I dunno, I suppose it's not entirely unreasonable to have this discussion, even if I disagree with the premise.

Still, I think it's funny it ended up happening in this particular thread. There is absolutely nothing objectionable about the portrayal/characterization of women in this movie.

For the record I don't think he's a full on sexist as much a filmmaker who's just had a spotty record with females. In his 4 biggest 'creative control' films they're all man serving possessions and/or sexual objects. Whether that's intentional or just the way things popped out is beyond me

I don't think his portrayal of Daisy on it's own is evidence of anything, but the fact that she didn't really have any attributes besides being pretty and a bit of a floozy, taken with with his other work, doesn't look to hot.

Honestly, I really don't understand the "David Fincher is sexist" thing at all.

Like Magnus said, Fight Club is so pumped full of testosterone that I feel like that's the only movie one could even get that vibe.

How is Seven sexist? Because Gwyneth Paltrow ends up dead? Because there are female victims?

Zodiac? Another one I don't grasp.

Anyone that thinks Fight Club was sexist is even more deeply moronic. I'm not even a big fan of that film, but it's so clearly anti-Durden and mocking of inane masculinity that it's amazing how so many machismo, loser-ly, probably actually sexist or homophobic meatheads love the film. In fact, looking at it that way, and also how it also appears to upset sanctimonious blubbering twittering heavyhearted heavy-handed west-coast-stereotype liberals who are so obsessed with victimization they look for it in the stupidest places and don't even realize when someone is slyly on their side, maybe I should boost my rating for it for going over the heads of so many people.

And the sad part is, I'm probably a bigger social liberal than anyone else on here. I just call bullshit when I see it, and am verbally aggressive.

that's why people grasp at straws.

they talk shit.

people are really going beyond the point of intelligent criticism now.

Fincher is also a fan of decapitation. The vile creep!

and Fight Club was a screen adaptation of a book. judging by this thread, not many people know this.

Palahniuk is gay. How many of you know that?

David Fincher didn't write Fight Club? What?!?!?!?!?!

I'm so scared and cold and confused now. Can papa makeshift come in and explain auteur theory to me again? It's getting dark.

looks like he has many things to explain to u.

papa makeshift is busy explaining art to Benjamin Milk.

He never has time for me anymore!

For the record, I'm totally not on board the "David Fincher is a raging misogynist" train, but I don't see the harm in considering the argument.

Except that Fincher said that his goal in depicting Tyler Durden was making a character that "people would fucking love."
In Se7en, Zodiac, and Button, female characters serve no purpose other than being plot devices, or in Button's case, foundations for Benjamin, never letting one of his female characters have any sort of agency or important development. We basically see grown-up Daisy on four occasions.
1) In New York, where Fincher clearly doesn't try to endear her to us, instead making her come off like a bitch.
2) Making Button's baby/being a sex object.
3) Caring for little Button in a very stereotypically motherly sense, dedicating herself in a servile fashion.
4) Still obsessing about Button on her death bed.

I do. Gay people are not women, apparently.

I'm not either, but it's a fun one. Raging? Not so much. Showing very little concern for women? Check. And obsession with masculinity more than verging on homoerotic? Check plus.

I have to remind myself that every day.

We're gonna go ahead and award that point to snack.

And I would like to go watch 8 1/2 now but I like this thread. hmm...5 more minutes.

If there is such a thing as overanalyzing a movie I think you just hit the nail on the head.

actually, it's a completely assumption-heavy, generalizing, under-analysis.

Not to mention dead. Remind me to stop writing him those letters.

actually, it's a completely assumption-heavy, generalizing, under-analysis.

Fellini loves his women. Perhaps in an often objectifying sense, but his women just objectify his men right back. Besides....it's Fellini!