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It wasn't a box-office success.

Oh I see. I saw something on wikipedia that implied it was, but I guess that was not a reliable source, or that it counted video sales.

It sure had a release date that implied Toho thought it would be a box office success though. Right in the middle of July.


It didn't earn more than ¥1 billion in distributor income, which was generally seen as the mark of success in the market. Wiki has an uncredited box-office total of ¥1.5 billion, which if true, meant it just missed the distributor income threshold, which is why Eiren doesn't list it.

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Does this make Zootopia the most successful talking animal movie in Japan? Other than Finding Nemo, I guess.


Yes, though The Adventures of Milo and Otis is above Zootopia. I think they're the only three films to have earned over ¥5 billion.

Also Finding Dory, but no one remembers that movie.


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Corpse wrote:
It wasn't a box-office success.

Oh I see. I saw something on wikipedia that implied it was, but I guess that was not a reliable source, or that it counted video sales.

It sure had a release date that implied Toho thought it would be a box office success though. Right in the middle of July.


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Does this make Zootopia the most successful talking animal movie in Japan? Other than Finding Nemo, I guess.


Yes, though The Adventures of Milo and Otis is above Zootopia. I think they're the only three films to have earned over ¥5 billion.

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It wasn't a box-office success.

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I've noticed that wikipedia articles sometimes claim that pre-1997 Ghibli movies were the biggest movies of their given years in Japan. How do they know this, and are lists available for these given years? I'm interested in 1988, kind of.



You can check http://eiren.org/toukei/ to look at the list of biggest films dating back to 1980. Just remember that the distributor income was the method of tracking films instead of overall gross (revenue) before 2000.


Oh very cool. Can't find Akira. Thought it would be there.


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Surprised that TLK wont open above $1B. It's performing over BatB in all major markets except UK. Already broke records in some countries. The original was bigger tha BatB in Japan. Is it because of the talking animals (Jungle Book, Alvin and the Chipmunks)? Narnia was big


Narnia also had human characters. Even when you go back and look at the history of animated films, you'll find that those that feature talking animals (as their main cast of characters) have almost always disappointed in Japan. This is a key reason, besides the humor that just didn't translate, that Dreamworks Animation never really had a hit in the market.

The Lion King isn't disappointing like Dumbo or The Jungle Book, it just doesn't appear at the moment to be on the same level as other Disney live-action remakes (Alice, Beauty, Aladdin). And I say "at the moment" because it's very early to make this claim. It may not open as high as them, but it is opening right before a major holiday week, and if the reception is strong, it could turn things around. A lot of unknowns right now.


Does this make Zootopia the most successful talking animal movie in Japan? Other than Finding Nemo, I guess.


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I've noticed that wikipedia articles sometimes claim that pre-1997 Ghibli movies were the biggest movies of their given years in Japan. How do they know this, and are lists available for these given years? I'm interested in 1988, kind of.


Some were. Some weren't.

All the early Ghibli films (Nausicca of the Valley of the Wind, Castle in the Sky, My Neighbor Totoro, and Grave of the Fireflies) disappointed at the box-office, but they established Ghibli (and Miyazaki) as household names thereafter, and went on to become among the studio's most successful on home video and on TV broadcasts.

Kiki's Delivery Service was the #1 domestic film of 1989, but the third biggest overall.
Only Yesterday was the #1 domestic film of 1991, but the fifth biggest overall.
Porco Rosso was the #1 biggest film overall in 1992.
Pom Poco was the #1 biggest domestic film of 1994, but the third biggest overall.
Whisper of the Heart was the #1 biggest domestic film of 1995, but the seventh biggest overall.

You can check http://eiren.org/toukei/ to look at the list of biggest films dating back to 1980. Just remember that the distributor income was the method of tracking films instead of overall gross (revenue) before 2000.

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Surprised that TLK wont open above $1B. It's performing over BatB in all major markets except UK. Already broke records in some countries. The original was bigger tha BatB in Japan. Is it because of the talking animals (Jungle Book, Alvin and the Chipmunks)? Narnia was big


Narnia also had human characters. Even when you go back and look at the history of animated films, you'll find that those that feature talking animals (as their main cast of characters) have almost always disappointed in Japan. This is a key reason, besides the humor that just didn't translate, that Dreamworks Animation never really had a hit in the market.

