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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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 Re: Slumdog Millionare
loyalfromlondon wrote: Crash as awful as it was, at least pretended to have acting. I mean, its acting consisted of screaming and crying but it was acting.
When I rewatched Slumdog on Sunday, I was amazed at the amount of deer in the headlight line deliveries. Jamal's brother (the final version) was particularly bad. And yet you gave it an A.
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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 Re: Slumdog Millionare
trixster wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Crash as awful as it was, at least pretended to have acting. I mean, its acting consisted of screaming and crying but it was acting.
When I rewatched Slumdog on Sunday, I was amazed at the amount of deer in the headlight line deliveries. Jamal's brother (the final version) was particularly bad. And yet you gave it an A. I've long since changed my grade.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:56 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: Slumdog Millionare
trixster wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Crash as awful as it was, at least pretended to have acting. I mean, its acting consisted of screaming and crying but it was acting.
When I rewatched Slumdog on Sunday, I was amazed at the amount of deer in the headlight line deliveries. Jamal's brother (the final version) was particularly bad. And yet you gave it an A. Loyal actually gave it a B, I think, but I would've guessed it was under his "Crash Level of Awful" benchmark if I didn't know otherwise. Y'all can feel free to disagree but I'm somewhat convinced a lot of the hate people have for this movie wouldn't really exist if it didn't catch on like it did.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:57 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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He gave it an A to start with. Before the hype caught on.
You can say I hated it just because it's the Oscar frontrunner, whatever. It's not true, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead. I don't like or dislike movies simply based on their popularity. I hated both WALL-E and The Mummy 3, but I also loved both TDK and The Happening.
I was actually quite looking forward to this. I love Danny Boyle, and you can see by my response in that "Fuck Slumdog Millionaire Club", he's the reason I didn't join that club. But this is a serious misfire.
Whatever, I don't really care about this film enough to have a debate about it. I hated it, you loved it. We each did so for our own reasons. You claiming I did because it's the Oscar frontrunner is about as offensive had I done the same about you.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:05 pm |
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snack
Extraordinary
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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 Re: Slumdog Millionare
I disliked it before it was cool to dislike. In fact, I probably made it cool to dislike.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:07 pm |
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Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 2:20 pm Posts: 7952 Location: Wherever he went, including here, it was against his better judgment.
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I rate it with 8 out of 10 points.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:22 pm |
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Loyal
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My lukewarm written review is dated Nov 23rd. loyalfromlondon wrote: It's good but nowhere near what I expected. It's not the secondcoming that the reviews have lead many to believe.
I liked the first two stories of Jamal, Salim, and Latika (child and preteen) more that the last one. Something didn't ring true with the present day jail and gangster stuff, along with the game show bits.
It was cool to see many of the locations I visited in Mumbia this time last year. With a B-, it ranks in the top 70 or so of films released in 2008.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:45 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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trixster wrote: He gave it an A to start with. Before the hype caught on.
You can say I hated it just because it's the Oscar frontrunner, whatever. It's not true, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead. I don't like or dislike movies simply based on their popularity. I hated both WALL-E and The Mummy 3, but I also loved both TDK and The Happening.
I was actually quite looking forward to this. I love Danny Boyle, and you can see by my response in that "Fuck Slumdog Millionaire Club", he's the reason I didn't join that club. But this is a serious misfire.
Whatever, I don't really care about this film enough to have a debate about it. I hated it, you loved it. We each did so for our own reasons. You claiming I did because it's the Oscar frontrunner is about as offensive had I done the same about you. I didn't say that about you specifically. I meant, IN GENERAL, I think a lot of the criticism this movie has gotten would be less pronounced if it weren't so popular. I think the same thing is true of Juno, just among recent examples. Chalk it up to backlash.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:57 pm |
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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Any viewing after the Toronto film festival in October would be susceptible to influence. I mean, I pointed out in my review that the film wasn't "the secondcoming that the reviews have lead many to believe."
I wish I could view it in a bubble but I can't.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:09 pm |
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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BJ wrote: well made predictable fluff that should not be nominated for BP.
if only 
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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trixster wrote: So I finally saw this.
I pretty much agree with yosh on all counts. This is an ugly, repulsive, disgusting film, with trite notions of 'fate' and 'destiny' completely underwritten by the basic premise that this guy CAN'T FIND HAPPINESS UNTIL HE WINS THE TWENTY MILLION RUPEES. What an utterly depressing movie.
