5/10 ( C )

This is getting old. Not to mention this one goes a bit overboard on the flashbacks.


The first is probably the worst, and then this one. The second was very good and the third great. For awhile each one was better than the previous, but that stops with this one.


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I agree with the downwards-spiral mentioning here. I love the first Saw movie and the first sequel was surprisingly awesome, but Saw II was already a letdown and Saw IV is a tad worse than Saw III too. I mean, I still liked it for what it is. It provided its share of tense moments, ridiculously violent traps and a storyline that is sometimes interesting to follow (only sometimes in this installment, though).

All the continuity-argument aside, it seems to me that at this point in the series the gore occurs just for the gore's sake. In the first film it at least kinda brought the storyline along. In this one, the autopsy in the beginning of the film was simply shown in its fully detailed glory just to disgust the viewer. It was really the sole purpose of this otherwise unnecessarily long scene. Another thing is that the twists in the film exist only for the twists-sake. Yeah, they might fit with the previous installment,m but the fact they are going in that direction just seems so left-field that it makes it rather uninteresting.

I think the series made a big mistake in killing off Jigsaw. Then again, I think I should say they made a mistake making him terminally ill in first place because all the flashback business and all the backhistory simply isn't the same as having him actually directly involved in the happenings. It's only a matter of time they'll run out of his traps and stuff he brought together and leave all of that to some successor like Hoffman who pretty much comes out of nowhere.

Someone here said that Saw IV is a 90+ minutes long lead-up to Saw V and I agree with that, but that's not the way it should be. A somewhat coherent film it is, but it really provides very few answers at the end of the film.

That said, I think Hoffman is actually okay to take over the Jigsaw part...he's just not, well, Jigsaw. Tobin Bell created one of the best and most memorable horror movie villains in the recent years and whoever takes over will simply pale in comparison. For all the movie's flaws however, I thought it did its job as far as the intensity, the blood 'n gore and some of the creativity goes. The glory days of the Saw franchise are long over, though.


My ranking:

1. Saw - A
2. Saw II - A-
3. Saw III - B
4. Saw IV - B-

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Totally incomprehensible and impossible to figure out. The timeline-jumping didn't shock me, it just threw me off and made me completely confused as to what was going on. And the villain reveal... who cares? Who is that guy, anyway? A throwaway character from Saw III?

About all it has going for it are the Jigsaw flashbacks, and even those aren't pulled off very well. Killing him was just about the worst thing this franchise could've done.

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Killing him was just about the worst thing this franchise could've done.


Well, the character was set up with an inoperable brain tumor. He was going to have to die eventually or else people would complain about that too.


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An incredibly flawed horror film that is the least entertaining of the series so far. The story is quite convulted and predictable, and the way it wrapped up the storyline left open in the third film was ridiculous. I also didn't like the way that the story was told - with flashbacks and flashbacks within flashbacks making up the bulk of the film. That being said, there were a few inventive death sequences - but that doesn't make up for the lack of scares and the underdeveloped characters that you feel nothing for. I wasn't a huge fan of the first film aside from the awesome ending, but the second and third films were both very solid. The way the film sets up for another installment suggests that the films will continue to be made with this storyline in mind - and that is not a good thing. This is yet another horror disappointment in one of the worst years for the genre in recent memory.

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I remember nothing about this film at all. NOTHING.


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The latest abortion in the mystifyingly popular Saw franchise continues to perpetuate the notion that filmmaker Darren Lynn Bousman is indeed actively pursuing the title of worst working director in movies today. A nauseating color palette mixes with headache inducing editing and incomprehensible, meaningless camera work to form that rare kind of movie going experience where you actually try to force the end of the film through Carrie-style telekinetic power. Every character is interchangeable, every set piece is indecipherable. If you can make out over 50% of what is occurring in this movie, you are already doing better than me. Filled with more pretentious moral posturing than your average Paul Haggis flick, the creators ask us to “feel what Jigsaw feels” (his misanthropic world view apparently something to be envious of). One more jarring smash cut into a puke-green lit room would have accomplished just that. What started as an interesting, semi-skillfully made independent horror movie with a tremendous twist ending has degenerated into an amateurish studio cash cow of a franchise that perfectly embodies the reasons horror films are so often shat on. They are cranked out and processed just like the meat patties at your local McDonalds, and they offer about an equal amount of substance. Truly the term fast food horror has never been more apt.


And I still have absolutely no idea what happened in it.


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