The Lion King isn't disappointing like Dumbo or The Jungle Book, it just doesn't appear at the moment to be on the same level as other Disney live-action remakes (Alice, Beauty, Aladdin). And I say "at the moment" because it's very early to make this claim. It may not open as high as them, but it is opening right before a major holiday week, and if the reception is strong, it could turn things around. A lot of unknowns right now.

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After Jungle Book disappointed, I'll be happy with anything over ¥5 billion total for the Lion King.


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Surprised that TLK wont open above $1B. It's performing iver BatB in all major markets except UK. Already broke records in skme countries.

I'm not, even with its performance in South Korea.

Just didn't seem like something Japan would be obsessed with.


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I've noticed that wikipedia articles sometimes claim that pre-1997 Ghibli movies were the biggest movies of their given years in Japan. How do they know this, and are lists available for these given years? I'm interested in 1988, kind of.


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Surprised that TLK wont open above $1B. It's performing iver BatB in all major markets except UK. Already broke records in skme countries. The original was bigger tha BatB in Japan. Is it because of the talking animals (Jungle Book, Alvin and the Chipmunks)? Narnia was big


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Post Re: Japan Box Office: Weekend Actuals; Charts Updated! (08/0
Yeah I looked back at some of the charts and the last two movies opened on Saturday. It will be interesting to see where this one lands in terms of opening, I am rooting for the record of ¥1 billion openers in an year :thumbsup:


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The last three One Piece films have opened above ¥1 billion, but they all opened on Saturday. Stampede would easily open above ¥1 billion with a Saturday release (it's celebrating the anime's 20th anniversary, too), but the Friday release this time around could prevent it from doing so. There haven't been many cases of Friday openings affecting the weekend business too much since it became the standard last year, but it could in this case since it's a frontloaded franchise during the summer vacation (granted, One Piece's audience skews older anyway).

It appears on course to have the biggest Friday of the year so far.

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Isn't One Piece generally a HUGE opener with ¥1 billion potential? Though I guess with Friday opening it could prove to be a disadvantage but wasn't it the case in last two movies?


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That title will likely stay with 2015's Yo-Kai Watch: Great King Enma and the 5 Stories, Nyan!. It opened against Star Wars: The Force Awakens, but still opened above ¥1 billion. It was the first and only weekend in history to have two films open above ¥1 billion.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like The Lion King will be a huge opener (not ¥1 billion potential). Its early Friday ticket sales are fine, but they're definitely below Aladdin's. And its weekend ticket sales also look fine, but again, they don't look incredibly impressive at the moment, just fine/good.

And honestly, I'm not sure on what film will be #1 this weekend yet. One Piece Film Stampede will easily be #1 for Friday, but it could burn off enough demand today that may prevent it from opening at #1 over the weekend frame. It's still the favorite, but the franchise is frontloaded and this is the first one to open on a Friday. It's possible that The Lion King could still open at #1 if its backloaded. And Weathering With You is still in contention as well, I think, despite being in its fourth weekend since it should come in above ¥500 million, possibly even ¥600 million.

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Could The Lion King be the biggest opening to not debut at #1


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Pre-Obon Festival Daily Estimates (08/05-09)

08/05 (Monday)
¥189 million ($1.8 million), -19%, ¥6.097 billion ($56.6 million), Weathering With You (Day 18)
¥126 million ($1.2 million), -22%, ¥6.843 billion ($63.5 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 25)
¥108 million ($1.0 million), 0, ¥820 million ($7.7 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 04)
¥x60 million ($565,000), 0, ¥505 million ($4.8 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 04)
¥x58 million ($545,000), -10%, ¥834 million ($7.9 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 11)
¥x36 million ($340,000), -31%, ¥11.399 billion ($105.0 million), Aladdin (Day 60)
¥x35 million ($330,000), -22%, ¥2.065 billion ($19.1 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 25)
¥x35 million ($330,000), -49%, ¥902 million ($8.4 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 11)
¥x18 million ($170,000), -46%, ¥607 million ($5.6 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 11)
¥x10 million ($x95,000), +11%, ¥385 million ($3.6 million), Free! Road to the World - The Dream (Day 31)