But Dan you liked Speed Racer which was a disgusting insult to the memory of 50s motorsport with its lazy dealings with the danger of the era and its piss poor rip off of the mille miglia! Fangio, Ascari and co are rolling in their graves! Sorry I couldn't resist 
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bABA
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
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Ozymunkias wrote: Libs wrote: Ozymunkias wrote: THOSE are their names in the movie?
Seriously? Those are almost two of the blackest names I've ever heard. Latika is of Indian origin and Jamal means "beauty" in Arabic. I'll give you Latika... But Jamal is prominently a black name. Jamal is an extremely common Muslim name (which the boy in the movie was) and is extremely common, both as a first and a last name in South Asia and the middle east.. Infact, both my cousin's last name is Jamal and I went to school with quite a few of them back there.
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Gulli wrote: trixster wrote: So I finally saw this.
I pretty much agree with yosh on all counts. This is an ugly, repulsive, disgusting film, with trite notions of 'fate' and 'destiny' completely underwritten by the basic premise that this guy CAN'T FIND HAPPINESS UNTIL HE WINS THE TWENTY MILLION RUPEES. What an utterly depressing movie.
But Dan you liked Speed Racer which was a disgusting insult to the memory of 50s motorsport with its lazy dealings with the danger of the era and its piss poor rip off of the mille miglia! Fangio, Ascari and co are rolling in their graves! Sorry I couldn't resist  At least Speed Racer had pretty colours. And ninjas. And John Goodman. Slumdog had none of those things. Its colours were all uggo.
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Tyler
Powered By Hate
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:55 pm Posts: 7578 Location: Torrington, CT
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I think the Snob Brigade is taking the film too seriously in a bandwagon effect. If it actually went straight-to-video they'd praise it as a GREAT GLOBALIZED FAIRYTALE!
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:09 pm |
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loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Anton Chigurh wrote: I think the Snob Brigade is taking the film too seriously in a bandwagon effect. If it actually went straight-to-video they'd praise it as a GREAT GLOBALIZED FAIRYTALE! I think you're just jealous we didn't include you.
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Tyler
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Was my app even rejected?
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:18 pm |
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loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Anton Chigurh wrote: Was my app even rejected? I think makeshift just forgot/lost interest. For the record, I was pulling for you!
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
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Actually, if it went straight to video, we wouldn't fucking watch it.
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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trixster wrote: So I finally saw this.
I pretty much agree with yosh on all counts. This is an ugly, repulsive, disgusting film, with trite notions of 'fate' and 'destiny' completely underwritten by the basic premise that this guy CAN'T FIND HAPPINESS UNTIL HE WINS THE TWENTY MILLION RUPEES. What an utterly depressing movie.
Everything in the film, from the shit bath to the Fagin-esque poet/child molester to the derivative gangster types to the psychotic protective elder brother, is so totally overdone and ridiculous and silly that it becomes boring. The whole film is nigh unwatchable. It's, at best, a D-level Hollywood/Bollywood direct-to-DVD piece of crap, and, at worse, something far more offensive and sickening.
Yeah, sure. It's flashy and colourful and stylish. But style doesn't mean shit if it's not connected to anything. What were the point of all the canted angle shots? The jumpy editing? The bright lights? To make the film feel "alive"? A ton of films have done a lot more with a lot less.
I could barely finish watching it. Thank god I didn't pay for it.
At least it's better than Crash. Maybe. Well, Jamal guesses on the last question because he doesn't care if he wins or not. His brother chooses a life of money and gets killed for it (and he paints this message when he dies). Yeah the movie says the money dominated world creates a lot of suffering. That's not offensive... derivative and 'what else is new', arguably, but regardless, it says quite just about the exact opposite from "money will bring you happiness" And again, the mobsters, etc. plot is supposed to be "derivative". It's a homage... it's a story about stories, so they borrow and embrace cinema traditions heavily, from the Bollywood stuff to the American gangsters, to the romance princess arc, to the three journeyers and their quest from classic literature, and so on. This is all done completley intentionally. Boyle pumps up the film to make it heavily cinematic and "big"... just as Bollywood films have big song and dance, he has well, lots of song and montage and big flash in the editing room. This ties into the complaints about this not being a 'real' or legit portrayal of India slums... again to even use loyal's analogy, this is basically closer to something like Aladdin and it knows it. Realism and the 'omigod, suffering' is not the point here... it's a story that knows it's a story, and pumps itself up accordingly so, if that makes sense. Bollywood and American cinema of the past did the same thing. If it feels too fun and light for the subject matter it's dealing with, it's because again, Boyle is making cinema big fun type entertainment fare here. This film cares much more about its roots as a cinema ride than it does as a realistic portrait, much more. I think I've said this on 5 different pages everytime someone posts a bad review lol
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Loyal
"no rank"
Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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I don't know why a bad review = the reviewer doesn't get it.
