LOL To semi-agree with Ross, I was slightly embarassed of sending that list to you, but I did So Loyal's opinions did cross my mind, but did not stop me though from nominating Domino all across the board

Torri, I think it would be best if you just named names. I'd rather not even reply to any of this, unless you're typing to me specifically. :O

Now you're getting annoying (firstly by insinuating that I don't understand your point of you- oh, I do; secondly by saying I'm weak minded and have been swayed into liking this movie. yeah).

I'm an ardent fan of Star Trek. I love each and every one of the movies, strong or weak, but haven't really hidden that passion, have I? We all know the connotation that comes with Trek is very negative, but that hasn't swayed me into being quieted for fear of being bitten. Like anyone with a brain, I've always realized this is the internet; a place where there isn't any need to be intimidated or fearful of much retribution because it simply doesn't effect me physically. So, while I appreciate your point of view, I can confidently say that my opinion is my own. I can't think of much more to say on the subject, because I can't speak for anyone else who has seen it. Now you know *my perspective*, which won't change. There isn't much more to say, now is there?

Have you seen the movie, Ross? It's such a treat. I've never seen Virginia like it was displayed. I don't think I've ever felt such a connection between Earth, film, and acting talent. Not like this. That is why it is an A movie. It's something you rarely come across.

No, you're doing a fine job. Really. Maybe it's me and some others that aren't satisfying whatever response you're looking for? You ever be right, because whatever response we might have subconsciously or mechanistically towards another's post is just that- innate and personal. You might be on to something, but I doubt I'll ever agree because I have the confidence to say that I like movies like the New World, regardless of what someone else has to say.

I'm going BKB on all of you:

lennier are you HONESTLY saying that you went into this movie objectively without any bias whatsoever and without any inner feeling whether you realized it or not that you were supposed to like this movie??? That you didnt read dolce's and loyal's review before and determine that you were supposed to like THE NEW WORLD because they did??? Maybe you did appreciate it on it's own I DON'T KNOW HOW OPEN-MINDED AND OBJECTIVE YOU ARE but i don't think the majority of WoKJ shitty toilet paperesque pale-faced wiggers think like this. ADMIT IT: there are people who walk into THE NEW WORLD thinking they have to like the movie and find every excuse to find that slow brooding movie QUALITY just because smarter people told them so.

That was seriously just for fun.

You should have blundered the spelling of "appreciate" more. I would have fallen for it.

Actually, I thought the movie looked like garbage when I heard about it. Colin Farrel is an annoying dick.

That is until I was persuaded to give a chance.

Happy, bkb?

Well, I guess I'll just assume I ≠ one of those being discussed.

However...I do think the whole discussion is very interesting. Perhaps it should be removed from the context of this thread, and brought to cinemania where it is less specific and can include more posters' views. [Hint. :o]

Or perhaps we could use it to our advantage to push past the Brokeback Mountain thread.

hmm. :O

So yeah, uh, maybe those who "didn't like it" are just trying to be different... I bet it was really Zingaling's favorite of the year (decade?) but he just doesn't want to be associated with good films. Faker!
What do you have to say for yourself, Fake-aling?


BTW, I "bought" the score last night (and into this morning, really).

It truely is some great music.

I'm not a fan of listening to birds and stuff overtop my music, though. (Obviously it's fine when accompanied by the visuals, but otherwise it just bugs me.)

You know, if you wander over to the forums over at Rotten Tomatoes and take a look at some of the threads dedicated to The New World there, you will find a similar reaction from the posters, with many throwing around the term masterpiece. This isn't just some crazy KJ phenomenon....

...now please, have a drink .

See... now I gotta go see this.

Don't forget you have to like it too!

But see... I hate The Thin Red Line.

Me too. I HATED that movie. But I do want to see this.

TANGENT TIME!

I'm kind of bothered by the idea that idea that people are potentially intimidated by my thoughts on movies (as was mentioned earlier). Maybe it's just the force at which I attack the ideas, because that's what is interesting to me in cinema, is ideas, not necessarily always execution or tits or explosions. To me, that's why we are here. Cinema is vital to me in that way, which is why, although Dr. Lecter, Zingaling, lennier, etc. have had our arguments on the field we rarely spar outside of those boundries. I'm not saying we haven't, but it's not long standing angst (at least on my part). I mean, I can count the people I don't like on this site with one finger.