08/06 (Tuesday)
¥166 million ($1.6 million), -18%, ¥6.263 billion ($58.2 million), Weathering With You (Day 19)
¥107 million ($1.0 million), -21%, ¥6.950 billion ($64.5 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 26)
¥x89 million ($840,000), 0, ¥909 million ($8.6 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 05)
¥x50 million ($475,000), -17%, ¥884 million ($8.3 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 12)
¥x42 million ($400,000), 0, ¥547 million ($5.2 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 05)
¥x38 million ($360,000), +676%, ¥1.282 billion ($12.1 million), Uta no Prince-sama The Movie: Maji LOVE Kingdom (Day 61)
¥x31 million ($295,000), -31%, ¥11.430 billion ($105.3 million), Aladdin (Day 61)
¥x30 million ($285,000), -22%, ¥2.095 billion ($19.4 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 26)
¥x30 million ($285,000), -47%, ¥932 million ($8.7 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 12)
¥x15 million ($140,000), -38%, ¥622 million ($5.7 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 12)


08/07 (Wednesday)
¥209 million ($2.0 million), -17%, ¥6.472 billion ($60.2 million), Weathering With You (Day 20)
¥152 million ($1.4 million), -20%, ¥7.102 billion ($65.9 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 27)
¥x91 million ($855,000), 0, ¥1.000 billion ($9.5 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 06)
¥x73 million ($690,000), -14%, ¥957 million ($9.0 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 13)
¥x47 million ($440,000), 0, ¥594 million ($5.6 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 06)
¥x46 million ($430,000), -31%, ¥11.476 billion ($105.7 million), Aladdin (Day 62)
¥x40 million ($375,000), -17%, ¥2.135 billion ($19.8 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 27)
¥x39 million ($365,000), -38%, ¥971 million ($9.1 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 13)
¥x30 million ($285,000), 0, ¥x30 million ($285,000), Bring the Soul: The Movie (NEW)
¥x18 million ($170,000), -35%, ¥640 million ($5.9 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 13)


08/08 (Thursday)
¥167 million ($1.6 million), -31%, ¥6.639 billion ($61.8 million), Weathering With You (Day 21)
¥109 million ($1.0 million), -36%, ¥7.211 billion ($66.9 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 28)
¥x75 million ($705,000), 0, ¥1.075 billion ($10.2 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 07)
¥x53 million ($500,000), -29%, ¥1.010 billion ($9.5 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 14)
¥x37 million ($350,000), -38%, ¥11.513 billion ($106.1 million), Aladdin (Day 63)
¥x35 million ($330,000), 0, ¥629 million ($5.9 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 07)
¥x31 million ($290,000), -25%, ¥2.166 billion ($20.1 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 28)
¥x30 million ($280,000), -44%, ¥1.001 billion ($9.4 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 14)
¥x27 million ($255,000), 0, ¥x57 million ($540,000), Bring the Soul: The Movie (Day 2)
¥x14 million ($130,000), -42%, ¥654 million ($6.1 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 14)


% changes versus same day last week.
Note: Thursday percentage declines adjusted to account for Aug. 1st (discount day) last week.

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Today's holds look bad because last Thursday was August 1st. The 1st of every month is national discount day across all major theater chains (40% off ticket prices). It's still a pretty good day though, basically on par with Tuesday's numbers across the board.

Toy Story 4 is losing ~35% of its seating on Friday. Not too bad. It'll enter Obon Festival with enough seats to take advantage of the holiday week.

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What is TS4's drop in seats?
With a pretty bad hold so far today they might be inclined to drop a lot of TS4 screenings.


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It's a good candidate. I doubt it competes for for the top spot, but a Top 10 ranking is certainly doable.

As for the weekend, One Piece Film Stampede is receiving the most seating on Friday, followed by The Lion King, and then Weathering With You (losing ~30/35% of its seating, which isn't bad against two big openers). One Piece is guaranteed to be huge out of the gate, so it's no surprise that most theaters are playing it on their biggest screens to begin. Depending on how the weekend plays out, I expect One Piece and The Lion King to be pretty close in terms of seating on Monday and throughout the Obon Festival holiday period, with Weathering With You being a close third.

