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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Good review, much better said than me. I just think it took a lot of leaps and I'm not sure 9 can clean them up.I'm excited to see though.
I give it a lot of credit for the changes it is making.
It's actually tough seeing a SW film I don't agree with. As most I grew up knowing the sequels were good. And then with the prequels you could say each one got better. And yet I think this one is better than most, but there are plenty WTF moments throughout.
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:31 pm
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
stuffp wrote:
And I didn't like how Rose ended up in that battalion of fighters in the end. Didn't feel anything pointed to her being able to be a fighter pilot before. Just because this all had to make sense for them to have her save Fin she had to be there, and I would have liked at this been more organic.
I thought the exact same thing when I saw this, actually. Forgot it until you mentioned it. However, this is how Star Wars works. What the fuck was Luke doing taking on the Death Star in A NEW HOPE?
It's just what they do.
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:08 pm
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Also, you have to remember. He didn't kill him. He only thought about. Possibly he was pushed by Snoke with thoughts that began with how he thought the a Jedi would in this moment based solely off the dogma.
And if they made Snoke the big bad all that would have done is make another Emperor. Would have been a poor choice.
Johnson's decisions in this movie is making us rethink the overall arch is more about the rise and fall of the Jedi, who are themselves more to blame than any convienant big bad. They got too comfortable, which led to the rise of a new Sith Lord. It was their mishandling of Anakin that led to his fall to the dark side even more than Sidious who just exploited an opportunity. It was then Luke who turned too much to his romanticized vision of the past (much like us after Episode VI) that allowed this happen again. A new Republic, but no lessons learned from the past means the same things will happen again. Break the cycle Episode VIII asks is and reform a new identity in the here and now.
Now it all comes down to Episode IX to bring it home.
Much like Qui Gon Jinn knew in the first episode all along, that the ways of the Jedi were growing old and that it was time to break free from the dogma of the Jedi and establish a new order.
Star Wars Episode IX: The Next Order
Completely agree regarding Snoke. I found him a bore and couldn't be happier that they offed him.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I liked it more the second time. The Kantobyte parts breezed by and I appreciated them alot more because of it. The shot of the horses racing along the beach in the moonlight is gorgeous too.
You turned on the movie before seeing it for the second time though. Is it a counter-counter-cultural thing?
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:56 pm
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
The film is entirely entertaining, IMO, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that both subplots either have no bearing on the main plot (Finn and Rose) or make no sense (Poe and Holdo).
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:01 pm
Jmart
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
What's the main plot? I ask because both things you bring up are integral.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Jmart wrote:
What's the main plot? I ask because both things you bring up are integral.
Id say Rey’s plotline is the main one. While I didn’t mind the Canto bight stuff at all, they failed to find the code breaker and Holdo managed to save everyone without the code breaker anyway
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:35 pm
Jmart
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
zwackerm wrote:
Jmart wrote:
What's the main plot? I ask because both things you bring up are integral.
Id say Rey’s plotline is the main one. While I didn’t mind the Canto bight stuff at all, they failed to find the code breaker and Holdo managed to save everyone without the code breaker anyway
They found him. They got captured. And while this can't be proven at all, if they had got to JT, he wasn't leaving the table. The guy they got was what they needed until they got caught.
Holdo didn't save everyone. She saved everyone that was left from Poe, Finn and Rose's (especially Poe) disaster of a plan. If they didn't all try to out-Solo Han Solo with a million-to-one shot plan, everyone on the main ship would've lived because DJ wouldn't have heard the transmission through BB-8. All they had to do was trust Leia's judgment (since she and Holdo are their superiors) and take one or two tablets of Ativan. But then you have a third of the story missing and you'd really have a slow-chase through space that dumb people are complaining about being there already and you have no character arcs.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
They absolutely should have kept Luke alive and altered it so that Leia flew the ship into the first order. That would have been so much better.
Frankly I am dumbfounded that decision was not made.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:05 am
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
You're dumbfounded they didn't anticipate her death?
And let's say that they could (Disney has so much money they might be able to in a few years), that means you wouldn't get the scene of Luke and Leia at the end and you'd have more people complaining how the original three never saw one another in this trilogy.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Jmart wrote:
Holdo didn't save everyone. She saved everyone that was left from Poe, Finn and Rose's (especially Poe) disaster of a plan. If they didn't all try to out-Solo Han Solo with a million-to-one shot plan, everyone on the main ship would've lived because DJ wouldn't have heard the transmission through BB-8. All they had to do was trust Leia's judgment (since she and Holdo are their superiors) and take one or two tablets of Ativan. But then you have a third of the story missing and you'd really have a slow-chase through space that dumb people are complaining about being there already and you have no character arcs.
That is all correct. And let's put aside that it makes little sense for Holdo wo withold her plan from Poe. What are the consequences of their actions for Poe, Finn and Rose? Because the ony way the next film can redeem that part for me is if the three arecourt-martialed and executed for bringing death upon the rebels by disobeying.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:27 am
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
First off...
Second, they probably would be if the resistance wasn't down to eleven people. But hey, they tried. At least no one important died.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Jmart wrote:
At least no one important died.
How dare you call Admiral Ackbar unimportant!? You calamaracist, you!
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
For me I think it would've been really cool and fresh if Leia died when she flew into space and would've given the film a darker gravitas. But I understand they were paranoid about getting any backlash from a "disrespectful" death. Obviously it would've been difficult to edit the rest of the movie to not have her in it as well.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I would advise anyone wanting to watch this to tune in after 105 minutes. Everything before that is filler. Save yourself from the boredom. It instantly gets better after that, but still not good enough to redeem its faults. It also acts a lot like MCU films, and I consider this to be The Winter Soldier of the Star Wars saga. They are so petrified to kill main characters. Leia was dead, but came back to life. Finn is just about to sacrifice himself, but is saved at the last second. Luke allowed Ren to kill him, but oh no it was a hologram or whatever. Luke still might be dead, but the way he went out is so ambiguous (as opposed to a lightsaber through the chest) that he could so easily be brought back in future films. The Last Jedi is a complete damp squib and nothing is furthered in the Star Wars story.
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:53 am
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens B+
Return of the Jedi B Empire Strikes Back B A New Hope B
Rogue One C+ Revenge of the Sith C- The Last Jedi C- Attack of the Clones D The Phantom Menace D
Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:54 am
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
There were two very funny lines that I just want to highlight:
1
Kylo: "I want every gun we have to fire on that man .... do it" [hundreds of shots are fired] Hux: "THAT'S ENOUUUUUUUUUUGH!" Hux: "Do you think you got him?"
2
Kylo: "Bring me down to him. Keep the door covered and don't advance until I say" Hux: "Supreme leader, don't get distracted. Our goal..." [Kylo hits Hux to the wall] Operator: "Right away, sir"
The final 25 minutes of this film actually isn't bad. Which just shows how shit the first 2 hours is.
I still haven't had the desire to re-watch this since I saw it in theaters which probably says something. I at least watched TFA twice by this time, but haven't seen RO since I saw it in theaters either.
Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:03 pm
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I've not rewatched TFA or R1 since seeing them at the cinema. I don't plan on seeing R1 again, but would watch TFA again. Didn't even see TLJ at the cinema (that turned out to be a wise decision) but it stung me at home.
It's almost as if you didn't understand the movie. Shocking.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I hope all you TLJ haters are happy about TROS review scores. This is your fault.
If twitter existed in 1980 they probably would have run back all the good stuff in Empire. Darth LIED! See guys, everybody is gonna be the same, no need to get upset.
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