For certain things, like horror and comedy, I can't even speak on. And I am also bothered by the idea that I can't like Flightplan as generic entertainment without turning some heads and still maintain my "indie cred" when I get into deep discussions about things.

I mean, did I walk into Munich and Harry Potter wanting to like them a lot? Yes. Do I feel objective enough in that to have discussions about those films... yes. Do I think (Munich for example) is a good enough film that I can downplay my personal pre-concieved notions and love it despite that? Yes. Do I think that people on this board went to see Match Point, Narnia, Brokeback Mountain, Memoirs of a Geisha, with that same sort of baggage. Yes. Do I think that people can overcome their pre-concieved notions... most of them, not all. They have to prove it... they have to reach beyond and say something earnest. I'm more than willing to listen to a fanboy on any subject as long as the fanboy knows what they are talking about. It's not really about being right or wrong, but having an opinion of the piece which seems justified in some sense.

It's also been pointed out that I tend to hate everything. Maybe that's true. I feel I look at cinema almost completely opposite than 90% of the site here. Cinema has to really prove itself to be of worth to me, I believe with most people on here, cinema is an easy pill to swallow and the movie has to prove itself REALLY PUTRID in order to cause ire.

What the fuck am I talking about.

Bwahahaha! You're great. And the other post, 2 more pages and we'll be news! Uh, on the forum that is, and rt, since we're certainly not news in this weekend's upcoming b.o......

Unlesss......


Roo, Tod? You guys going to check it out?

Great debate! That's why I love coming to the World of KJ! Can you imagine having this same discussion with your general group of friends? No one in TRW wants to discuss movies and the psychology of seeing them to the level that's possible in here!

Thanx everyone!

I would like to take a minute and explain my year end ranking for The New World. I've mentioned several times in the Top 10 of 2005 thread that my #1 (A History of Violence) and #2 (Grizzly Man) were interchangable. I would also say that my #3 film (The New World) is also interchangable. All 3 films deal with a strong single theme and they do so extraordinarily. AHOV is about, well violence and the need to conceal it. Grizzly Man is rooted in obsession and its destructive nature. The New World is above all else, about love. How love heals, how it restores faith, how it's the most powerful force known to man. So even though The New World isn't #1 in print, it certainly shares the spot.

So who'll be watching this, this upcoming weekend, before it gets dumped from theatres?

But there is a reason why AHOV is #1 actually...something gave it the edge...

As romantic and obsessive as I am, I'm still all about the sex and violence.

The piano, is it Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 23?

EDIT:

Adagio from Piano Concerto No 23 in A, K 488 methinks.

Does anyone have the file to share?

Sorry it's taken so long, but here are some more consice thoughts on the film...

Malick's direction is uniformly brilliant, and a huge step up from his dreadful work on The Thin Red Line. Some of the shot compositions in this film are so masterful, you just want to freeze them and hang them on your wall. He manages to make a film that is two hours and ten minutes and rather light on plot flow and move with ease so it feels much more like an hour and a half.

The cinematography had to be fantastic to be able to pull off the shots and look Malick invisioned, and it is. It's one of the most beautifully photographed films you're likely to see.

The acting is great all around. Farrell gives one of his better performances and Bale is fantastic as usual. The two real standouts here, though, are Christopher Plummer and Q'Orianka Kilcher. Kilcher especially is so amazing that you forget that she's even acting. One of the better female performances of the year, bar none.

It's been touched on so many times in this thread, I feel it's almost redundant to do so again, but it has to be said... James Horner's score is a total masterpiece. The most beautiful and touching moments in the film are when Malick kills all sound except for Horner's score and just lets the music, his actors, and his images do all the talking. The scenes with Rebecca and John in the woods as they slowly discover their love for one another are some of the best moments i've seen in a film not only this year, but in any year. And Horner's score just sets it all off.

Now, for the bad, and there is some...

No matter what anyone says, the film IS extremely self-indulgent at points (which brings the pace to a crawl), and it does lose quite a bit of it's steam when it moves the characters from the colony to England. It makes up for this misstep in the final minutes, but it does bring the film down.

All in all, I feel that The New World is one of the better films i've seen this year, but it's certainly not without it's faults. I'll give it a weak A-, and it did manage to bump Capote from my top ten and take it's place at number ten.

I do! I can send it via e-mail, if that's what you want. Not sure whether there is somewhere where I can "host" a music file.

PEACE, Mike.

Mike, you are the greatest.

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