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Is this film strong in the Force?
A 52%  52%  [ 14 ]
B 30%  30%  [ 8 ]
C 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
D 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
F 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
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 Star Wars: The Last Jedi 
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Why would snoke be back? Certainly not to help the guy who back stabbed him.


I would love to know that too lol. I doubt he'd be pleased with Kylo's betrayal, especially when he was suppose to kill Rey and they were obviously working together to kill him.


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Disney finally made an amazing Star Wars film. It’s not perfect, but most of it’s flaws remain from the painfully derivative TFA. With that weak setup film to build off of, they did a marvelous job. I really enjoyed pretty much every plot line; even Finn and Rose I don’t know what there is to be said that hasn’t been said. Way more excited for Episode IX than I was before I saw this. All the actors were amazing, so many great moments both story wise and visually. I especially loved Laura Derns characters sacrifice. And I was shocked at the Luke/Kylo showdown at the end.

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my only issue with Luke dying is moreso in the execution than the actual act. Yoda and Obi-Wan had much better death scenes. Both of those characters had realized they had reached the end of what they were meant to do and accepted the finality. With Luke, we don't really get that same level of impact. Both Obi-Wan and Yoda die with Luke watching and that's a big deal as they pass down a final lesson to him in their death. Luke on the other hand will give his final lesson to Rey as a ghost.

Luke however, never passes on anything to Rey in the end. In fact, Rey doesn't even really see the projection trick he does. It's really not that well executed of a death compared to Obi-Wan or Yoda.


Yep not that well executed at all. Yoda and Obi-Wan were way more effective, and while I liked his final scene with Kylo I got no emotion from it. Btw it was pretty damn cool seeing Yoda back in puppet form too even as a Force Ghost. I really enjoyed that scene and am so glad that it wasn't spoiled for me, because it was a truly an unexpected surprise.


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nghtvsn wrote:
Why would snoke be back? Certainly not to help the guy who back stabbed him.


I would love to know that too lol. I doubt he'd be pleased with Kylo's betrayal, especially when he was suppose to kill Rey and they were obviously working together to kill him.


He’s not coming back. I said I wouldn’t be surprised, but there’s no reason for him to, which I don’t really mind because the most interesting thing about him to me was the CGI hairs on his face.

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my only issue with Luke dying is moreso in the execution than the actual act. Yoda and Obi-Wan had much better death scenes. Both of those characters had realized they had reached the end of what they were meant to do and accepted the finality. With Luke, we don't really get that same level of impact. Both Obi-Wan and Yoda die with Luke watching and that's a big deal as they pass down a final lesson to him in their death. Luke on the other hand will give his final lesson to Rey as a ghost.

Luke however, never passes on anything to Rey in the end.In fact, Rey doesn't even really see the projection trick he does. It's really not that well executed of a death compared to Obi-Wan or Yoda.


Just what the force is and how the Jedi were vain, which is about the same amount as Obi-Wan passes down to Luke in their day or two together, minus the vanity.

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After Luke says "See you around, kid", I totally thought that the film would end with Luke leaving to physically join the resistance, with an epic pump up ending, maybe a foreboding moment with Red who realizes the games changed.

Him vanishing was ultra random unneeded. Hopefully 9 just ignores this or makes up a new rule for Luke. :thumbsup:

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Because a blue glow will upset you. His vanishing is also completely necessary because that event turns him into a legend again. That’s the whole point of the last scene with the kids, so they’ll be inspired to join the resistance. That seems weird in a Disney film, inspiring kids to enlist, but I don’t think that was Johnson’s intent.

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You guys are missing the energy angle. Luke simply lost his energy. Yoda burned down the temple in this film. Meaning he can still do things. I would love to see in the final film what the ghosts are doing. Luke will definitely be back.


Also I don't remember the gold dice? Was that a thing from the OT

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They were apparently in A New Hope. I just rewatched it and don’t remember them at all.

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I'm starting to feel this should have been 8 and 9 fleshed into 2 films.

It's one of those things where this is a long film, but so many scenes feel abrupt. Like if they fleshed Snoke out more, a little more on the Island and Luke, and bam you have a 2 hour awesome movie, ending with Rey going to the ship.

3rd film is on the ship and Luke coming back. Not to mention Rey and Finn were on the same ship in this movie, and they just randomly are at the resistance in the end scene.

I still don't get Kylo Ren.

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Because a blue glow will upset you. His vanishing is also completely necessary because that event turns him into a legend again. That’s the whole point of the last scene with the kids, so they’ll be inspired to join the resistance. That seems weird in a Disney film, inspiring kids to enlist, but I don’t think that was Johnson’s intent.


That was so cheesy IMO. That whole sub plot with those damn Space Horses felt like something straight out of the prequels or even a Harry Potter movie, but not Star Wars.


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Yeah, hands down the worst ending to a SW film.

We get the idea of it, its just not a good one.

Also No one said "I got a bad feeling about this" or screamed No! I think those are SW firsts.

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Because a blue glow will upset you. His vanishing is also completely necessary because that event turns him into a legend again. That’s the whole point of the last scene with the kids, so they’ll be inspired to join the resistance. That seems weird in a Disney film, inspiring kids to enlist, but I don’t think that was Johnson’s intent.


