What a surprise Algren, how many weeks ago did you write that?

Arnold has been unanimously praised in the film.

Arnold is just a parody of himself in this.

I really loathe how films just start these days with no opening sequence. In my opinion, the opening sequence in Terminator 2: Judgement Day is really important for setting the film up. The use of music there is special, and very memorable. Genisys just looks cheap in comparison. Straight into the action without any build up or care. Fucking lazy film-making. I am appalled at all who have praised this utter garbage.

Let the rage out. Let it flow.

In a way, I understand people's problems with this film. Arnold's smiling mugshot set to the Cops theme is AWFUL if regarded beside what James Cameron achieved with the first two films, but I entered a head space where I could roll with it and enjoy Arnold goofing around. And there are moments in which the action is so physics-defying and reliant on computer-generated wizardry (so "cool"), one almost forgets the characters are meant to be in peril.

In other ways, I firmly believe this is a damn fine Terminator sequel. To me, John Connor becoming a half-man-half-machine antagonist is a neat twist and well-realized by Jason Clarke. It is only an insult to Terminator continuity if we recognize the Terminator franchise as having any type of canonical continuity in the first place amidst its sea of time-travel paradoxes, recast roles, etc.

I love Emilia Clarke and Arnold's improbable father/daughter chemistry. And the film does a nice job re-creating and then twisting/amplifying beats from the first film.

Maybe I should put it this way: quasi-successful/quasi-questionable as a Terminator movie, very satisfying as an escapist summer romp in 2015. For me. On a primal level, I enjoyed watching this more than Avengers: Age of Ultron or Ant-Man or the godawful Jurassic World.

That might be the worst thing in the history of cinema.

Moments which you criticise the Fast franchise for, but love it in Genisys. Where's the consistency?

I don't need to be consistent. Film watching can ebb and flow and be contradictory; it is not concrete mathematics.

Although re: the Furious films, my complaint stems from the fact they are car movies, a sub-genre where I strongly desire a real relationship between the camera, a car, and a stunt driver. To me, Terminator is a much more friendly space for over-the-top F/X, even if Genisys pushes a bit too far at points. There is a scene, for example, where I wish they just filmed a helicopter flying away from a building rather than rendering a digital helicopter doing this crazy type of nosedive and then soaring.

You've gutted me with your love of this film.

You're right.



And that makes perfect sense.

Read this online: "Remember all of your favorite moments from these first three movies? Terminator: Genisys put all of those in a blender and hit “frappe.” Thanks, Genisys. Thanks."

Had to laugh, and it's also spot on.

Yep. I hate it even more with each passing day. And that hate is manifesting itself as hate for anyone that loves it, most notably Arnold. Oh, this film is just killing me inside.

Also what just popped in my mind, as a horrible, horrible, horrible scene, when they (Jai and Emilia) are "testing" John Conner...is it really him...a few super lame things, ow yeah, that's my son, yeah that' my bro...only to be crossed a bit later anyway...which everyone who saw the trailer knew anyway..ugh..just ugh.

And of course John didn't kill them as soon as he found them, because he had to tell them what his plan was first, so Arnie had enough time to come in and save they day...that's stupid in every film, and Genisys didn't even try to avoid those pitfalls...aaaaahhhh

While I understand, it seems a mite unfair to judge a film because the studio cut a trailer with spoilers. But perhaps it is impossible to not do so. An odd dynamic. John Connor's presence in the past and the reveal of his antagonistic transformation might be a lot cooler if viewers were unaware of it going in, even if they ultimately are still not a fan of the decision.

There is no excusing the Bond-villain-delayed-action pitfall other than to say it is a timeless trope.

Haha it's true, stuffp. Total lame shit. And how the fuck does Sarah Connor, this supposedly hard-faced soldier that doesn't trust anything robotic, trust a man that she has never seen before just because of a few things he said (that any advanced machine, from the future no less, could acquire). She seems pretty happy to trust him. She hasn't even given birth to her son at that point and she trusts him as if she's known him for years. It's more understandable that Kyle trusts him because they have fought together for years.

And talking loads before anything happens (explaining your grand plan) is just TV-level screenwriting, which none of the earlier Terminator movies had, which again highlights the depths that this franchise has plummeted to.