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:57 am |
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Shack
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I edited, that was a bit much
But at the least, trix seemed to imply making the film big and flashy, and Boyle using "borrowed" plot, villains, etc., as without a clear point and intention. Which is untrue
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Another thing I just realized I liked about this movie... the whole India music/American rap music mix, really fits into this being a mix of Hollywood and Bollywood cinema...
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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I think the biggest issue with Slumdog and it appears to be the root of all its criticism, is that it tries to be everything to everyone.
It's fairy tale, it's silly. The way events unfold are completely impossible. Yet you have the main character saying "You wanted to see the real India. Here it is." Well, which is it?
It robs the movie of any gravitas. Kids being mutilated, Latika being raped, murder, poverty, paedophila, torture. No thanks, we'll just focus on the adorable street urchins and dance number instead.
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:16 am |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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 Re: Slumdog Millionare
Shack-Fu wrote: trixster wrote: So I finally saw this.
I pretty much agree with yosh on all counts. This is an ugly, repulsive, disgusting film, with trite notions of 'fate' and 'destiny' completely underwritten by the basic premise that this guy CAN'T FIND HAPPINESS UNTIL HE WINS THE TWENTY MILLION RUPEES. What an utterly depressing movie.
Everything in the film, from the shit bath to the Fagin-esque poet/child molester to the derivative gangster types to the psychotic protective elder brother, is so totally overdone and ridiculous and silly that it becomes boring. The whole film is nigh unwatchable. It's, at best, a D-level Hollywood/Bollywood direct-to-DVD piece of crap, and, at worse, something far more offensive and sickening.
Yeah, sure. It's flashy and colourful and stylish. But style doesn't mean shit if it's not connected to anything. What were the point of all the canted angle shots? The jumpy editing? The bright lights? To make the film feel "alive"? A ton of films have done a lot more with a lot less.
I could barely finish watching it. Thank god I didn't pay for it.
At least it's better than Crash. Maybe. Well, Jamal guesses on the last question because he doesn't care if he wins or not. His brother chooses a life of money and gets killed for it (and he paints this message when he dies). Yeah the movie says the money dominated world creates a lot of suffering. That's not offensive... derivative and 'what else is new', arguably, but regardless, it says quite just about the exact opposite from "money will bring you happiness" And again, the mobsters, etc. plot is supposed to be "derivative". It's a homage... it's a story about stories, so they borrow and embrace cinema traditions heavily, from the Bollywood stuff to the American gangsters, to the romance princess arc, to the three journeyers and their quest from classic literature, and so on. This is all done completley intentionally. Boyle pumps up the film to make it heavily cinematic and "big"... just as Bollywood films have big song and dance, he has well, lots of song and montage and big flash in the editing room. This ties into the complaints about this not being a 'real' or legit portrayal of India slums... again to even use loyal's analogy, this is basically closer to something like Aladdin and it knows it. Realism and the 'omigod, suffering' is not the point here... it's a story that knows it's a story, and pumps itself up accordingly so, if that makes sense. Bollywood and American cinema of the past did the same thing. If it feels too fun and light for the subject matter it's dealing with, it's because again, Boyle is making cinema big fun type entertainment fare here. This film cares much more about its roots as a cinema ride than it does as a realistic portrait, much more. I think I've said this on 5 different pages everytime someone posts a bad review lol That would make sense if it wasn't so dark and brutal and ultra-violent. There's no correlation between the light fairytale stuff and Jamal getting electrocuted by the cops, or the kid getting his eyes burned out, or Jamal's brother blowing away the gangster. It wavers between light and dark far too much, and so feels terribly uneven and ugly because of it. loyal is right; it tries to be both a colourful love fantasy and a grim portrait of the 'real' India. It can't do both, and so fails to be either.
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bABA
Commander and Chef
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
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Rorschach wrote: Shack-Fu wrote: Another thing I just realized I liked about this movie... the whole India music/American rap music mix, really fits into this being a mix of Hollywood and Bollywood cinema... The attempt makes sense...the execution fails though. I will agree. I wanted to murder people every time the hip hop music came on. I'm like wtf!? it doesn't even fit!
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