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What grade would you give this film?
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 Django Unchained 
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It is over because you were instructed to jog on.

No, no, I am done. I have no desire to argue with you. In general, I find you to be an amusing and entertaining poster, even though you despise me, lol. I just can't stand when an earnest and honest opinion is responded to with a dismissive "cool story, bro" type sentiment, as if the concept of feeling is bullshit and should be filtered, limited, and regulated. It annoys me.

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Settle down you two.

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Trixtser have you seen the movie yet?

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As for the film, it's definitely not as well-crafted or tight as Inglourious Basterds (I surely felt every one of the minutes here, whereas the time in IB flew by), which is possibly because Sally Menke is no longer with us. It seems to me that, without her, QT is able to indulge all of his cinematic instincts, whether they be good or self-destructive, and thus this film really is kind of a mess (especially the ending - was the scene with the Aussies really necessary? I would've preferred the original shootout at Candyland to be the climax). But it's still a fascinating, entertaining, and (for the most part) well-made mess, as contradictory as that might seem.

I want to see it again, but for now I think it's flawed but still pretty great.

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Agreed, Sally Menke was greatly missed from this film.

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As for the film, it's definitely not as well-crafted or tight as Inglourious Basterds (I surely felt every one of the minutes here, whereas the time in IB flew by), which is possibly because Sally Menke is no longer with us. It seems to me that, without her, QT is able to indulge all of his cinematic instincts, whether they be good or self-destructive, and thus this film really is kind of a mess (especially the ending - was the scene with the Aussies really necessary? I would've preferred the original shootout at Candyland to be the climax). But it's still a fascinating, entertaining, and (for the most part) well-made mess, as contradictory as that might seem.

I want to see it again, but for now I think it's flawed but still pretty great.

I agree with everything you said. It's crazy how I've read on other places online saying that this was better paced than IB, which I think is a load of BS.


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It is more exciting and propulsive than most of Inglourious Basterds, certainly.

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I wonder if people would have noticed editing differences if they walked into the film without knowing Menke was dead. (Personally, I think any real deficiencies come from a mad rush to get the film out on time, more than a change in editor. There was a real risk this thing wasn't going to make its release date.)

The film needs the false ending and Django's return because Django needs to be on his own. Schultz is gone. We as an audience have to see Django working things out on his own without guidance.


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Though one can argue Django does things rather easily after being released (Stylishly cool, but very easy) My only real complaint is that the whole charade of getting Brumhilda back seemed rather lame. Sure he may have insisted $600 instead of $300 but I'm sure he would have sold her rather easily since he was a gentlemen if quite sadistic. I mean he seemed more pissed that they wasted his time, not about the issue at hand.

I will say however, from Post Dinner to the hand shake scene (The skull scene in particular) Was absolutely brilliant. You knew someone was going to get fucked up but it was completely on edge of the seat going back to the end of RD or the adrenaline shot scene in PF, it was just perfectly executed and Tarantino has never been better.

I personally think Django is paced much better than IB but thats only because IB has the most abrupt cuts of all Tarantino films because it was two well crafted films that climaxed at the same time (Make of that whatever you wish)

I wish they explored a little better as to why Django was so good at shooting. My favorite reference though was to RD with the Kneecap joke towards Jackson. In my opinion Kill Bill Vol. 2 was a better Western than Django, but I still loved the film.

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The film needs the false ending and Django's return because Django needs to be on his own. Schultz is gone. We as an audience have to see Django working things out on his own without guidance.


I agree, but what they should have done, and what would have been cooler if:

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After the screen goes black at the end of the first Candieland shootout, it switches over to a somber song as it opens up on dusk at Calvin Candie's funeral. In this segment, we see cuts spliced into the funeral scene of Django being hung upside down like a piece of meat while Stephen explains his fate to be worked to death in the mines, and how he could do much worse, torturous acts, but this will make him suffer until he dies. Finally the funeral ends and Stephen and the rest of the family arrives back at Candieland.

In the entry hall there is a brief dialogue scene where Stephen explains to the two slave women that accompanied them to the funeral how black men and women are destined to be submissive, and Stephen reiterates one last time how there is that one in ten thousand black man who is something different. It is then that the lighting of a ciagr interrupts their conversation. A voice speaks out, it's Django. He shoots the armed men in the posse. He tells the two black women to say goodbye to Laura, who he then shoots (one of my favorite bits of dialogue by the way from this film). He then tells the slaves of Candieland to leave, except Stephen. The gun pointed at Stephen, Stephen demands to know how he managed to escape the mines. Django tells them he never made it to the mines, none of them did. Then in a BRIEF cutback, we see how he escapes, and we still get to see Tarantino's cameo and his death scene and Django emerge from the smoke and all that neat stuff.