That was so cheesy IMO. That whole sub plot with those damn Space Horses felt like something straight out of the prequels or even a Harry Potter movie, but not Star Wars.


So...Star Wars?

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Because a blue glow will upset you. His vanishing is also completely necessary because that event turns him into a legend again. That’s the whole point of the last scene with the kids, so they’ll be inspired to join the resistance. That seems weird in a Disney film, inspiring kids to enlist, but I don’t think that was Johnson’s intent.


That was so cheesy IMO. That whole sub plot with those damn Space Horses felt like something straight out of the prequels or even a Harry Potter movie, but not Star Wars.


So...Star Wars?


Yeah I worded that badly lol, but what I meant is that it reminded me of some the worse aspects of the prequels. Definitely more Harry Potter than Star Wars though.


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I'm starting to feel this should have been 8 and 9 fleshed into 2 films.

It's one of those things where this is a long film, but so many scenes feel abrupt. Like if they fleshed Snoke out more, a little more on the Island and Luke, and bam you have a 2 hour awesome movie, ending with Rey going to the ship.


That’s not an awesome movie. That’s one half of a middle chapter.

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3rd film is on the ship and Luke coming back. Not to mention Rey and Finn were on the same ship in this movie, and they just randomly are at the resistance in the end scene.


The resistance is down to ten people. If you included Luke, that’s 11. Leia and Luke are powerful. They’re not that powerful. And you can’t do that ending considering Fisher is dead.

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I still don't get Kylo Ren.


He’s his grandfather, just better conveyed. Greedy, selfish, angry children.

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Yeah, hands down the worst ending to a SW film.

We get the idea of it, its just not a good one.

Also No one said "I got a bad feeling about this" or screamed No! I think those are SW firsts.


Apparently BB8 says it in beep boop format. So ridiculous.

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Because a blue glow will upset you. His vanishing is also completely necessary because that event turns him into a legend again. That’s the whole point of the last scene with the kids, so they’ll be inspired to join the resistance. That seems weird in a Disney film, inspiring kids to enlist, but I don’t think that was Johnson’s intent.


That was so cheesy IMO. That whole sub plot with those damn Space Horses felt like something straight out of the prequels or even a Harry Potter movie, but not Star Wars.


So...Star Wars?


Yeah I worded that badly lol, but what I meant is that it reminded me of some the worse aspects of the prequels. Definitely more Harry Potter than Star Wars though.


Yeah, I’ll admit it’s my least favorite part of the film. I think it’s...fine. I liked the design of the casino and the creatures. I like it more in hindisght though because I like the inspirational ending.

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You're wrong on all points.

The resistance is more than 10.

Well he liked his father and killed his leader and killed him to appease his leader

This movie is a potluck of holes.

And no Kylo Ren at best is Christensen at the end of 3. They almost said the same line. "We can rule the galaxy together"

This is a movie where there were 10 questions that could have been addressed, and they answered none!

This isn't Star Wars. Was there a single question even from the prequels from film to film you needed answering? Certainly not the OT except what happens to Han, and it is immediately addressed in Return.

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You're wrong on all points.

The resistance is more than 10.


They’re all on the Falcon at the end. How many people does it hold?

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Well he liked his father and killed his leader and killed him to appease his leader


Okay? If you truly like your father and aren’t a selfish greedy asshole, you don’t kill him.

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This movie is a potluck of holes.


Like that last sentence.

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And no Kylo Ren at best is Christensen at the end of 3. They almost said the same line. "We can rule the galaxy together"


I literally just wrote, “He’s his grandfather, just better conveyed. Greedy, selfish, angry children.”

I’m wrong, but you agree. We’re wrong I guess?

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This is a movie where there were 10 questions that could have been addressed, and they answered none!


The two big ones were:

Who is Snoke? This film’s answer? Who cares? He’s irrelevant.

Who are Rey’s parents? Answer: Nobodies.

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This isn't Star Wars. Was there a single question even from the prequels from film to film you needed answering? Certainly not the OT except what happens to Han, and it is immediately addressed in Return.


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From what I can decipher, you seem to be mad that J.J. Abrams set up a mystery box and Rian Johnson didn’t play in it. Maybe not every question has to be answered (even though this movie answers most of them).

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Luke’s death was awesome because Kylo didn’t know it happened. That is Luke’s greatest trick of all. He got to die peacefully, knowing his enemy will continue wasting precious time and resources trying to kill him. And most importantly he “will certainly not be the last jedi.”


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Ha! BB-8 said the iconic line ‘I have a bad feeling about this’

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They spent two years hypothesizing only to realize it was pointless.

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They spent two years hypothesizing only to realize it was pointless.


That's definitely a part of it, but just like Rey they built him up so much in the last movie as the ultimate threat and he gets treated like a chump in this movie. I mean maybe if they didn't emphasize the whole mystery and intrigue surrounding both characters which is what JJ Abrams did do in TFA than maybe people wouldn't have been so bothered by it. Honestly, it feels as if Rian Johnson just didn't want anything to do with what JJ set-up, and they allowed him to do his own thing which can definitely be a problem when your trying to plan or tell a cohesive trilogy.


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