The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the...
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the...
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Harry Warden
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neostorm wrote: Joe wrote: Hoban Washburne wrote: i also didnt like how everyone who died was resurrected or whatever, it took any meaning and purpose away from their deaths. i was just sitting there and i was like "so at the end everyones going to be fine then", and i didnt read the books. This is a rather obvious reference to the "breath of life" idea from the Christian Bible. God i'm embarassed that this work is equated with christianity. Though there are tons of things that feel christian, this movie steals more from the traditional hero journey cycle than xtianity. (IMO) All heros lose their mentors who later return. (ie gandalf) Sure the main character's ame is Peter, but so is Spiderman's and no one said anything then.
Son of Adam and daughters of Eve and more. C.S. Lewis was known to be a devout Christian so I don't think it's all a coincidence.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:54 pm |
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I work as an editor for Baba, so I often see these reviews prior to the film's release.
I'm stunned he gave it an A. Just stunned.
I expected one thing based on his rave for the White Witch and ended up seeing a joke on screen instead.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:56 pm |
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Neostorm
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Joe wrote: neostorm wrote: Joe wrote: Hoban Washburne wrote: i also didnt like how everyone who died was resurrected or whatever, it took any meaning and purpose away from their deaths. i was just sitting there and i was like "so at the end everyones going to be fine then", and i didnt read the books. This is a rather obvious reference to the "breath of life" idea from the Christian Bible. God i'm embarassed that this work is equated with christianity. Though there are tons of things that feel christian, this movie steals more from the traditional hero journey cycle than xtianity. (IMO) All heros lose their mentors who later return. (ie gandalf) Sure the main character's ame is Peter, but so is Spiderman's and no one said anything then. Son of Adam and daughters of Eve and more. C.S. Lewis was known to be a devout Christian so I don't think it's all a coincidence.
So it can be jewish. I noticed the christian undertones, all i'm saying is that hte movie to me looked like it followed more "hero journey" guidelines rather than christian ones.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:00 pm |
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dolcevita
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neostorm wrote: Joe wrote:
Son of Adam and daughters of Eve and more. C.S. Lewis was known to be a devout Christian so I don't think it's all a coincidence.
So it can be jewish. I noticed the christian undertones, all i'm saying is that hte movie to me looked like it followed more "hero journey" guidelines rather than christian ones.
No it can't. We're not allowed to depict human imagery when referring to God. Certainly its been invoked, but never that direct. And its pretty common knowledge that Aslan is resurrected, that the stone table (that cracks) is like the stone tablets, and so forth. I never had all that big an issue with it in the book, and chances are it wasn't all that heightened in the movie. Its the pretty common story of corruption through earthly comforts (Turkish Delight? You'll rule the land), the first coming, miraculous feats of redemption, unbreakable rules, and the women stay behind to mourn the fallen leader even after everyone else leaves.
Just sounds to me like the direction was not focussed, and proper building of suspense fell a distant second to bright shiny objects and big bangs.
I remember loving the cartoon version, by the way. Had it taped off the tv and watched it dozens of times when I was young.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:10 pm |
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andaroo1
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Joe wrote: Hoban Washburne wrote: i also didnt like how everyone who died was resurrected or whatever, it took any meaning and purpose away from their deaths. i was just sitting there and i was like "so at the end everyones going to be fine then", and i didnt read the books. This is a rather obvious reference to the "breath of life" idea from the Christian Bible.
Very true, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut that doesn't necessarily build the proper dramatic tension.
It was true to the book, it works well in the book, just not in the movie. The "awe" of Aslan didn't quite translate.
That's the adaptation challenge (one of them) that I though the movie didn't meet.
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:16 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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andaroo wrote: Joe wrote: Hoban Washburne wrote: i also didnt like how everyone who died was resurrected or whatever, it took any meaning and purpose away from their deaths. i was just sitting there and i was like "so at the end everyones going to be fine then", and i didnt read the books. This is a rather obvious reference to the "breath of life" idea from the Christian Bible. The "awe" of Aslan didn't quite translate.