And remember: more seating/biggest screens doesn't always result in a bigger opening weekend, just the potential of having one.

And I was expecting Aladdin to experience a likely collapse given Disney's release strategy in the market, but it's "only" losing 45/50% of its seating on Friday. This is high, of course, but it certainly could have been much higher (easily 60/70%+).

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Will this coming weekend be one of the biggest weekends ever?


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Pre-Obon Festival Daily Estimates (08/05-09)

08/05 (Monday)
¥189 million ($1.8 million), -19%, ¥6.097 billion ($56.6 million), Weathering With You (Day 18)
¥126 million ($1.2 million), -22%, ¥6.843 billion ($63.5 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 25)
¥108 million ($1.0 million), 0, ¥820 million ($7.7 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 04)
¥x60 million ($565,000), 0, ¥505 million ($4.8 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 04)
¥x58 million ($545,000), -10%, ¥834 million ($7.9 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 11)
¥x36 million ($340,000), -31%, ¥11.399 billion ($105.0 million), Aladdin (Day 60)
¥x35 million ($330,000), -22%, ¥2.065 billion ($19.1 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 25)
¥x35 million ($330,000), -49%, ¥902 million ($8.4 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 11)
¥x18 million ($170,000), -46%, ¥607 million ($5.6 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 11)
¥x10 million ($x95,000), +11%, ¥385 million ($3.6 million), Free! Road to the World - The Dream (Day 31)


08/06 (Tuesday)
¥166 million ($1.6 million), -18%, ¥6.263 billion ($58.2 million), Weathering With You (Day 19)
¥107 million ($1.0 million), -21%, ¥6.950 billion ($64.5 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 26)
¥x89 million ($840,000), 0, ¥909 million ($8.6 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 05)
¥x50 million ($475,000), -17%, ¥884 million ($8.3 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 12)
¥x42 million ($400,000), 0, ¥547 million ($5.2 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 05)
¥x38 million ($360,000), +676%, ¥1.282 billion ($12.1 million), Uta no Prince-sama The Movie: Maji LOVE Kingdom (Day 61)
¥x31 million ($295,000), -31%, ¥11.430 billion ($105.3 million), Aladdin (Day 61)
¥x30 million ($285,000), -22%, ¥2.095 billion ($19.4 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 26)
¥x30 million ($285,000), -47%, ¥932 million ($8.7 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 12)
¥x15 million ($140,000), -38%, ¥622 million ($5.7 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 12)


08/07 (Wednesday)
¥209 million ($2.0 million), -17%, ¥6.472 billion ($60.2 million), Weathering With You (Day 20)
¥152 million ($1.4 million), -20%, ¥7.102 billion ($65.9 million), Toy Story 4 (Day 27)
¥x91 million ($855,000), 0, ¥1.000 billion ($9.5 million), Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (Day 06)
¥x73 million ($690,000), -14%, ¥957 million ($9.0 million), The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Day 13)
¥x47 million ($440,000), 0, ¥594 million ($5.6 million), Dragon Quest: Your Story (Day 06)
¥x46 million ($430,000), -31%, ¥11.476 billion ($105.7 million), Aladdin (Day 62)
¥x40 million ($375,000), -17%, ¥2.135 billion ($19.8 million), Pokemon: Mewtwo Strikes Back - Evolution (Day 27)
¥x39 million ($365,000), -38%, ¥971 million ($9.1 million), The Great War of Archimedes (Day 13)
¥x30 million ($285,000), 0, ¥x30 million ($285,000), Bring the Soul: The Movie (NEW)
¥x18 million ($170,000), -35%, ¥640 million ($5.9 million), Kamen Rider Zi-O: Over Quartzer! (Day 13)


% changes versus same day last week.

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When I joined BO Theory Corpse already left. I see everyone said 'From Corpse From Corpse' before posting data so I'm wondering what is corpse? Do they get box office number from an actual dead body?


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I was at BOT for some time, but it just takes too long posting basically the same numbers (lists/charts) on two forums. It's a lot easier and faster for me to post everything here (thanks to using BBCode); highlighting, in particular, was very time consuming at BOT. Then the users there, some of which also post here from time to time, can just copy or link my posts.

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