Cut back to Stephen.

The rest of that scene goes exactly how it did in the theatrical version, except the movie ends with him rescuing Broomhilda instead of that horse dance.


So basically no scene is really cut, but it is such a dramatic editing change that would have made the ending a lot tighter.

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Bad idea. :P

I enjoy the slowly mounting tension as Django escapes and plots his final retribution. Reducing the scene with the Australians to a brief cutaway moment, crudely inserted, would be sad and also disruptive to the power of the last few minutes.

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I didnt understand why it would be wiser to offer ridiculous money for a Mandingo fighter instead of ridiculous money for a slave. Seriously, all he should have done was say he is searching for German speaking slaves. If her price is norm 300, why not just offer $1000 and save the other 11k they planned to spend?

& I quite like Foxx in this. He was that 1 in 10,000. We would all be saying Will Smith was seriously miscast in this had he gotten the role. Maybe Chris Tucker....;) "D'artanian muhfucka!!!!" or "KING!" in his high voice would be great.

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But Magnus, you're not going to deny the handshake scene was awesome.

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It is a fair point: he could have just gone to the plantation, said, "I'm a German just moved to America, and I hear you have a slave who knows my language," and tried to purchase her. I am sure this will end up in a easy-plot-solutions article down the line, right next to Voldemort pointing a Beretta at baby Harry and such.

But I believe the psychology of the Calvin Candie character justifies their more elaborate scheme. He is this figure who is comfortable and sheltered to the point of boredom and delusion, so he could choose to not sell her on a whim (perhaps he is amused to hear her German or finds her beautiful) or not even meet them. So their choice to concoct a truly over-the-top, colorful, and theatrical entry point into his world is understandable.

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It is a fair point: he could have just gone to the plantation, said, "I'm a German just moved to America, and I hear you have a slave who knows my language," and tried to purchase her. I am sure this will end up in a easy-plot-solutions article down the line, right next to Voldemort pointing a Beretta at baby Harry and such.

But I believe the psychology of the Calvin Candie character justifies their more elaborate scheme. He is this figure who is comfortable and sheltered to the point of boredom and delusion, so he could choose to not sell her on a whim (perhaps he is amused to hear her German or finds her beautiful) or not even meet them. So their choice to concoct a truly over-the-top, colorful, and theatrical entry point into his world is understandable.


Dave that's a funny point about Harry Potter, but he would have tried the wand first, and didn't the wand technically destroy his physical body at this point.

I personally loved QT's role in the film, and one of my favorite cameos of the year. I would have been disappointed if it didn't make it in. I think the lack of Kevin Costner or Kurt Russell in that other role makes the final shootout a little less interesting as the main baddie at that point only had maybe 5 lines throughout the film. The role was expanded more as the trainer of the Mandingos, and met Django at Leo's first meeting, as well being the most suspicious of Django and Shultz's intentions. That adds a stronger punch to the finale as you know Django will kill all of them.

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2nd view

Enjoyed Leo's performance and character much more.

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Leo, Waltz and Jackson all deserve Oscar nominations tbh.


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This film overall was not Tarantino in top form, but components of it certainly were. The writing was phenominal, witty, and always fun. Dr. King Shultz is right up there amongst his best characters. The performances, such as Leo's volcanic monologue, all noteworthy moments in the career of legends.

But this film lacked a great editor, and as such, the film suffered from the loss of Menke.

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Does anyone know the point of James Remar playing two different roles? I figured that his appearance in Greenville (wearing a hat indoors, as Django points it) would lead to a revelation where he's the same character that Schultz killed at the beginning (the hat covering a head wound), but nothing ever came of it. Was Tarantino just fucking with us? Or did he run out of time to cast somebody else?

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Does anyone know the point of James Remar playing two different roles? I figured that his appearance in Greenville (wearing a hat indoors, as Django points it) would lead to a revelation where he's the same character that Schultz killed at the beginning (the hat covering a head wound), but nothing ever came of it. Was Tarantino just fucking with us? Or did he run out of time to cast somebody else?


It's a gag, which he's done before. Michael Parks and Gordon Liu both play two different characters in Kill Bill.


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Sally Menke contacted me via Ouija board. She says she never would have let James Remar play two roles.

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Kings character was a dry bore. Leo and Samuel Jackson stole the show. Fox is 3rd.

Cant get over how bad Will Smith would have been as Django.

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I wonder if this film's popularity will result in Jamie Foxx replacing Idris Elba as the one black actor angry white movie nerds love.

Anthony Mackie and Chiwetel Ejiofor are forgotten.

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Kings character was a dry bore.


I would recommend sitting in the corner and thinking on why this statement is so completely wrong.


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Kings character was a dry bore.


I would recommend sitting in the corner and thinking on why this statement is so completely wrong.


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