That is EXACTLY what is my main complaint about the adaptation. You just never get the feeling of how almighty and powerful Aslan is. I mean in the book they can play well with thoughts (like when Edmund hears the name Aslan for the first time, he'll full of fear and disgust while the others are filled with joy and happiness), but it can't be done in the movie obviously. They did not find the right way to translate Aslan to the big screen.
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:52 am |
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Mister Ecks
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Hmm... what to do... what to say... I have no goddamn clue! On one hand, it's got some great FX. On the other hand, there's too much CGI mixed with live-action, and I hate CGI characters mixed into live-action. It rarely works, and it's no exception here. It doesn't matter if Aslan looked real or not, Aslan didn't feel like he belonged in the settings most times. And talking animals never cuts it for me.
The kids are not good at all. I was cringing everytime the little one was on screen. When she and her sister discovered Tumnus, she looked like she was going to start laughing, instead of crying.
The film just doesn't really cut it for me. I enjoyed some parts, and hated other parts. One minute, I think it deserved a B/B+. The next minute, I'm leaning towards C/C-. The reviews here don't help, since it's the same. As, Cs, and a D+ from neo. I can't possibly grade this movie right now, without letting it sink in. I so wanted to like it, and I don't think I did. But... maybe I did... Final grade later.
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:04 pm |
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choubachou
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C. It was very well done, but unfortunately it is a very family-targeted movie. I couldn't care about the characters. I'd have loved it if I was 10, though.
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Mister Ecks
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choubachou wrote: C. It was very well done, but unfortunately it is a very family-targeted movie. I couldn't care about the characters. I'd have loved it if I was 10, though.
Exactly. It's very well-done, but the aspects of the film that I'm supposed to enjoy... I don't care at all about. Didn't like the kids, didn't really care about Narnia, didn't feel sad when I should have. The list goes on. Kids will love it.
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Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:20 pm |
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Riggs
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Very average movie. In no way as good as HP or LOTR. It's way too childish, the battle at the end is a joke. But I liked Swintons performances, she was the best about Narnia. The kids were ok, but most of the time annoying. C
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:29 am |
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Dkmuto
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I thought it captured the old fashioned tone of the book quite well. It also did a great job creating epic scenery and scope, which I actually wasn't anticipating.
But really, the kids just didn't do it for me. I remember child protagonists fighting in a full scale war to be quite awesome when I was 10 and reading the book, but I think that works a lot better on paper than it does on screen. The final battle should feel crucial, but instead it just feels like the filmmakers are reaching too far to appease the kids in the audience.
There's also a bout of cringe-worthy dialogue or acting every 5 to 10 minutes.
Can't say I didn't enjoy it, though. I don't know, B? B-?
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:41 pm |
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movies35
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One of the best fantasy films of the year, surprised the hell outta me because I thought it looked like a boring piece of shit.
8/10 (B+)
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:47 pm |
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Ripper
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I enjoyed it, it hsa alot of problems which were highlighted in this film, but ultimately I think the girl playing Lucy was really good and she did draw me into the story. She and Edmund were the best amoung the children, Lucy manged to be cute without me wanting to kick her.
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:27 pm |
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insomniacdude
I just lost the game
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I have to say, I fell in love with the Professor the moment I saw him. Totally not what I imagined, seems far too crazy (reminded me of Will Ferrell, haha). The movie gets an A+ just for him.
But seriously, great movie. Not fantastic (unfortunately). The beginning dragged. The kids where overall good. Better than the potter kids when they started. Great visuals...incredibly stunning. Aslan was...great, I guess. He didn't have the wow factor he should have had, but he still looked great. I aven't been this impressed with a score since Fellowship of the Ring. I've been jamming out to it all week.
A- overall.
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Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:46 am |
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iluvjuanki
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One more disappointment in a very disappointing year.
C
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:37 pm |
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yearsago
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
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It was a fun and fantastic fable.
I had a good time with this movie..sure the CGI might not have been top notch..but I didnt really care
It also wasnt really realistic..how these little kids suddenly grew the balls to slay monsters, Is beyond me..but it was fun movie.