Not even T3, eh?

It is bad, but it's not villain-explaining-their-grand-plan-and-letting-the-hero-escape bad.

That's the biggest problem with any Terminator sequel. It'll never be T2. Some people won't forget, while others will embrace. T3 on its own merits is a great action film, just not T2. T4 is an awful film that tried to reinvent and just failed. T5 is a slight film that achieves in it. The Stigma of the first two totally kill it.

I think the series biggest flaw is how technologically we've become. Who wouldn't want a computer or cell phone in their head these day. Skynets motives of humans not accepting machines is not real anymore. Skynets motivation in general is a relic. They should have developed that ideA. Even T4 had s machine give him a fake heart.

The fear of the first two films frankly doesn't exist any more when everyone wants a fake body that'll make them keep on living. We embrace the future of machines helping us

Hmm, not sure I agree. I don't want T2. I know that it is impossible to make another T2-level Terminator movie. I just want a Terminator movie where the Terminator is not a complete fucking joke, and where the actors are taking it seriously, not just taking the paycheck. A Terminator where it doesn't completely eradicate previous beloved entries in the franchise. Is that really so much to ask for?

Terminator Salvation was a decent start for what could (and should) have been a new franchise. Terminator Genisys is, hopefully, the nail in this franchise's coffin.

Isn't that contradictory?

I think it is funny that the majority of negative revis call it a terrible terminator film, but a fun sci fi action film. It is plainly that. Better then Prometheus but worse then Star Trek.

I do think Arnold is fantastic in it though. As he's been in most films since his return. He is clearly a different actor, and adds a lot to the film

I think the new Arnold, is good in itself, but just bad as a Terminator. An old Terminator, devoid of any threat, just functioning as a "guardian" losing his robotic element, it just doesn't work for me in the Terminator universe.

Look at Fast and Furious, they did brilliantly after their weakest movie, the third installment. And also I thought Salvation was good as well. It was a different type of Terminator movie, but it was set in the future, something I was looking forward too, and it's just well made overall. It's an A-level production. Genisys is not.

T3 definitely fucked up the franchise, but I thought Salvation was a very nice recovery from that.

The problem is pretty much everyone complained about Salvation, so they thought, shit we gotta go back in another direction, we gotta get Arnie back, we also can't do exactly the same. Let's do the same, but then different, they just made it a mess, and it shows.

No. It's not.

Pre-fucking-cisely.

They tried to be clever and out-do the franchise's potential. They could not have made a worse film. Donald Trump as a Terminator would be a more imposing threat than any Terminator was in Genisys.

I just watched this a second time with someone who hadn't see it yet. An avid Terminator fan.
It thought I'd go into it just for laughs, and it kind a was, but it still couldn't distract me from everything that's so bad an wrong with the film.

I could look at it with a much more analytical mind this time. The best thing about it is J.K. Simmons, great actor and he plays a decent character, I wanted more of him. Arnie himself was also good, but he simply is not the Terminator anymore, he barely was in T3 actually.

It's kind of cute, but there's just nothing that instills fear as a viewer, and for me what made the Terminator so interesting is the death machine it is. In T2, even he played the good guy, he still had something frightening about him. That was all gone now.

Calling him pops surely didn't help, and overthought created really just so they found a plausible way to once again have Arnie star in a Terminator film. Shit Arnie is old now, how do we wrap this story around an old Terminator. It just immediately sounds bad, and I have no clue why they decided to go with that idea. Ugh.

Emilia Clarke is also nothing compared to how Linda Hamilton filled the role. She's simply not a good enough actress for it, but also the script was the worst ever. The dialogue, the events, they're all so insane, and especially incoherent with everything the Terminator experience brought before. I really can't think of a worse script for films that have a price tag like this one.

Jai Courtney, there isn't really anything to say. He's just a pussy in this, he missing acting skills, isn't funny, and is in the way of a good film really. But nothing could have saved this. Was glad it was over in the end.

Aside from Simmons, I also liked some of the special effects scenes, the future scenes are OK, and the chopper chase scene is really good actually. That's the kind of scene Furious 7 should have ended with instead of the streetfight/ cardrive scene.

I'll be stunned if I'll see a worse film this year.

So avid that he or she didn't see it at the cinema.