Grade: B
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:35 am |
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Libs
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Zingy, this should probably remain stickied. While it's in its third week, I think there is still enough interest to warrant a sticky.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:05 am |
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xiayun
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It's me who unstickied it.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:10 pm |
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jb007
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Narnia is a decent fantasy epic. The kids are good, especially the one that plays Lucy. Further, no boring drawn out sequences is a big plus.
B+
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Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:57 am |
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insomniacdude
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The seocnd time I went to go see it, I was expecting to be a bit more harsh on the movie and especially rhe kids. I had thought maybe I hadn't noticed any cringe-worthy acting form the kids the first time around because it was my first time and I was actually freaking seeing Narnia. I was proven wrong. I dont know how the producers did it, but they found greta kids for all four of the parts.
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Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:46 am |
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Shack
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B+
Purely, one of the lightest and most enjoyable flicks of the year. I was wayyy surprised at how much I ended up liking it. They lacked a bit in development of the story, which lowered it's grade a bit. Still, I still had a such great time watching it. The movie was very well executed, it kept you entertained without dragging for the entire show. The CGI on the animals was good, though not amazing. HP, WOTW, and King Kong(I expect) did much better jobs on theirs. The setting/backdrop was fantastic though, from when Lucy enters Narnia, to the Ice Castle, to the giant field at the end battle, etc. I actually liked the kid actors, they were charming. I thought the girl who played Susan was the standout, while Peter Edmund and Lucy were all good as well. Aslan as said above wasn't as powerful as he should've been, while the White Witch wasn't really terrifying(though she was an excellent character regardless.) But while those were great, the best performance had to come from Thomoson the Fawn. The guy who plays him absolutely nailed it, he was completley inside that persona. I thought there were other cool supporting characters that helped as well, such as the Beavers and the The Rock/Dwayne Johnson-ish Centaur. Also, all the minotaurs and griffins in the battle were magfinicantly done. One of my favorite parts of the movie was near the end, when we got to see the 4 kid's all grown up. I thought that gave it a nice touch, and a charming way to let the movie go.
Overall, Narnia isn't a classic by any means. It's story work just isn't there. But I can tell why it's becoming so damn succesful, and why it's beating Kong. This is precisly the kind of movie that everyone wants to see, it's the perfect recipe for big-time $. No other film this year has delivered on that game-plan quite like Narnia has, it really does deserve every penny that it can collect.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Narnia: It's A Miracle!!!
Let me preface my review of Narnia by saying, I read and didn't enjoy the books, and I am an outright opponent of all the bad deeds done in the name of christianity, lo these past two millenia.
That being said, I love this movie Narnia!
Now this is the epic fantasy movie I have been waiting to see. I have waded through the mire of the aborted adaptations of The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, but have finally reached the cool, clear, deep water of Narnia. It is fantastic!
The acting was outstanding - I will forevermore follow the career of Georgie Henley, who played Lucy, the youngest sister, just as I have that of actors like Christina Ricci and Jodie Foster. The other kids were great, and of course, the incomparable Tilda Swinton here continues her assault upon the throne of Meryl Streep.
The special effects were used to excellent effect here, unlike the other FX heavy movie out now (I will not sully this post by mentioning it by name) - the animal characters were awesome and believable. The world of Narnia itself was palpable and real.
And, even for me, a non-believer, the christ story was extremely well told here, truer to my reading of the bible, than that demonstrated by most of the so-called church christians I run into. The supremely karmatic words of Jesus are indeed told true in this cinematic telling of the tale.
90 minutes to go in 2005, and Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe vaults onto my top ten list for the year...
All hail Narnia!
6 out of 5.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:44 pm |
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matatonio
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Holy crap! Simply fantastic im very surprised i liked it so much
THe kids did a very nice job, the CGI was great.
I saw it dubbed in spanish so the talking animals didnt do so great, ill prolly see it again in English
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:14 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Hey! How come the Narnia thread is unstickied again? It's leading the box office!
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:38 am |
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MGKC
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Everything seemed to flow together so nicely. All the scenes fit perfectly (except the odd Narnia lullaby scene). The characters were all very likable. Deep Roy as the Queen's minion was fantastic. The visuals were stunning, and nothing seemed like green screen. The ending battle was amazing, as was all of the animal CGI. Top of the line.
Grade: B+
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